The stupid "assault offense" bounties...

[d8veh]

I still think it's completely bonkers that all the system security ships release all hell on me when I absent-mindedly shoot on sight a Fer-De-Lance that I KNOW FOR A FACT has a bounty on it's head on a resource extraction site.

You need to practice a bit. It's no big deal. The Feds don't immediately turn on you. You have plenty of time to turn around and scoot off the field before they come after you - as long as you notice your transgression. It's simply a red card: go off the pitch for 8 minutes, then you can come back and carry on.

If you still can't handle the Feds, go to a Haz RES. No Feds there.

 

[Stygian]

I think everyone is missing the OP's point, and excuse my ignorance of previous discussions due to being new here, but isn't it more so not that they do immediately turn on you, but rather ever single one does. That is just non nonsensical and immersion breaking. I fired one stray shot in a shooting gallery so every cop in the precinct, all currently engaged elsewhere with more dangerous/,important things, drop what they are doing to punish me?

It would make much more sense for some to peal off from the current fight they are in and the others join when they are done with their current target.

Or is this confirmed as too hard to code by FD or too easy for players to game so the "lazy" method is used?

 

[Laste]

I was pounding on a 250000 anaconda when i clipped a security eagle with a laser. I released the hounds of war and had 5 security on me instantly. The only thing saved me was a hardened python,chafe and boost. I was in a rock field so i had to get clear of the mass. whew

 

[Ghosty]

It's not that it's hard to deal with, it just delays you which is mildly annoying. Honestly I was just checking if other people think of this as a problem in gameplay.

Guess not.

Oh yes this is a problem!

It's a pirate, no matter if you scan it or not. The scan should only be to determine the details: faction allegiance and the hight of the bounty. I've had quite a few moments where a pirate was attacking a miner in an RES. I stick around the miners because they atract pirates like flies.
The pirate ship starts shooting the miner and out of reflex I shoot the pirate, but the ship wasn't scanned yet: BOUNTY.

Now, it was only a 300 cr bounty that lasts what.. 10 minutes? But enough for the system security to unleash all hell on me. Anaconadas, vipers, etc etc. It's only a 300 cr bounty! calm your arses down! But no.

But it get's better!
So I was just doing some bounty hunting in an HRES. Good money to be made. I see some pirate - miner fight going on in the distance but was too late to save the miner (damn slow Anaconda). The pirate had about 10% health left and decided it was a good idea to start scanning my Anaconda.

Unfortunately, since the 1.5 of 2.0 update (I don't know whic one causes it but please fix this, FD), NPC's tend ram you a lot. They don't brake in time and fly straight towards you.

So this idiot NPC flies up to me and before I get a chance to scan him, he rams me and explodes!
TO WHICH I GET A 6000 CREDIT BOUNTY THAT LASTS 6 DAYS! For the MURDER of some idiot, unscanned, pirate. It's a pirate, don't care if he's scanned or not. HE crashed into me yet I'm to blame?

Seriously, this game mechanic can sod off.

 

[CMDR Loki Di-Pietro]

What makes even less sense to me is how you can still pick up these fines in a haz res?
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After all when you arrive you are greeted by the words:
System link error: security response unavailable
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Personally I think what goes on in a Haz Res should stay in a Haz Res.

THIS is a good point!

 

[JohnnyGatt]

I don't mind the fine but let me land a pay it. I don't get the shoot to kill order and the week long Wanted crap. having to go pay the $400 credit fine is a annoying as it is but Wanted DEAD for a week is just dumb. I'm not a pirate, I'm a bounty hunter and the have to scan first crap even if your target is attacking a clean target so is 100% wanted can wast time needed to save the poor miners. Help us Save the Miners! Remove the bounty for hitting wanted targets that are not yet scanned! If I kill a clean target I deserve a bounty but not if I'm trying to save a clean target or if some fool fly's between me and my target and my guns hit them. Bounty's need to be for clean target kills only!

 

[jay3141592]

But unless you get blown up by someone who collects the bounty, that only makes your bounty dormant. Get scanned by system authority where you have that dormant bounty and it will come back with a reset timer. Seems fine to me.

