Is Elite Dangerous a Dad's Game Played mainly by "non-gamers"?

[Salami]

you did pirate me and I had no problem with it.

I feel the same.
Well, that is: I can relate to piracy, but griefers?
In the starter system, my very first ship, first thing i did: eradicate cargo bay.
Take off, hit SC... fly a wee... interdiction.
Not a clue what to do, this CMDR got me, blew me away, scfreen: you got killed by CMDR blahblah, you know the window, right?
So, back in my ship, take off, and this is where it gets annoying, an interdiction, getting killed by CMDR anothername in, from sitting in my tiny noob shippie, a rather big fighter ship.

I made a post, was having one after the other of these, mostly NPC's, which I could actually deal with, but them big dipper CMDRs?

Some people went there to sort things out, and i got, and i am grateful to the one responding with that info, into systems much further, and above all, calmer.
I do not like griefers, really.

Maybe they were not even actual griefers, but a wing thinking: let's take on some noobs, have some fun...?
who knows...

 

[Dbrn47]

What an odd post... Why does anyone care to label the game or the players with such things in the first place?

Dadgame? Gamergame? I only have expletives for this idea.

I'm 32 and have enjoyed many games from different genres. From Mario to Dark Souls, from Legend of Zelda to Baldur's Gate, from Bejeweled to Battlefield. It doesn't matter, if it seems interesting, fun or relaxing to me at the time, I play it. I have a soft spot for RPGs and Space games so I'll generally at least look at a game if it's within the genre or setting. This game is both enjoyable and boring at the same time, the game will get better with age and content and that's really all there is to say about it anymore. There's no label needed, no reason to make things up for the sake of putting people or things into categories.

 

[DaveB]

AAAAH< role play as it should be, MAGNIFICENT.
Can we do this?

JK jk...

Athough... possibilities.... HMMMMMMM....

BTW, I was once a FERVENT role player (Pen and paper/DIcE role play, as well as LARP).
Such memories... AAAAHHHHH...

Back in the day, i was like 17 or so, we were playing a LARP, in LONDON!
Vampire the Masquerade, in which i was a Nosferatu.
And i mean: VAMPIRE!
We had make up, clothes (rented, costed us 4 arms, 9 legs and a head (thankfully, we had plenty a body laying around/read: we had this REALLY rich friend), and we took off to London.
People were SO shocked.
And we?
AAH, we felt everything was as it should be. XD
The days... the memories...

+rep for this, simply because so was I - dice and paper, LARP and later english civil war re-enactment with toys that actually DID go "boom"

 

[Salami]

What an odd post... Why does anyone care to label the game or the players with such things in the first place?

Well, they (the writers) are humans.
Humans label.
If label name not suffices, invent other labelname and label the label name.
Preferably put it in a caste, or in a box, which we then can label with the relabeled label that etcetera.

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+rep for this, simply because so was I - dice and paper, LARP and later english civil war re-enactment with toys that actually DID go "boom"

AAAH the sheer marvel of it. XD
Well, I did find out that i was VERY poor at flying...
Not that I was LARPing at that moment, still.
Wuttheheckisthatforvampirism...

Noob (at myself)

For the record, Dave, what RP's have you done?
I was HEAVILY into Earthdawn (FASA), Warhammer (non-40k/non-tabletop) (and I adored Realms of chaos), Call of Cthulu, Shadowrun, 5 Circles, D&d, AD&D, Eye of the Master, ...
To name a few.

 

[TMB1979]

I am a father. I play Elite Dangerous. QED - Elite Dangerous is a dad's game.

However, by the same specious reasoning, one could argue that Elite Dangerous is a 12 year old boy's game, a 40 year old woman's game, or a one armed dyslexic german rastafarian's game. I just need to find to find out if there are any one armed dyslexic german rastafarians out there playing Elite Dangerous.

 

[Salami]

I am a father. I play Elite Dangerous. QED - Elite Dangerous is a dad's game.

However, by the same specious reasoning, one could argue that Elite Dangerous is a 12 year old boy's game, a 40 year old woman's game, or a one armed dyslexic german rastafarian's game. I just need to find to find out if there are any one armed dyslexic german rastafarians out there playing Elite Dangerous.

Yes, but they are Gnomes.

 

[TMB1979]

Yes, but they are Gnomes.

Achtung Mon! Ja-Wohl or Ja-Rule?

