Discussion Open Letter to Frontier Developments
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If a decent and correct trading log or history tracker would be included in the game this would be true. That's why we need the above add ons ... And a BIG thank you to all the above developers!
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So don't use it. Besides, not all of us who use these resources turn into billionaires overnight. And resources like these exist in our world for real-life things; why shouldn't the same be true for ED? Plus the situation is self-correcting: the route dries up when more people use it, so enterprising souls have to seek out new, uncharted routes to make loads of cash anyway.
Ever heard of the expression "nature abhors a vacuum?" The plain and simple fact is there's great demand for trade info and much more (CMDR stats, roleplaying, etc.) that the game currently does not provide. There will always be parties who rush to fill that void, and it only benefits FD and the player community at large to leverage this resource base into something that enriches the game.
Fair enough, I haven't read any more than the short stories that came with the original and that was years ago.
Guess that means there is even less arguments against the validity of such tools then!
wolverine2710
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Great to hear that!!
Connecting to the ZeroMQ firehose of EDDN is not that difficult but sending data to EDDN is simple (a normal http post request). It would be great if the data added by commanders using your website could also be submitted to EDDN. Together were are strong(er) ;-)
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Actually I'm directing my users to use the 'tool that we all know' to do updates and getting my updates via EDDN that way everyone connected to EDDN gets the data and it's correct. We cant rely on Elite OCR or manual updates being correct and most folks use the update tool now. If we get an official API then I'd certainly include something to post data from my site to the network for folks that don't want to use the other update tool.
Agreed. The API needs to be fleshed out even further from where it is now.
We could use additional data points:
- Traffic
-- Delayed commander locations would be cool and would help bounty hunters track down Open bounties.
- Coordinates
- Faction statuses and influence level
- Commodity history, for identifying trends
....and probably more
There is a lot of talk in this thread about how the game is meant to be and, to be clear, FD has not indicated one way or the other on this topic. Probably should just drop it after any opinion on the matter because further discussion on how it is meant to be is a pointless debate with no resolution.
My opinion, I want to see full support of the API and see that it is optimized to handle large call volumes. I don't think FD should try to "take over" and incorporate these tools into the game as I feel the community has really made some great stuff and want to see that to continue to grow and develop. I also like the idea that some players can choose not to ever use these tools and even pretend they don't exist for their own play style or RP reasons.
Disclaimer: I've donated to Elite Trading Tool and EDDN, so I am clearly biased in favor of the tools.
We could use additional data points:
- Traffic
-- Delayed commander locations would be cool and would help bounty hunters track down Open bounties.
- Coordinates
- Faction statuses and influence level
- Commodity history, for identifying trends
....and probably more
There is a lot of talk in this thread about how the game is meant to be and, to be clear, FD has not indicated one way or the other on this topic. Probably should just drop it after any opinion on the matter because further discussion on how it is meant to be is a pointless debate with no resolution.
My opinion, I want to see full support of the API and see that it is optimized to handle large call volumes. I don't think FD should try to "take over" and incorporate these tools into the game as I feel the community has really made some great stuff and want to see that to continue to grow and develop. I also like the idea that some players can choose not to ever use these tools and even pretend they don't exist for their own play style or RP reasons.
Disclaimer: I've donated to Elite Trading Tool and EDDN, so I am clearly biased in favor of the tools.
CHEATING? REALLY? It is all information found internally and on the player side. Players wishing to collate such information/statistics in line with the year 3301 have a right to expect basic information in a format suitable to their chosen revenue stream whether trading, mining, or bounty hunting. You pay for your game and play it the way you want and we'll pay for our game and play it the way we want. If you get a thrill out of remembering 200 systems and all their various ports and what they have and don't that's awesome. Many of us prefer to spend our time productively. I bounce around between BH and trading...my ship, in 3301, does not even provide some of the basic information found on a 757 of today. Frankly, I'd bet dollars to donuts if FD put this info in your ship computer like it should be...you'd be the first one using it. What...you are going to turn it off or ignore it and just fly 'blind' around the galaxy? I don't think so. The OP is saying if FD isn't going to, or isn't interested in providing this basic info then let community enthusiasts do it. WoW went through the same thing and finally caved with Cataclysm--incorporating may of the 3rd-party apps that had been around for ages. I love discovery, finding new things, etc. Honestly though, if I can't remember where something is and I make a 150LY mistake, I am going to be quite irritated when my computer should easily identify the correct location for a commodity, ship, or ship part. If you have not done so come check out INARA. It is a great, supportive community.
