General / Off-Topic Atheist Goverments - The sword of reason
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If you think your own reference through for a bit, it makes sense
A religious dictator with a socialist regime perhaps?
If you think your own reference through for a bit, it makes sense
Well, I guess I didn't connect the socialist regime, because I wouldn't call it that, but that's what he advocated as indeed.
Subtle.
What happened to these multiple layers of information! The BGS will never be the same in my eyes now!
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Well, then everyone should be an atheist, because every time that god dies, we get Clippers with no rank requirements.
Here is a blurp about Van Maneen's Star from Frontier: First Encounters menu:
Guardians of the Free Spirit
The Guardians of the Free Spirit are an isola-
tionist religious sect who believe in maximum hardship. They live underground
on several planets of the system of van Maanen’s Star [0,1], which was given
to the sect by the Federation in 2480. They have outlawed a huge amount of
goods, in the belief that they are offensive in the eyes of God. It is illegal to
visit the system without a permit.
Two suggestions
Either start a group, apply for a minor faction and write up they are Militant Atheists or
Find an existing unclaimed minor faction adopt it and write up the lore.
Further to my previous post
Alliance, Federation and various independent factions were noted as celebrating Christmas but it was noted as more a celebration of consumerism and mass consumprion than religion in the 3300 Dec Galnet
The Empire on the other hand has made New Years day Empire Day.
Apos; what is wrong with Alliance Dictatorships?
The FFE manual stated that any Alliance members need to abide by the Alliance declaration of human rights, so just because they have a President for life or what ever doesn't mean they have a poor human rights record.
Either start a group, apply for a minor faction and write up they are Militant Atheists or
Find an existing unclaimed minor faction adopt it and write up the lore.
Further to my previous post
Alliance, Federation and various independent factions were noted as celebrating Christmas but it was noted as more a celebration of consumerism and mass consumprion than religion in the 3300 Dec Galnet
The Empire on the other hand has made New Years day Empire Day.
Apos; what is wrong with Alliance Dictatorships?
The FFE manual stated that any Alliance members need to abide by the Alliance declaration of human rights, so just because they have a President for life or what ever doesn't mean they have a poor human rights record.
I know.
But I also want to have more sources to be able to demonstrate it. It's one year now and we still get some dirt thrown our way for their existence. The accusation is baseless, yes, but I'd like the reply to have more substance.
Contrary to all the 40k memes people post, The Emperor is neither deified in life or dead in the Empire of Achenar
a) wrong lore
b) Kill the slaves of the false god! Blood for the blood god! Skulls for the skull throne!
I would say that, if you want a "militant atheist" faction, you'll have to make up a name for one yourself (perhaps the "Richard Dawkins Society"?) and apply to have it included in the next round of player factions. But you'll still have to decide which, if any, of the pre-existing government types you want it to be called. "Theocracy" wouldn't really fit, though in-game would probably be the most logical - you'd have to write up a paragraph for them to place on the system info page on the starmap, explaining that your "religion" is actually an anti-religion; "Communist" wouldn't be ideal either, since it's entirely possible to be atheist and not communist. You might have to settle for "Dictatorship".
While Elite is traditionally religiously neutral, the old FE2 lore books tended to poke fun at religions in general, in a Douglas-Adams-style way. Have a read of the FE2 Gazetteer entry for the Arexack system for an example. I should perhaps point out that this particular Gazetteer article was written to explain the existence of a procedurally-generated "civil war" planet with an economy that declared everything illegal except basic foodstuffs, Battle Weapons and Luxuries. These days, if you go to Arexack, there's nothing there out of the ordinary and no theocratic factions, just the normal Federation-democracy-type factions.
Lore-wise, there isn't really a reason for anyone to be "militant" in their religious beliefs any more. World War III nearly destroyed the planet in the mid 21st century and seems to have dulled religious fervour across the board, replacing it with corporate loyalty as it was the corporations, not the religious groups, that helped put the Earth back together again once the radioactive dust settled. And anyone with extreme religious views (or anyone being persecuted for being a religious minority) could just get on a spaceship, fly out to the middle of nowhere and found a religious isolationist colony.
While Elite is traditionally religiously neutral, the old FE2 lore books tended to poke fun at religions in general, in a Douglas-Adams-style way. Have a read of the FE2 Gazetteer entry for the Arexack system for an example. I should perhaps point out that this particular Gazetteer article was written to explain the existence of a procedurally-generated "civil war" planet with an economy that declared everything illegal except basic foodstuffs, Battle Weapons and Luxuries. These days, if you go to Arexack, there's nothing there out of the ordinary and no theocratic factions, just the normal Federation-democracy-type factions.