Sure. I meant: take an insured sidewinder from another system, fly to the system where you got that bounty - dormant or not - and get yourself blown up by a system authority vessel. (I flew to a station and just shot my gun once within the no firezone.) All bounties gone. It's the easiest/fastest way.

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I don't mind the fine but let me land a pay it. I don't get the shoot to kill order and the week long Wanted crap. having to go pay the $400 credit fine is a annoying as it is but Wanted DEAD for a week is just dumb. I'm not a pirate, I'm a bounty hunter and the have to scan first crap even if your target is attacking a clean target so is 100% wanted can wast time needed to save the poor miners. Help us Save the Miners! Remove the bounty for hitting wanted targets that are not yet scanned! If I kill a clean target I deserve a bounty but not if I'm trying to save a clean target or if some fool fly's between me and my target and my guns hit them. Bounty's need to be for clean target kills only!

I'd rather take a 5-10% hit to my collected bounties rather than a 10 minute enforced break. That 10 minute break means I end up closing Elite and doing something else.

 

[Krait_79]

Look, can we just get rid of the idea that shooting without a scan automatically gets a bounty on your head regardless whether your target was wanted or not? I mean sure, the scan only takes like 5 seconds, but I still think it's completely bonkers that all the system security ships release all hell on me when I absent-mindedly shoot on sight a Fer-De-Lance that I KNOW FOR A FACT has a bounty on it's head on a resource extraction site.

I know other people have died because of it and I know they have also complained about it. Some would even go out of their way to think it's a randomly occurring glitch so could we just dispose of it?

So you made a mistake and rather than learning from it you would rather the game have yet another safety net!

 

[d8veh]

What makes even less sense to me is how you can still pick up these fines in a haz res?
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After all when you arrive you are greeted by the words:
System link error: security response unavailable
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Personally I think what goes on in a Haz Res should stay in a Haz Res.

THIS is a good point!

It's not a good point. You have to obey the law. Don't confuse Haz RES with an anarchy system. If you want to avoid these penalties, go to an anarchy system and do your bounty hunting there.

 

[Calaban]

Shooting at something that you have not confirmed as wanted is. A. Crime. Its wild an irresponsible gunfire- you might as well be labeled a wild gunman firing randomly into a crowd.

"Maybe he was wanted, maybe he wasn't, but I fired lethal rounds anyway before I could make sure" will land you in prison (or worse) anywhere.

Heck it wont even count when hunting: "I heard a bush rustle, so I shot!- oops I shot and killed Bob."

 

[SirAdelaide]

What makes even less sense to me is how you can still pick up these fines in a haz res?
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After all when you arrive you are greeted by the words:
System link error: security response unavailable
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Personally I think what goes on in a Haz Res should stay in a Haz Res.

So... how is it that you are collecting bounties for the guys you kill?

 

[eza]

What makes even less sense to me is how you can still pick up these fines in a haz res?
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After all when you arrive you are greeted by the words:
System link error: security response unavailable
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Personally I think what goes on in a Haz Res should stay in a Haz Res.

Yeah when I first went into a haz-RES I understood that to mean that the 'report crimes against me' function wouldn't work because of there being a system link error.

I quickly discovered this assumption to be wrong.

But these daily threads from people who can't shoot straight are so easily worked around: simply only go to haz-RESes.
Why would you go to any other? There are police in the other ones, and the bounties are lower, and the NPCs there don't provide a challenge to anyone unless it's their first time playing elite and they're in a stock sidewinder...
In a haz-RES you can shoot anyone you want and no cop or bounty hunter will show up to do anything about it, so what's the problem?

 

[Laste]

"I heard a bush rustle, so I shot!- oops I shot and killed Bob."

So that WAS you. 6000 dollar bounty. Get out of this forum for 6 days. Go to Mac discussion, you'll be safe there.

 

[smiths121]

I would not got to a Haz Res site with a stock Sidewinder, I might go to a Hi Res site though. I need the police to take the shields down of the big guys so my pulse lasers have a chance!

Just saying.

