The Star Citizen Thread v 4

[1500]

The PTU is not related to the Alpha Access was about. Keep repeating it will not make it true, the alpha access co-existed with the PTU.
The worth of what the alpha access and passes costed was returned to the backers in form of credits, the store money worth of them.

It is related to alpha access because CIG created it in order to limit the access to alpha by people that payed for it. Why else would you have a public test environment for a public test environment. NVM that the PTU is in fact an alpha build that is just restricted.

Like I said CIG did not return the alpha access worth, because they didn't refund any money.


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So we have assumed that the UEE number was the number of payed accounts, turns out that might not be true. According to Ben its the number of add on ships backers have purchased.


https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/comment/3194283/#Comment_3194283

I believe this is the number of (add on) ships in circulation.

But its Ben so we can't believe a word he says. Is kind of funny how the community manager (well used to be, or is now since they fired that person), is someone that you can't believe what they say, as its been shown he just makes things up. Well that's open development for you, hahahaha.


Anyway, so according to Disco Lando, the UEE number is also just the number of ships sold.

Spoiler

 

[MaxLexandre]

It is related to alpha access because CIG created it in order to limit the access to alpha by people that payed for it. Why else would you have a public test environment for a public test environment. NVM that the PTU is in fact an alpha build that is just restricted.

Like I said CIG did not return the alpha access worth, because they didn't refund any money.

That's un-related to the alpha access. The PTU is a TEST universe, there's games that are in Alpha stages, and they still have dev-branches, some public others by invitation where limited amounts of players test a release before it's publicly out for everybody.

They gave the worth on their return, if someone did NOT like it, then that person was free to send them one email with a Refund Request for it.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

That's un-related to the alpha access. The PTU is a TEST universe, there's games that are in Alpha stages, and they still have dev-branches, some public others by invitation where limited amounts of players test a release before it's publicly out for everybody.

They gave the worth on their return, if someone did NOT like it, then that person was free to send them one email with a Refund Request for it.

Isn't that just great invention,what is next PRE-PTU maybe?

 

[MaxLexandre]

Isn't that just great invention,what is next PRE-PTU maybe?

It is what is. If you really are that outraged by it, send them some angry emails or if you really think this is all crimes, then i recommend going to the police.

Otherwise, we can keep having this discussion forever.

 

[Ozram]

Lol, thx 4 the laugh. Nice conspiracy theory.

This is fact, not conspiracy. Alpha slots stopped selling a while ago but that's why they were there. Then there was beta with $5 access passes and then there is now.

 

[Cotic]

It is related to alpha access because CIG created it in order to limit the access to alpha by people that payed for it. Why else would you have a public test environment for a public test environment. NVM that the PTU is in fact an alpha build that is just restricted.

Like I said CIG did not return the alpha access worth, because they didn't refund any money.


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So we have assumed that the UEE number was the number of payed accounts, turns out that might not be true. According to Ben its the number of add on ships backers have purchased.


https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/comment/3194283/#Comment_3194283



But its Ben so we can't believe a word he says. Is kind of funny how the community manager (well used to be, or is now since they fired that person), is someone that you can't believe what they say, as its been shown he just makes things up. Well that's open development for you, hahahaha.


Anyway, so according to Disco Lando, the UEE number is also just the number of ships sold.

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/cdzDvjl.jpg

Wow, that changes things massively. So much napkin maths had been based on the UEE fleet number relating to individual AC enabled accounts. Now they're saying it doesn't relate to that at all and therefore it completely skews the average spent per person. Interesting, thanks for posting that.

 

[Ozram]

Is there any plan to introduce something that looks like mass and inertia to the movement of spaceships?

Sometimes they claim that's already in (though it's all xml cheats right now) and sometimes they claim it's comming with e current state being placeholders. In short, yes (that is what they claim). With ALL THINGS CIG remember this: "Subject to change".

 

[1500]

That's un-related to the alpha access. The PTU is a TEST universe, there's games that are in Alpha stages, and they still have dev-branches, some public others by invitation where limited amounts of players test a release before it's publicly out for everybody.