 

[Theta Sigma]

Is Elite Dangerous a Dad's Game Played mainly by "non-gamers"?

This is the impression I get and I think it's a big problem for ED.

Is this thread of 480+ comments in less than 24 hours based upon a likely troll post?

This is the impression I get and I think the OP's 'concern' over it being "a big problem" is perhaps only a big problem for the OP and not so much anyone else ;-)

I am a father. I play Elite Dangerous. QED - Elite Dangerous is a dad's game.

However, by the same specious reasoning, one could argue that Elite Dangerous is a 12 year old boy's game, a 40 year old woman's game, or a one armed dyslexic german rastafarian's game. I just need to find to find out if there are any one armed dyslexic german rastafarians out there playing Elite Dangerous.

+1 rep for the objective voice of reason, TMB1979

 

[Salami]

The wohl one.

 

[Colonel Kenney]

E is for the etymologist and stamp collector. Someone who could observe the same thing over and over and over and over again and be completely happy.

They could go to one system and study the colors and orbit of one planet for a week even though there is literally no data to gather or anything meaningful to glean from anything other than the system map.

I'm willing to place a bet that soon you will see some of these people actually probably topographically map some moons out and make a website or something dedicated to it.. .

You have the biggest fans creating complicated and extremely detailed support programs and websites.

I'll give you a really good example.

I used to go to "star parties" quite a bit. Where astronomers would gather for a week of camping and observing. It was fun to a certain degree but then you'd see how happy some of these people would be at literally staring at the same object for hours on end (no ccd camera). Where I would like to take a visual tour of many objects. After 5 nights of looking at the same exact objects it got old. I really wanted a bigger telescope to see more detail, record more findings. But these people were still happy observing the same objects all week!! You literally you need people that ENJOY cataloging and recording these sorts of things.

People like true astronomers will be happy to count and name stars. Literally.

To you and I - this is mundane and UN FUN. TO them its great. I've heard astronomers talking about extremely mundane topics all night long that had seriously no scientific significance at all or furthered the advancement of anything. They literally could write books on the doppler effect they calculated on one particular star that was exactly like another one and like another one AND they are happy to do it.

ED has no depth but the potential for it. It tries to be complex and dumb at the same time.

So the problem is - we have these sorts of people making this game. They can't remove the lense of their reality and look at what is really fun out there. Chris Roberts has the right idea but he also has 100 million dollars.

I've said it a dozen times.. if I could take the best of both Chris and David and put them into 1 person we'd have a game everyone would be happy with.

Conclusion = yes.. non-gamers really enjoy this in the sense of modern day gaming. Those of us who like the blending of real games and some pure education are having a really hard time loving this game.

 

[Arjin]

ED could also be construed as a dad only thing for which they sell little blue pills for... just saying..

In the end the point is moot. Does it really matter who plays, how old they are?

 

[AJW]

Dear developers. Your game appeals to people of all ages. Please fix this...

 

[Salami]

You literally you need people that ENJOY cataloging and recording these sorts of things.

And i respect them, I REALLY do.
But once I try to look at the moon for more than 2.02 seconds, I feel my IQ drop by ten points/sec at a time.
And that will last for 16.3 seconds until brain flatlines.
I CANNOT do this...
These folks have patience beyond patience, and then some.
I on the other hand...

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ED could also be construed as a dad only thing for which they sell little blue pills for... just saying..

In the end the point is moot. Does it really matter who plays, how old they are?

You forgot the red one, Neo.
Remember the RED one.

 

[DaveB]

ED isn't <insert category name> game. But it genuinely isn't for everybody. It has aspects of what appeals to a huge spectrum of gamers, but isn't perfect for all of them either. For some it really, truly, just "doesn't do it". A friend of mine tried it after hearing me talk about it, loved the graphics, loved the game structure, loved the huge galaxy-wide playing field but still quit the game after a few days. The deal-breaker for him? The flight model. He couldn't deal with the nerfed yaw axis in a space game. It was just too much of an immersion breaker for him. That's regrettable but it's still ok. It's ok not to like the game and to quit playing it if you don't find it fun. Deriding it as being <reference previous category name> or its players as <perjorative of choice> isn't.

 

[Salami]

It has it's good points, but lacks others (IMHO that is)...

 

[Arjin]

And i respect them, I REALLY do.
But once I try to look at the moon for more than 2.02 seconds, I feel my IQ drop by ten points/sec at a time.
And that will last for 16.3 seconds until brain flatlines.
I CANNOT do this...
These folks have patience beyond patience, and then some.
I on the other hand...

