UAs, Barnacles & More Thread 5 - The Canonn

[Jorge]

I wonder, if in all the excitement over barnacles, we're not going off track. There are no missions to retrieve barnacles, but there are missions to retrieve meta-alloys. Barnacles are 'associated with' meta-alloys - not co-terminus with them. So perhaps we should concentrate more on the meta-alloys?

A few considerations come to mind:

1) We know the meta-alloys are formed organically. By definition, that means with carbon present. If we assume meta-alloys are formed locally, that means planets where carbon is present. It's notable from the materials database https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...-eF1HH2xQ-_aUgSfSJna6mTuLs/edit#gid=653759739 that metal-rich planets are inclined not to have carbon. It's perhaps worth always checking that carbon is present among the materials on a surface before investing too much time...

2) Missions are to retrieve and bring back meta-alloys. So they are obviously not 'materials' (which cannot be transferred). There is, so far as we know, only one way of collecting items for transport and that is by the cargo scoop (which limpets also use). There are only -as far as we know - only two classes of 'stuff' that we can pick up: a) canisters b)mining fragments.

3) It seems highly probable, therefore, that meta-alloys will be discovered in one or other form. On planetary surfaces this implies either from a wreck (canisters) or from an automated mining outpost (fragments). Despite the abundance of tea and gold, I would suggest it worth looking at every canister you can find on a wreck site. Equally I suggest zapping every auto-miner on an outpost. Even if the first four produce only bauxite or coltan, that's no reason to desist from the rest. You may strike lucky. (An no one ever said that meta-alloys were to be found on the surface.)

4) Personally, I think looking for green lights from 4km height is a waste of time. The meta-alloys (maybe combined with UA) will lead us towards the barnacles - that seems to be the path FDev is setting us on.

5) If (as seems likely) a POI with meta-alloys is persistent, a way of saving time is to stop in front of one, log off and back on. If it is still there, it is likely designed to be present across all instances.

Well, Michael Brookes' comments towards the end of thread 4 were about barnacles being likely to be found in nebulae, not meta-alloys. So it seems like if the executive producer of FD takes the time to come to the forums and mention where to go find barnacles, that would be as much "the path FDev is setting us on", as you say, as the meta-alloys may be.

Not meant to sound confrontational, even though I realise if probably reads like that. The meta-alloys are in an in-game mission, so it's fairly obvious FD wants us to look for those as well. I just don't think we are going off-track by searching for barnacles (which, according to the in-game description of meta-alloys, are associated with barnacles anyway).

Edit: Also, regarding your 4th point, we still don't know for sure if the green glowing things are barnacles. I know I keep repeating this, so people may be surprised when I say that I actually think they are most likely barnacles. But I also think it's important that we keep in mind we don't have confirmation of that yet.

 

[kreegr]

I've made a start on it now. I'll throw up a link a little later on when I get it tidy enough. What sort of info do people want to record about the planets?
I'm going to integrate Materials surveying with it to help other players in the area, but what else?

It'd be great to have a row for each landfall planet/moon, along with maybe columns for things like

- gravity
- planet/moon type
- which CMDRs have surveyed (mostly just relevant to see which landfall planets/moons aren't getting enough attention)
- any materials found there (sounds helpful!)

…that's it maybe?

 

[Atrox Lux]

Regarding the Horizons Trailer footage. The trailer tells the stories of 3 sets of Srvs.

Apologies if this has been covered before. It's a big thread.

I never viewed this info as relevant until I found out that the Pleiades was the place to search.

The "story" to watch belongs to the twin srvs. Like the other srvs, the twins are on the same respective planet (almost) the entire time, including during the Type 9 derelict and "big green thing" shots. . The twins are consistently seen on a world with a yellow K type (or similar) star. Grey/brown ground and dark grey shiny metallic type rocks. Possible metal content of 30% or less.
The star is also quite close indicating a very high temperature.

The other srvs "stories" are set on an ice world and a rocky (very low metal content) world.

There are quite a few systems in, or close to, the Pleiades that are yellow stars with varying degrees of metal content and planets in close orbit, often tidally locked.

This is by no means a definitive solution, just an aid to narrow the search. Watch the trailer and you will see the 3 consistent stories, which only seem to deviate at the very end. I am also aware that artistic license has been used and non-gameplay footage.

Watch the trailer and make up your own mind. This may help, it may not.

PS. I have encountered a POI (human tea fort) that did not show up on the scanner. At all! Only visual.
Two POI registered either side of me on the scanner and it didn't (in front). I hope this was a glitch.