They gave the worth on their return, if someone did NOT like it, then that person was free to send them one email with a Refund Request for it.

Yep it is related to alpha access, you can keep trying to make up definitions, but its still access to an alpha build. CIG sold alpha access to the backers, heck my package still says alpha access. But because CIG only cared about the money and not player experience, they sold more alpha access then they could support. So they created the PTU in order to limit the number that has access.


Nope again, please stop giving out misinformation. CIG did not give its worth, that would require a refund. CIG did not do that. Instead they gave back credits, in order to keep peoples money.

Funny how you are free to send them a refund email, but CIG are also free to ignore it. Something they are currently doing.

 

[MaxLexandre]

Yep it is related to alpha access, you can keep trying to make up definitions, but its still access to an alpha build. CIG sold alpha access to the backers, heck my package still says alpha access. But because CIG only cared about the money and not player experience, they sold more alpha access then they could support. So they created the PTU in order to limit the number that has access.


Nope again, please stop giving out misinformation. CIG did not give its worth, that would require a refund. CIG did not do that. Instead they gave back credits, in order to keep peoples money.

Funny how you are free to send them a refund email, but CIG are also free to ignore it. Something they are currently doing.

It's not related to Alpha Access. Alpha Access was playing the modules that were released, PTU is a test-branch for testing and stabilizing releases before they would reach all the backers with the Alpha Access/Passes to it.

Not mis-information, they gave the worth on their return, if someone did NOT like it, then that person was free to send them one email with a Refund Request for it.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

It is what is. If you really are that outraged by it, send them some angry emails or if you really think this is all crimes, then i recommend going to the police.

Otherwise, we can keep having this discussion forever.

Well you see maybe I am the one of the guys who love's to be the judge and the jury if he catch the thief with the hand in his pocket...if you understand what I mean by that...

 

[Cotic]

It's not related to Alpha Access. Alpha Access was playing the modules that were released, PTU is a test-branch for testing and stabilizing releases before they would reach all the backers with the Alpha Access/Passes to it.

Not mis-information, they gave the worth on their return, if someone did NOT like it, then that person was free to send them one email with a Refund Request for it.

PTU can be classed as cutting edge branch alpha testing.
LIVE can be classed as stable branch alpha testing.
In FreeBSD parlance PTU = HEAD (major volatilty), LIVE = STABLE (non-volatile but still bugs) and RELEASE = RELEASE (rock solid).

 

[MaxLexandre]

A note on that, who had bought things like the AC Pass outside their package, could YES get a refund in real cash. Who got that pass including on the default starter package of the game, was locked to the Credits.

 

[1500]

It's not related to Alpha Access. Alpha Access was playing the modules that were released, PTU is a test-branch for testing and stabilizing releases before they would reach all the backers with the Alpha Access/Passes to it.

Not mis-information, they gave the worth on their return, if someone did NOT like it, then that person was free to send them one email with a Refund Request for it.

Why do you keep repeating incorrect information?

Last time as you seem to be suck in a loop.

People purchased alpha access, CIG then changed the deal, and created the PTU in order to get around having sold alpha access. Its as simple as that. Alpha is the definition of a test inviorment, there is no reason to create a test environment for a test environment. PAYING for alpha access was so that people could test the game, if CIG did not like the number of alpha backers, perhaps they should have not been so greedy and stopped selling them.


Again, they didn't give back anything, they just took the money and now claimed its applied to something else. Again you keep ignoring the fact that CIG are ignoring refund requests.

I also love how your response to a shady company is to just tell people to get refunds (when the companies official policy is to not give refunds, and currently just ignore the requests). And you have said its perfectly fine for CIG to be underhanded and lie to people in order to make money. Such a great company you are defending, and attacking people who are critical of it.

 

[MaxLexandre]

Well you see maybe I am the one of the guys who love's to be the judge and the jury if he catch the thief with the hand in his pocket...if you understand what I mean by that...

Well feel free to be so.

Why do you keep repeating incorrect information?

Last time as you seem to be suck in a loop.