I find a lot more fun/immersive optimizing route search criteria in TradeDangerous.py than boucing between stations
writing down prices on a paper in hope of finding a good trade route. 3301 IT should at least match 2015 IT, just sayin'
To me the whole thing boils down to : "1984 Retrofuturism meet 2015"
And the worse of it : it's not even consistent. If galnet news where propagating slowly, then okay.
Why not add such tool ingame, and add the possibility to buy trade/exploration data from all systems in a X Lyr radius around your current location ?
writing down prices on a paper in hope of finding a good trade route. 3301 IT should at least match 2015 IT, just sayin'
To me the whole thing boils down to : "1984 Retrofuturism meet 2015"
And the worse of it : it's not even consistent. If galnet news where propagating slowly, then okay.
Why not add such tool ingame, and add the possibility to buy trade/exploration data from all systems in a X Lyr radius around your current location ?
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I think an app on my android that only aided me but not spelled everything out is the way to go.
There's a wide median line between being told everything and having past knowledge.
Like a dynamic tool that reflects and remembers what you've done, seen, sold mined and been.
I don't want a game buff app.
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InMemoriamSirocco
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In my opinion, commodity market data for each station should be accessible from the system map on a "last documented" basis, at least if trade data for this system is available at all (otherwise it needs to be purchased).
OP Yes I'm all for this. If third party's can work with ED all the better for them, ED and the Cmdrs.
It will still be up to each commander to choose to or not, use them. Depending on what time they can put into the game. Not all Cmdrs can spend weeks hunting down trade routes or want to.
It can only help and add to the main game.
e.g. When I'm not 'in-game' I would like an app to plan my routes/trading etc. Or play around with ship load outs/jump ranges etc.
It will still be up to each commander to choose to or not, use them. Depending on what time they can put into the game. Not all Cmdrs can spend weeks hunting down trade routes or want to.
It can only help and add to the main game.
e.g. When I'm not 'in-game' I would like an app to plan my routes/trading etc. Or play around with ship load outs/jump ranges etc.
I use Coriolis and EDDN all the time, part of the Sim for me, i also use Captains Log when i go on a big exploration mission i find these 3 indispensable, and quite frankly it makes it feel more like the 33 century, as if this info would not be available its the 33rd century people, banging all over the galaxy blind is just silly. i also hope FD can appreciate the value this brings to the Sim. most of this stuff should be part of Gal-net, and Gal-net should be available in ship in space. OR don't we have com systems in the 33rd century. - let your fingers do the walkin.
Not having all this info at your fingertips is unrealistic even in this century.
Not having all this info at your fingertips is unrealistic even in this century.
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ED without sites like Coriolis and EDDN is like me eating fish and chips without ketchup. Unthinkable.
I don't have time any more to scout around checking every potential trade route before committing to it. Who does? Even if I did have the time.....its not fun. That's one of the main reasons to play the game isn't it? Fun?
I'm amazed we don't have basic in-game tools by now, like bookmarked favourite systems and commodity price notes. I'm flying a spaceship, why should I be using pencil and paper (or for me, using Notepad) to take notes about trade routes and prices? Its immersion breaking.
+Rep for the OP, and thanks to the creators of the sites.
I don't have time any more to scout around checking every potential trade route before committing to it. Who does? Even if I did have the time.....its not fun. That's one of the main reasons to play the game isn't it? Fun?
I'm amazed we don't have basic in-game tools by now, like bookmarked favourite systems and commodity price notes. I'm flying a spaceship, why should I be using pencil and paper (or for me, using Notepad) to take notes about trade routes and prices? Its immersion breaking.
+Rep for the OP, and thanks to the creators of the sites.
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^^^This. Would it be too hard to make useful in-game tools for trading in between Power Play, CQC and Horizons updates?
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I believe this definition of cheat will flabbergast you.
"To take an examination or test in a dishonest way, as by improper access to answers."
Profitable trading can be considered a test of your trading skills and accessing trade prices outside of any tool provided by Frontier can be considered improper access to the answers to that test.
I don't consider it cheating but a statement like that just means you've failed to look at the topic from the other side or just refuse to accept that others do have a valid opinion.
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wolverine2710
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Slightly OT but needed for a post. I've forgotten how many star systems there are which have a civilization. I thought it was around 50K but I'm NOT sure - this is PRE Horizons. If someone could help me out that would be highly appreciated ;-)
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