I also hope that the barnacles are only exceedingly rare in the galaxy as a whole and not in the certain part of space, where they should be common. If the spawn rate has been set too low, they will near impossible to find.

 

[RonkerZ]

It'd be great to have a row for each landfall planet/moon, along with maybe columns for things like

- gravity
- planet/moon type
- which CMDRs have surveyed (mostly just relevant to see which landfall planets/moons aren't getting enough attention)
- any materials found there (sounds helpful!)

…that's it maybe?

Also Tidally locked or not could be something to add on the list.

 

[VPR]

I've just taken System Map shots of 16 systems in the Pleiades Nebula.
I surveyed them back in June last year so all I had to do was go to them in Galaxy Map.
People can use these as the basis of a planetary index?

Taygeta

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/l10HxSw.jpg

I spent 2 hours on Taygeta 4 (Metal Rich - 3.5 G) last night and found no barnacles or meta-alloys.

I assume where we are on the planet doesn't matter as MB didn't elude to the type of terrain or area of the planet in his clues?

 

[squiggsy]

No problem Squiggsy! Scientific method is all about the process of finding evidence to disprove somebody's theory (or evidence for that theory); a good scientist will even try to disprove their own theory...
However I think the first point you raise is too weak, since if the UAs have some intelligence - they must have since they scan & recognise the ships &/or systems/planets & transmit that info in Morse (N.B. however it could be AI rather than evolved intelligence - there is no evidence for either of those possibilities) so it is conceivable that they could have learnt Morse for themselves. There is also since (as you say) Morse is a human invention (for communication over limited bandwidth circuits) a possibility that UAs could have a human historic origin-either from the Missing Generation settlements, or from INRA bioengineering research. Someone else recently raised a valid argument that the fact that UAs are only recently discovered argues against them being Thargoid, since Thargoids shared technology with humans in the past, so this suggests that "Unknown Artefacts" would actually be "Known Thargoid Artefacts" if that were their origin; we would recognise the UA technology as Thargoid if not the actual "device". So I still think UAs represent a (basic) intelligent lifeform migrating around the galaxy doing its own thing & trying to spawn to reproduce.

The second point is also a bit weak for me, as the UAs are pointing towards Merope, not Pleione.

I am not saying Thargoids are NOT involved with UAs (either historically or currently) or in the game, but I can't see any evidence strong enough (at the moment) to support that hypothesis; but I do object fairly strongly (as I posted) to assertions which include me when I don't subscribe to them.

Good analysis, and I definitely agree with most points. I swing between "may well be thargoid" and "almost definitely not thargoid" quite often though I must admit. I made a counter to the "we'd recognize their technology" back in the last thread, 50 years is a long time and we did not communicate with the entirety of the Thargoid race, I would also doubt whether they showed us everything. It's a common trope in Sci-fi to find a species technology instantly recognizable and distinct, but this is not necessarily the case, different groups of the same race may develop different technology, technology developed in secret may not carry many of the hallmarks of that races usual products, etc.
Also while the UA's done point to Pleione they have been found there in Pre-Shell times.
I still agree they are tenuous links, but I would just still argue they are links nonetheless.

I find the "biological tech developed by the descendants of a generation ship" most interesting personally, but there is no evidence for that. Most likely you are right, they are probably the product of some other alien race, one theory I have is they are a different race to the barnacles but completely related in that they are warning us of the barnacles spread and cordoning off the area in an attempt to protect us, and yet we've just gone and smacked a space station right in the middle of it!

 

[AlSki]

1. Can anyone confirm but I've just been onto GalNet to find the location of Palin's base, but it looks as if it may been removed, theres no mention of the CG at all. (Searched back to mid Nov, when there is the CG for Obsidian Orbital. Dec 9th particularly strange).
2. Its already been said but,

My assistant, Socha Korbemile, insists that we will find large barnacles in the Pleiades,

ROFL Assistant!!

 

[Han_Zen]

I've just taken System Map shots of 16 systems in the Pleiades Nebula.
I surveyed them back in June last year so all I had to do was go to them in Galaxy Map.
People can use these as the basis of a planetary index?

