frustrated disabled alpha tester

You can make Win 8 look, and work, like Win 7 with Classic Shell - it gets good reports.

Works a treat, I use it myself. Loathe the tiled junk? It's missing (almost) entirely if you use Classic Shell, which is completely free. It makes Win8 basically like a faster version of Win7 with a few nicer features.
 

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Works a treat, I use it myself. Loathe the tiled junk? It's missing (almost) entirely if you use Classic Shell, which is completely free. It makes Win8 basically like a faster version of Win7 with a few nicer features.

I don't see the need to re-instate the Start Button, the universal search feature makes all menus redundant in Win8.X. Just type a few letters of your desired object name - programme, file, doc, etc - and there it is in a split second. Searching across desktop, NAS, cloud etc.

Having a Start Button slows down the workflow as you have to navigate menus which is much slower than typing say, "wor" and running Word. You also have to decide the type of entity you are looking for - app or file - and no functions are searched.

The other day I knew I wanted to run some sort of recording software, I just typed, "rec" and there were five solutions offered to me in a fraction of a second. Otherwise I'd have to painfully navigate the menu checking each branch of a fully populated machine for this ONE app.
 
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Thanks to the OP and Hellhawk I can now bind menu commands. I'm well chuffed. :)
I use TrackIR and I've discovered that I must be looking at the panel in order for the command sequence to work. Maybe everyone else knew this already but it stumped my intelligence level prior to reading.
 
I don't see the need to re-instate the Start Button, the universal search feature makes all menus redundant in Win8.X. Just type a few letters of your desired object name - programme, file, doc, etc - and there it is in a split second. Searching across desktop, NAS, cloud etc.

But but but! I'd have to use the keyboard! Move my left hand! What do you think I am, athletic?!1 And I'd have to know how to spell.

Seriously, I'm sure you're right, but my poor aged brain has become fossilised in its ways and I basically just can't be bothered to learn a new system. Yeah, lazy old man Barns. So shoot me. You probably will.
 
As I am also a start bar fossil I went with StartIsBack. Paid something like $3 and its amazing. 30 day free trial if anyone is interested.
 
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But but but! I'd have to use the keyboard! Move my left hand! What do you think I am, athletic?!1 And I'd have to know how to spell.

Seriously, I'm sure you're right, but my poor aged brain has become fossilised in its ways and I basically just can't be bothered to learn a new system. Yeah, lazy old man Barns. So shoot me. You probably will.

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Not at all, I do know entirely where you are coming from.

When I first got Win8, I immediately re-instated the Start Button with the Stardock software. Then my laptop crashed and I thought, "I shall not re-instate the Start Button on this rebuild, I shall work with the OS as it was intended". It took about two weeks to rewire my - also quite aging - brain, and I found I was working much smarter with the universal search feature. From then on, I completely u-turned and think that the lack of a Start Button is a brave step forward.

I have a Surface Pro and the Start Screen on that is awesome. I also bought my wife a new touch-screen laptop and it works very well there. So I suspect, as we see touch interfaces take over, lack of a Start Button will start to fall into place for people.

But, it's not a particularly big deal in the grand scheme of things and we all have our ways of working.
 
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Not at all, I do know entirely where you are coming from.

When I first got Win8, I immediately re-instated the Start Button with the Stardock software. Then my laptop crashed and I thought, "I shall not re-instate the Start Button on this rebuild, I shall work with the OS as it was intended". It took about two weeks to rewire my - also quite aging - brain, and I found I was working much smarter with the universal search feature. From then on, I completely u-turned and think that the lack of a Start Button is a brave step forward.

I have a Surface Pro and the Start Screen on that is awesome. I also bought my wife a new touch-screen laptop and it works very well there. So I suspect, as we see touch interfaces take over, lack of a Start Button will start to fall into place for people.

But, it's not a particularly big deal in the grand scheme of things and we all have our ways of working.

I think win8 is a quite good OS with a terrible GUI that sometimes creeps up. It may work well on touch devices, but I doubt touch interface will take over. So far it seems to be a very limited interface model for rich interactions, therefore unsuitable for things that go beyond launching software and consuming media.
 

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I think win8 is a quite good OS with a terrible GUI that sometimes creeps up. It may work well on touch devices, but I doubt touch interface will take over. So far it seems to be a very limited interface model for rich interactions, therefore unsuitable for things that go beyond launching software and consuming media.

It is true you will always revert to 'desktop' mode for generating anything. And that depends on the device. I may read and annotate a document on my Surface in tablet mode, but if I want to write a document I am going to attach the keyboard and break out Word, or better still sit at my desk with two 27" screens and a proper keyboard.

MS are a bit stuck though. On the one hand they cannot ditch their massive customer base who want to run full fat Windows apps but they are acutely aware that mobile devices are the future, or at least a large part of it, and they have been caught sleeping on the job by the likes of Apple!
 