Lore-wise, there isn't really a reason for anyone to be "militant" in their religious beliefs any more. World War III nearly destroyed the planet in the mid 21st century and seems to have dulled religious fervour across the board, replacing it with corporate loyalty as it was the corporations, not the religious groups, that helped put the Earth back together again once the radioactive dust settled. And anyone with extreme religious views (or anyone being persecuted for being a religious minority) could just get on a spaceship, fly out to the middle of nowhere and found a religious isolationist colony.
It's entirely possible to be communist and not atheist either. Communism is a practical ideology, in my view, in contrast to something like Marxism, which is also an anti-religious ideology..
The FFE Journals also had a few "odd" religious sect mentioned included a Gnostolic Antipope leader of Gnostolic Anti-Faith (Yes Gnostolic not Gnostic)
SACRED PINNACLE VANISHES
J.J.
Speculation was running rampant throughout the Galaxy today as news filtered through of the sudden disappearance of the Holy Pinnacle of KumByar from its mountain on Peter's Eden, Arexack. Violent and acrimonious attacks have broken out between the two different cult factions of the Church of KumByar - known colloquially as the Hairies and the Hairless - each accusing the other of kidnapping the two kilometre-high pinnacle and concealing it for purposes of secret worship.
GRAHAMHURST STILL STANDING
J.J.
Order has finally been restored at Grahamhurst University, Cooperworld (Amiay) after three weeks of intense fighting between factions of the Theological Inventorial Inquisition. The Pan-nuministic Research Establishment is now in process of reconstruction and the incendiary fires which consumed the Senate House, lecture halls and refectories are successfully extinguished.
The Federal Theological Synod has for long been the annual scene of bitter recrimination and in-fighting between antipathetical galactic religions but this year, the uninvited arrival of Decius Torqumadoc the Gnostolic Antipope, sparked off demonstrations of unparalleled ferocity. Moreover the presence of a squadron of the FSS designed to damp down ill-feeling was judged to have exacerbated it. Admiral Bentley is now recovering back at Alpha.
The Synod was declared officially dissolved by its president, His Warmth, Frank Seely-Smythe, the Archmitre of the Church of Love, Extila and the application of the Gnostolic anti-faith to be included in the Synodic Inventory was unanimously accepted.
ARCHBISHOP IN MARRIAGE COUNCIL
J.J.
His Uxoriousness, the Archbishop of the Polygamous Branch of the Isagogic Theodicy, Ruden Beale-Xebub, has found himself in hot water recently now rumours of his unrevealed celibacy have been leaked to Federal news agencies. Archbishop Ruden, whose luxurious Palace at Consort, Cooperworld (Aymiay) was once featured in our 'Glorious Domiciles' series, is at present under inquisition by the Marriage Guidance Counsellors of the Hymeneal Church.
Reports suggest that the forty nine wives Beale-Xebub was accredited with, have, under questioning, confessed their status as friends, relations and servants to the Archbishop and all deny any form of marital acquaintance with the prelate.
It is thought that if prolonged celibacy on the part of Beale-Xebub is proved, he will be liable to the most sever defrocking afforded by the Preceptual Banns of the Hymeneal religion.
The last Theodicic cleric to be caught shirking his religious duties in this scandalous way is said to have been subjected to the re-educative Rite of Multiple Betrothal, though it is speculated that Archbishop Ruden may issue a plea of Deranged Impotence in mitigation.
J.J.
Speculation was running rampant throughout the Galaxy today as news filtered through of the sudden disappearance of the Holy Pinnacle of KumByar from its mountain on Peter's Eden, Arexack. Violent and acrimonious attacks have broken out between the two different cult factions of the Church of KumByar - known colloquially as the Hairies and the Hairless - each accusing the other of kidnapping the two kilometre-high pinnacle and concealing it for purposes of secret worship.
GRAHAMHURST STILL STANDING
J.J.
Order has finally been restored at Grahamhurst University, Cooperworld (Amiay) after three weeks of intense fighting between factions of the Theological Inventorial Inquisition. The Pan-nuministic Research Establishment is now in process of reconstruction and the incendiary fires which consumed the Senate House, lecture halls and refectories are successfully extinguished.