People purchased alpha access, CIG then changed the deal, and created the PTU in order to get around having sold alpha access. Its as simple as that. Alpha is the definition of a test inviorment, there is no reason to create a test environment for a test environment. PAYING for alpha access was so that people could test the game, if CIG did not like the number of alpha backers, perhaps they should have not been so greedy and stopped selling them.


Again, they didn't give back anything, they just took the money and now claimed its applied to something else. Again you keep ignoring the fact that CIG are ignoring refund requests.

I also love how your response to a shady company is to just tell people to get refunds.

It's not related to Alpha Access. It's simple as that, one did not implied the other, both co-existed.

You're also ignoring that people who bought those passes outside their package could request refunds, so you have Proof that CIG ignored those refund requests?
Also the alternative to Game Credits, was actually USD$$ Cash Value Store Credit.

 

[1500]

Well feel free to be so.




It's not related to Alpha Access. It's simple as that, one did not implied the other, both co-existed.

You're also ignoring that people who bought those passes outside their package could request refunds, so you have Proof that CIG ignored those refund requests?
Also the alternative to Game Credits, was actually USD$$ Cash Value Store Credit.

Nope, I know you like to ignore CIG's history, but you do know that there was not always a PTU right?

So no they didn't both co-exist, CIG created the PTU after giving people real alpha accesses. They created the PTU in order to limit the number of people that had accesses to what they payed for. Well they got around that by removing alpha access from peoples accounts, but what ever.

Yep, I am proof that they are ignoring refund requests. I am just one of many who CIG are ignoring who have asked for a refund.

 

[MaxLexandre]

Nope, I know you like to ignore CIG's history, but you do know that there was not always a PTU right?

So no they didn't both co-exist, CIG created the PTU after giving people real alpha accesses. They created the PTU in order to limit the number of people that had accesses to what they payed for. Well they got around that by removing alpha access from peoples accounts, but what ever.

Yes, that's why it's not related to the Alpha Access, things changed when that changed. Alpha Access was the actual releases made, NOT test releases, PTU created the test releases and Alpha Backers still had access to their alpha because things do not stop being one Alpha after leaving it. AND they had the need to make test releases with limited and controlled conditions to help them track and find problems, what wouldn't work if they had to give access to every release to the huge number of 200K that scaled to 400K backers.

Then they aren't ignoring you, you're going trough what many are, a slow costumer support.

 

[Yaffle]

Okay folks

We're getting a bit worked up again in here, let's step back and breathe.

If you all insist on arguing then we'll close this for a cooldown. Again.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Well feel free to be so.




It's not related to Alpha Access. It's simple as that, one did not implied the other, both co-existed.

You're also ignoring that people who bought those passes outside their package could request refunds, so you have Proof that CIG ignored those refund requests?
Also the alternative to Game Credits, was actually USD$$ Cash Value Store Credit.

So now if CIG decide that from the next patch we will have PRE-PTU where they will send even smaller numbers of invitation to test things before they are ready for PTU release,you will be ok with that?

 

[ianw]

Yes, that's why it's not related to the Alpha Access, things changed when that changed. Alpha Access was the actual releases made, NOT test releases, PTU created the test releases and Alpha Backers still had access to their alpha because things do not stop being one Alpha after leaving it. AND they had the need to make test releases with limited and controlled conditions to help them track and find problems, what wouldn't work if they had to give access to every release to the huge number of 200K that scaled to 400K backers.

Then they aren't ignoring you, you're going trough what many are, a slow costumer support.

Seriously?

So how come they weren't selling PTU test releases as a pre-alpha test thing?

I mean it's not like them to miss a sales opportunity.

 

[MaxLexandre]

So now if CIG decide that from the next patch we will have PRE-PTU where they will send even smaller numbers of invitation to test things before they are ready for PTU release,you will be ok with that?

They have all the right to do so. A small group of people invited to work closely with the QA, under NDA, to get numbers to find and fix many breaking issues before it releases to many people on a -dev branch of a project, is not a first on the gaming industry, no, i have been there.