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You forgot the red one, Neo.
Remember the RED one.

Naw red one gives me a headache E

ED isn't <insert category name> game. But it genuinely isn't for everybody. It has aspects of what appeals to a huge spectrum of gamers, but isn't perfect for all of them either. For some it really, truly, just "doesn't do it". A friend of mine tried it after hearing me talk about it, loved the graphics, loved the game structure, loved the huge galaxy-wide playing field but still quit the game after a few days. The deal-breaker for him? The flight model. He couldn't deal with the nerfed yaw axis in a space game. It was just too much of an immersion breaker for him. That's regrettable but it's still ok. It's ok not to like the game and to quit playing it if you don't find it fun. Deriding it as being <reference previous category name> or its players as <perjorative of choice> isn't.

There is truth here, my 12 year old daughter was just dying to play Elite, she got all into space again, busted out the telescope etc. So I bought a sidey for her to play with and she lasted all of 5 days playing, why you ask... bored....

To each is own, the game is what you make it out to be, given that we have little sand in our sandbox you as a player have to add in the rest, until if/when they add more sand.

 

[JeffRyan]

E is for the etymologist and stamp collector. Someone who could observe the same thing over and over and over and over again and be completely happy.

They could go to one system and study the colors and orbit of one planet for a week even though there is literally no data to gather or anything meaningful to glean from anything other than the system map.

I'm willing to place a bet that soon you will see some of these people actually probably topographically map some moons out and make a website or something dedicated to it.. .

You have the biggest fans creating complicated and extremely detailed support programs and websites.

I'll give you a really good example.

I used to go to "star parties" quite a bit. Where astronomers would gather for a week of camping and observing. It was fun to a certain degree but then you'd see how happy some of these people would be at literally staring at the same object for hours on end (no ccd camera). Where I would like to take a visual tour of many objects. After 5 nights of looking at the same exact objects it got old. I really wanted a bigger telescope to see more detail, record more findings. But these people were still happy observing the same objects all week!! You literally you need people that ENJOY cataloging and recording these sorts of things.

People like true astronomers will be happy to count and name stars. Literally.

To you and I - this is mundane and UN FUN. TO them its great. I've heard astronomers talking about extremely mundane topics all night long that had seriously no scientific significance at all or furthered the advancement of anything. They literally could write books on the doppler effect they calculated on one particular star that was exactly like another one and like another one AND they are happy to do it.

ED has no depth but the potential for it. It tries to be complex and dumb at the same time.

So the problem is - we have these sorts of people making this game. They can't remove the lense of their reality and look at what is really fun out there. Chris Roberts has the right idea but he also has 100 million dollars.

I've said it a dozen times.. if I could take the best of both Chris and David and put them into 1 person we'd have a game everyone would be happy with.

Conclusion = yes.. non-gamers really enjoy this in the sense of modern day gaming. Those of us who like the blending of real games and some pure education are having a really hard time loving this game.

Yet... have nothing better to do than hang out on the forums of a game they despise racking up hundreds of posts doing so... to each their own!

 

[Salami]

until if/when they add more sand.

More. MOAR, FAR MOAR BEER... uuuuh...

 

[nexxo]

OK, at this point I feel compelled to point out that Dad is the hardcore gamer. We played the first Pong console. We played the first Battlezone, the first Pacman, the first Star Wars (the one you could sit in). We played on the first Atari 2600 game consoles and all the subsequent classic games consoles: the Intellivision, the Colecovision, the Sega Megadrive, the Nintendo. We've played on machines you have never even heard of. We've played classics you don't even know about.

We assembled the first Apple I's in our shed, copied lines of code from a games mag into our VIC20. We played Manic Miner and Ant Attack on the Spectrum, Impossible Mission and Encounter on the C64, and Mercenary and yes, ELITE on the BBC Micro. We played games on the Atari ST and Amiga, and we were responsible for the PC becoming a games machine rather than an office tool.

Just like all the classic rock, prog and pop music worth playing was discovered by us, played by us and shaped by us, we pretty much made computer games history. Non-gamers? We're the gamers, sonny. The wellspring. The originals. The founders. So a bit more respect for your dads.

 

[Theta Sigma]

Yet... have nothing better to do than hang out on the forums of a game they despise racking up hundreds of posts doing so... to each their own!

^ This.

So. Very. Much. This.