The Federal Theological Synod has for long been the annual scene of bitter recrimination and in-fighting between antipathetical galactic religions but this year, the uninvited arrival of Decius Torqumadoc the Gnostolic Antipope, sparked off demonstrations of unparalleled ferocity. Moreover the presence of a squadron of the FSS designed to damp down ill-feeling was judged to have exacerbated it. Admiral Bentley is now recovering back at Alpha.
The Synod was declared officially dissolved by its president, His Warmth, Frank Seely-Smythe, the Archmitre of the Church of Love, Extila and the application of the Gnostolic anti-faith to be included in the Synodic Inventory was unanimously accepted.
ARCHBISHOP IN MARRIAGE COUNCIL
J.J.
His Uxoriousness, the Archbishop of the Polygamous Branch of the Isagogic Theodicy, Ruden Beale-Xebub, has found himself in hot water recently now rumours of his unrevealed celibacy have been leaked to Federal news agencies. Archbishop Ruden, whose luxurious Palace at Consort, Cooperworld (Aymiay) was once featured in our 'Glorious Domiciles' series, is at present under inquisition by the Marriage Guidance Counsellors of the Hymeneal Church.
Reports suggest that the forty nine wives Beale-Xebub was accredited with, have, under questioning, confessed their status as friends, relations and servants to the Archbishop and all deny any form of marital acquaintance with the prelate.
It is thought that if prolonged celibacy on the part of Beale-Xebub is proved, he will be liable to the most sever defrocking afforded by the Preceptual Banns of the Hymeneal religion.
The last Theodicic cleric to be caught shirking his religious duties in this scandalous way is said to have been subjected to the re-educative Rite of Multiple Betrothal, though it is speculated that Archbishop Ruden may issue a plea of Deranged Impotence in mitigation.
I have not looked in to if any of these Religions have made it to ED as Minor Factions and now being at work are unable to do so.
As for the existing minors factions, no need to be restricted.
None of them bar Theocracies make any mention of religion so any of them could fall anywhere on the Atheist, Secularist, Pluralist, Moralist continuum
Atheist society? Didn't you say that you want a place where reason shines?
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If the stars fall down on me,
And the sun refused to shine,
Then may the shackles be undone,
May all the old words cease to rhyme,
If the sky turned into stone,
It will matter not at all,
For there is no heaven in the sky,
Hell does not wait for our downfall!
Let the voice of reason shine,
Let the friars vanish for all time,
God's face is hidden, all unseen,
You can't ask him,
What it all means,
He was never on your side,
God was never on your side,
Let right or wrong alone decide,
God was never on your side.
See ten thousand ministries,
See the holy, righteous dogs,
They claim to heal,
But all they do is steal,
Abuse your faith,
Cheat and rob,
If god is wise,
Why is he still,
When these false prophets,
Call him friend,
Why is he silent,
Is he blind?!
Are we abandoned in the end?
Let the sword of reason shine,
Let us be free of prayer and shrine,
God's face is hidden, turned way,
He never has a word to say,
He was never on your side,
God was never on your side,
Let right or wrong alone decide!
God was never on your side!
No, no, no!
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are there any militant theists?
D4, 5 required to pass.
According to alioth.net, looks like there were before, the100thmonkey posted a link:
And it looks like The Sublime Order of Van Maanen's Star needs help in a crusade: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=128672
I can't find any references to counter this theism, not even older game versions. Looks like creating a faction is the only option.
Unless I cant see the shine for all the stars.
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Oh just spotted this thread - I remember smuggling luxuries in FFE!
I sort of assume most systems separate religion from government type. Whether the people of the society are free to practise any particular religion or not is probably not actually covered.
The exception to this is theocracy where religion and government type are tied and one would guess there is less religious tolerance. So strange as it might sound, I would actually model atheist as a theocracy as the purpose is to ensure the people are taught and follow a prescribed set of learnings, in this case godless as opposed to our normal understanding of a theocracy.
My 2 cents.
Simon
I sort of assume most systems separate religion from government type. Whether the people of the society are free to practise any particular religion or not is probably not actually covered.
The exception to this is theocracy where religion and government type are tied and one would guess there is less religious tolerance. So strange as it might sound, I would actually model atheist as a theocracy as the purpose is to ensure the people are taught and follow a prescribed set of learnings, in this case godless as opposed to our normal understanding of a theocracy.
My 2 cents.
Simon
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