Imgur album: http://imgur.com/a/4ET0Q

Alcyone

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/c7XA6Eo.jpg

Asterope

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/YmPK42j.jpg

Atlas

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/pLQ3MVa.jpg

Celaeno

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/Mn5Ac7S.jpg

Electra

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/uLQksRI.jpg

HIP 17862

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/ggwe8hC.jpg

HIP 17892

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/ItJrMsQ.jpg

HR 1172

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/TZjVRrl.jpg

HR 1183

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/BfIIooT.jpg

HR 1185

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/dKBpnyD.jpg

Maia

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/sWC42Wv.jpg

Merope

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/P8LNzYo.jpg

Pleione

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/zNgrB6N.jpg

Sterope II

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/5q2pp5W.jpg

Taygeta

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/l10HxSw.jpg

18 Tauri

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/Zy3HBGf.jpg

Perfect. Front page link for this post.

 

[Lumpus]

@Panzertard, I posted your thoughts earlier on the last thread see below...

I am going to put some effort into this tonight, I have an idea on how to "Read the rings" and hopefully extrapolate into Co-ordinates
If your about I will let you know if I find anything ..o7
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We don't need any more hints, we need hard work.
Some "Old time" Canonn team may have rage quit..... and some may already be back with new identities as we had to hide them from the Tharogoids
We are all Missing something............
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in the name of open science which is Canonn policy, Panzer noted something last night that needs further investigation.
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When you view a planet in the system map you see it represented as a sphere with squares, longitude and latitude. Easy enough
Zoom out a little and you see "Rings" around the planet
Look closely they are broken rings, and look like "...-----..-----" is Morse encoded in the rings ????
Then rotate and tilt the planet, you can either get rid of the rings OR get loads of rings !!!
Keep following .....
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If you get loads of rings and each ring contained Morse for a set of co-ordinates ???????
could this be the key to pin pointing a SSI (Site of Scientific Interest) aka "Barnacles"
How many rings needed for a fix ? 4 maybe ?
Haw many rings can you get ?
Working in RL today and will be testing theory tonight, In the mean time Sub Commander Outspan should be in game later
and on the hunt, she has a habit of finding things
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Fly safe commanders and fly with Patience...o7

ok so while at lunch, i swooped home and had a look at three planets in the galmap, one in electra, two in merope, looking for the morse. i don't think there is anything to be found there. SPOILER ALERT I'M NOT A MORSE PRO DUDE-GUY lol

all three planets had the same "signature", from what I could tell, all of the rings around the planets look the same for each. inside the rings, there is only one bit that really looks close to morse "-.--.-.-" and the others were all different sizes, another reason i think there is nothing to be found here. other rings had dashes of varying length, so trying to decipher morse is.......idk, i don't think it's morse.

please science this with a large stick and make sure, but that's my report for now. will try to follow over the weekend, but going out of town.

good luck

 

[simulacrae]

Wow new thread 10 pages in.... This is hopping these days

Didn't get far on mapping last night. I do like the black hole angle so am focusing on black hole systems first I think.

 

[markmatt]

side note, i also noticed that the galnet news blurbe that was submitted by canonn just popped up on my galnet news feed. well done. i also noticed that it didnt no mention at the bottom or anything that it was cmdr submitted. interesting.

 

[squiggsy]

Perfect. Front page link for this post.

It's missing planets from some of the systems (I posted a corrected HR 1185), but once that is ratified yes this is definitely the kind of thing that needs to be in the main post!

side note, i also noticed that the galnet news blurbe that was submitted by canonn just popped up on my galnet news feed. well done. i also noticed that it didnt no mention at the bottom or anything that it was cmdr submitted. interesting.

On the browser based one it does indeed say "Commander Lord Zoltan" at the bottom (it always entertains me, "Commander Lord" sounds like such a high and mighty title... well, I guess we are his minions after all )

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Well, Michael Brookes' comments towards the end of thread 4 were about barnacles being likely to be found in nebulae, not meta-alloys. So it seems like if the executive producer of FD takes the time to come to the forums and mention where to go find barnacles, that would be as much "the path FDev is setting us on", as you say, as the meta-alloys may be.

Not meant to sound confrontational, even though I realise if probably reads like that. The meta-alloys are in an in-game mission, so it's fairly obvious FD wants us to look for those as well. I just don't think we are going off-track by searching for barnacles (which, according to the in-game description of meta-alloys, are associated with barnacles anyway).

Edit: Also, regarding your 4th point, we still don't know for sure if the green glowing things are barnacles. I know I keep repeating this, so people may be surprised when I say that I actually think they are most likely barnacles. But I also think it's important that we keep in mind we don't have confirmation of that yet.

Yet again, you raise some valid arguments & I can't give you any rep (+1 on account!)