Simon

Yeah when I first went into a haz-RES I understood that to mean that the 'report crimes against me' function wouldn't work because of there being a system link error.

I quickly discovered this assumption to be wrong.

But these daily threads from people who can't shoot straight are so easily worked around: simply only go to haz-RESes.
Why would you go to any other? There are police in the other ones, and the bounties are lower, and the NPCs there don't provide a challenge to anyone unless it's their first time playing elite and they're in a stock sidewinder...
In a haz-RES you can shoot anyone you want and no cop or bounty hunter will show up to do anything about it, so what's the problem?

 

[eza]

I would not got to a Haz Res site with a stock Sidewinder, I might go to a Hi Res site though. I need the police to take the shields down of the big guys so my pulse lasers have a chance!

Just saying.

Simon

Sorry, I worded that badly: I meant that the only reason not to go to a hazardous one would be if you were flying a stock sidewinder and you had just started playing.

In a haz-RES, the biggest and baddest NPC pirate wing ends up being the police of that RES... You can attack their targets if you want some help taking down a big hull, and they won't turn on you for attacking a clean ship either

 

[GunnerBill]

So... how is it that you are collecting bounties for the guys you kill?

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Well none of it makes sense really.
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What is a system link error? To me it sounds like a kind of comm's error.
So how does that prevent the Police from turning up? Because crime reports are not sent or received they don't know to come. This being the case then how does a player become "wanted" (if no crime report is sent or received)?
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As for how is it you get the bounties. I don't know. Using a KWS must access some kind of central database, so perhaps this. Perhaps the bounty system is separate to the crime reporting system.
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Really I have no problem with being wanted as such so I defo do not need the old "don't go there if you can't handle it" routine.
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It's just that the whole scenario described by the OP makes little sense to me
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It would perhaps make more sense if the arrival message read:
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"No Security Response - all crimes are logged." etc.

 

[EDbubba]

... system security ships release all hell on me when I absent-mindedly shoot on sight a Fer-De-Lance that I KNOW FOR A FACT has a bounty on it's head on a resource extraction site.

Hazardous Extraction sites, problem solved, along with better bounties. (NPCs could care less if you have a bounty or are currently wanted in-system, and are kind enough to scan your ship to show intent even before you scan them...)

 

[DefiledDragon]

I think they should just get rid of the 5 second delay tbh. I've just worked out that I've spent nearly 5 hours in the game just waiting for that scan to return and tell me my target is wanted. 5 fkin hours!

 

[vernonator]

You need to practice a bit. It's no big deal. The Feds don't immediately turn on you. You have plenty of time to turn around and scoot off the field before they come after you - as long as you notice your transgression. It's simply a red card: go off the pitch for 8 minutes, then you can come back and carry on.

If you still can't handle the Feds, go to a Haz RES. No Feds there.

Going to disagree with you here - newbie player, in a RES in my slightly upgraded sidewinder. Good guy flew RIGHT into my laser as I pushed fire (was attacking a Python I think) - ALL 4 of the system defense eagles dropped their attack on the Python and targeted me. I was dead before I could even hit boost. Almost made me quit the game - stupidest logic I have ever seen in a game, really bad. Drop your attack on someone with a 10k bounty to attack me and my 200cr bounty...yeah great.

 

[d8veh]

Yeah when I first went into a haz-RES I understood that to mean that the 'report crimes against me' function wouldn't work because of there being a system link error.

I quickly discovered this assumption to be wrong.

The "report crimes against me" works anywhere as long as you have it switched on. All it does is alert any nearby Feds to the fact that someone has shot at you so that they might come along and help you. There's no Feds in a Haz RES, so they won't help you, neither are then any in an anarchy system. That function has nothing to do with crimes that you commit.

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I would not got to a Haz Res site with a stock Sidewinder, I might go to a Hi Res site though. I need the police to take the shields down of the big guys so my pulse lasers have a chance!

Just saying.

Simon

You're just as safe in a Haz RES as any of the others, if not safer. Nobody will shoot you, but there's plenty of other ships shooting each other. At least you don't get suicide Feds there.