Voice attack is what this whole thread is about, dude. It doesn't work without a voice recognition engine installed. Hence wanting one so it can work. Not sure what's so confusing about that.

OMG what a FAIL!!

I'll fail better this time ;)

I didn't realise that voice attack doesn't do the heavy lifting. I saw it's train your speech engine page, and assumed it directly trained command and control phrases. So I don't even know how you'd integrate it with another engine.

If your language is not supported, it's extraordinarily unlikely to find it in another recognition engine so you are stuck with using a supported language.

That could suggest that the language is dying out too, nothing to worry about for a generation or two though.

So have you tried changing the speech recognition language to one that is supported (in the control panel under 'speech recognition') ? Are there any options there?

You could try and install the downloadable XP MS SAPI engine

If not you will need to reinstall a supported language Windows version (sucks eh.. ).

Then like the man says, train it too your own voice a couple of times to improve accuracy.
 
The Home Premium version doesn't let you switch languages on the fly, so reinstalling with an English setting instead of my local indeed seems the only option if I want it working. Will consider if it's worth it. (I'm not disabled, but I can see value in the feature for various things, including Elite and other games).
 

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The Home Premium version doesn't let you switch languages on the fly, so reinstalling with an English setting instead of my local indeed seems the only option if I want it working. Will consider if it's worth it. (I'm not disabled, but I can see value in the feature for various things, including Elite and other games).

You could try this: http://www.sevenforums.com/general-...ndows-7-home-premium-oem-spanish-english.html

http://www.froggie.sk/

Win8 lets you change language packs on the fly, if you were thinking of a re-install anyway now might be the time to upgrade.
 
You could try this: http://www.sevenforums.com/general-...ndows-7-home-premium-oem-spanish-english.html

http://www.froggie.sk/

Win8 lets you change language packs on the fly, if you were thinking of a re-install anyway now might be the time to upgrade.
Thanks, but Vistalizer states it doesn't work with Home Premium and a few other versions of Windows 7. Already been there :)

Try Vistalizator - this tool allows you to change display language in Windows editions other than (officially supported) Ultimate, like Starter, Home Basic, Home Premium and Business/Professional.
 

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Thanks, but Vistalizer states it doesn't work with Home Premium and a few other versions of Windows 7. Already been there :)

Oh, sorry!

Thanks, but Vistalizer states it doesn't work with Home Premium and a few other versions of Windows 7. Already been there :)


But this chap says, "Solution: Download MS English language Pack (don't forget to check the MD5 hash), download Vistalizator. The language pack won't install by itself - probably because the OS isn't Ultimate or Enterprise, but launch vistalizator (it doesn't install, just runs) and open the language pack from there.
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Will look more into it when I get home, but I spend all evening yesterday trying to get my hands on language packs to no avail. As far as I can tell, the method I'm supposed to use to download a language pack is through Windows Update, but it doesn't offer me any language packs.
 

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Will look more into it when I get home, but I spend all evening yesterday trying to get my hands on language packs to no avail. As far as I can tell, the method I'm supposed to use to download a language pack is through Windows Update, but it doesn't offer me any language packs.

WinUpdate won't offer you any lang packs if you don't hold the right l license.

http://www.froggie.sk/7lp64sp1.html seems to host actual KBs however. I just downloaded one and it was a genuine Lang pack.

Sorry if you have tried all this.
 

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But this chap says, "Solution: Download MS English language Pack (don't forget to check the MD5 hash), download Vistalizator. The language pack won't install by itself - probably because the OS isn't Ultimate or Enterprise, but launch vistalizator (it doesn't install, just runs) and open the language pack from there.
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There is also this post (it's in the dutch language forums thread)

http://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?p=311502#post311502

but it basically says that Vistalizator can open every language pack and that his Voice Attack works fine using it.

Which is great 'cause I want to get Voice Attack, and also don't want to 'upgrade' to a new OS.

Maybe Rembrant - if asked nicely - would make an instruction set to get the systems working, seeing as he already has done it.
 
Well ****** me! I have just worked out why menu system wasn't working for me in the side panels! I didn't realise that the key to cycle through the menu options was Q and E But instead I have been using the left and right keys for which controls the options within the menus
It was just my misunderstanding what they meant by "cycle to next panel or cycle to previous panel" meant. I assumed it meant cycle through the various side panels so target panel, systems panel, radar panel

It was just a misunderstanding of terminology so I'm all sorted now for the rest of the game!

As I saidIn a previous post you guys had been awesome Trying to resolve my issues and I wouldn't have been able to do without you.

Anyway this thread can now be closed and laid to rest!

Thanks again to anyone who has posted in here!
 
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