 

[simulacrae]

I've just taken System Map shotsg of 16 systems in the Pleiades Nebula.
I surveyed them back in June last year so all I had to do was go to them in Galaxy Map.
People can use these as the basis of a planetary index?

Nice ! Great idea

 

[dangerzone]

Just out of curiosity; Are the barnacles POI's specifically, or can they be bumped upon during normal surface searching?

We've been given a great clue as to where to look - I can't help but feel very disheartened by the fact that our searchable area is a hundred+ million sq km. This is a lot of landmass to search and we know roughly where to be although it's now straw in a haystack of needles. Each little nip will cut you, drawing blood from your life force.

For what it's worth, I've spent a few hours on Merope 3C (I think - around 4kls from entry) and ran into lots of gold, lots of tea, narcotics and battle weapons from crashed ships and odd bases set up around tea canisters. No barnacles though.

On the plus side, it's pretty (lonely) out here.

 

[Zenith]

I had so much fun there, they are T Tauri White/Blue stars with rings
Definitely the most interesting system I've ever been in, I had fun searching around there for a while, it's definitely worth a look, it was the place Free Floater UA's were found the most back in 1.3

That isn't the complete system map though, I'm firing the game up now to find it and double check I am right and that I'm not just thinking of a different place. Will update momentarily.

OK here is HR 1185 in its entirety:
View attachment 93377

Good spot. I honestly thought I'd full ADS scanned EVERY Pleiades system. I'm sure I did, but there's this "Unexplored" tag on systems people have previously visited, so I don't know.

It'd be great to have a row for each landfall planet/moon, along with maybe columns for things like

- gravity
- planet/moon type
- which CMDRs have surveyed (mostly just relevant to see which landfall planets/moons aren't getting enough attention)
- any materials found there (sounds helpful!)

…that's it maybe?

Good call, I'll make sure that's on it.

Also Tidally locked or not could be something to add on the list.

Don't see why not.

I spent 2 hours on Taygeta 4 (Metal Rich - 3.5 G) last night and found no barnacles or meta-alloys.

I assume where we are on the planet doesn't matter as MB didn't elude to the type of terrain or area of the planet in his clues?

I'll see if I can pre-populate that planet for you. Thank you.

It's missing planets from some of the systems (I posted a corrected HR 1185), but once that is ratified yes this is definitely the kind of thing that needs to be in the main post!

Absolutely. Hold off on putting it front page until we can get someone else to verify.

 

[Jorge]

Yet again, you raise some valid arguments & I can't give you any rep (+1 on account!)

Thanks. It's the thought that counts

 

[Poy]

Theory: The UA, once dropped in the "atmosphere" of a planet will point towards a barnacle if one exists.
(if you wish to test this theory, know that it will fall towards the planet, so either bring a cargo limpet or prepare to go fast)

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

I made a counter to the "we'd recognize their technology" back in the last thread, 50 years is a long time and we did not communicate with the entirety of the Thargoid race, I would also doubt whether they showed us everything. It's a common trope in Sci-fi to find a species technology instantly recognizable and distinct, but this is not necessarily the case, different groups of the same race may develop different technology, technology developed in secret may not carry many of the hallmarks of that races usual products, etc.

You make some very strong points there!

I find the "biological tech developed by the descendants of a generation ship" most interesting personally, but there is no evidence for that. Most likely you are right, they are probably the product of some other alien race, one theory I have is they are a different race to the barnacles but completely related in that they are warning us of the barnacles spread and cordoning off the area in an attempt to protect us, and yet we've just gone and smacked a space station right in the middle of it!

I don't see any threat in the spread of the UAs. I think it was suggested a while ago that their Morse signal contains the "Navigational Hazard" TTT warning so that is a good indication that they are not intentionally dangerous, & any corrosion damage they may cause is unintentional - if we hadn't collected them in our ships & transported them to stations there would be no problem. On the contrary my theory is that this spread is necessary so that we will be able to reap the harvest of meta-alloys for future science/engineering improvements.

What we really need of course is facts. But applying proper scientific method with testable hypotheses should allow us to make progress.

And that's going to be my last post for today. Having waded today since breakfast, through some 50 pages of this & the previous thread , at the expense of game time, I need a rest!

 

[Patau82]

On the browser based one it does indeed say "Commander Lord Zoltan" at the bottom (it always entertains me, "Commander Lord" sounds like such a high and mighty title... well, I guess we are his minions after all )

Group photo

Lord Zoltan, Dr.Arcononn and the rest of the canonn