General / Off-Topic Atheist Goverments - The sword of reason

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Faith, or lack thereof, is a deeply personal thing and I firmly believe that no one has the right to tell others what they may or may not believe in when it comes to that.
Ramen! Err, I mean Hail Eris!
I personally put militant atheists on the same level as militant theist, there's no difference betwixt the two when you get down to it, both attempt to force you to believe what they believe and nothing else is acceptable. Pray tell me, how is there any difference in someone telling me that there is no god at the point of a gun from someone telling me that their god is the one true god at the point of a gun? There is none that I can see, their messages may have different content, but they both demand that I believe what they believe, nothing else, OR else.
Which seems more likely?
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As for the existence of such a minor faction in the game, most likely there are some, and they would be listed as a Theocratic government type, as atheism IS a religion, despite that fact driving it's adherents up the wall.
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Some people just can't seem to understand that some other people have no religion. It's like they think that a religion is a nationality, or a gender or something - absolutely EVERYONE MUST have one, just because.
Atheism is the rejection/lack/absence of religion(s).
Atheism is a religion like bald is a hair colour.
If religion was a gas, you would only be able to land on atheist planets.
 
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2 things :)

Atheism is a religion? Are we getting enough oxygen in between the arguing?

There are more atheist factions in the game than theocratic ones. Namely, every faction which is not involved in religion. Atheism doesn't have to be outspoken to be atheism. It's simple lack of theism.

Atheism is a religion. Oh well, it brought a smile to my face waking up :)

If religion was a gas, you would only be able to land on atheist planets.
Ha, another chuckle, excellent.
 
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Ahem, look no further than Jim Jones.

He... was an atheist. And he had a cult. And he killed everyone in his cult with cyanide poisoning and murdered a congressman and other people.

It was a VERY freaky cult, too. But make no mistake, he himself said he was an atheist.

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It is a religion unto itself. Like it or not. Deal with it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones
He may have said he was an atheist, but he started a religious cult.
Jonestown was where Jones began his belief in what he called "Translation", where he and his followers would all die together and move to another planet and live blissfully.
Woo-merchants don't HAVE to believe the woo they peddle, they just need to appear to believe it to the faithful.
 
North Korea is a democratic country.

Make no mistake, they are. They themselves say so. It's called the Democratic People's Republic after all.

So it's a democracy. Like it or not. Deal with it!

edit: Oh, and Bill did not have sex with that woman :) He said so.
 
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I don't think we're going to see any explicitly atheist governments in the game. The trouble with atheist organisations is that organising atheists is a bit like herding cats.
How can people be united by something they don't have in common?
 
I don't think we're going to see any explicitly atheist governments in the game. The trouble with atheist organisations is that organising atheists is a bit like herding cats.
How can people be united by something they don't have in common?

Atheism is not enough as a foundation for a government.
Atheism as a single property can only be effective if the goal is very narrow and specific: to form an opposition against theism.
The subject of atheism is theism... the absurdity of it, the irrationality of it, the dangers of it.
 
I don't think we're going to see any explicitly atheist governments in the game. The trouble with atheist organisations is that organising atheists is a bit like herding cats.
How can people be united by something they don't have in common?

It just removes an alibi for stirring an "us vs them" collectivism effect on the populace really. In terms of government actions, I'd say it changes little.

After all, it's not like holy wars weren't for resources and territory. The average soldier just didn't know it.
 
Really cant see why this thread is being allowed to continue as it has nothing to do with the OP.

Like every other 'religious debate' everyone has retreated to their entrenched position and proceeding to lob hand grenades each other from their position of ignorance. People are allowed to post that theism is 'absurd, irrational and dangerous' whereas if i was to post the opposite point of view, which i firmly believe, then i would be quickly and firmly censured and face hostility and derision from my gaming colleagues. So i dont...

So please may this thread be closed down and quickly as in my opinion it has no place here on this forum. I for one am getting a little annoyed and offended. Just another excuse to give those with firmly held and rational beliefs a good kicking...
 
Really cant see why this thread is being allowed to continue as it has nothing to do with the OP.

Like every other 'religious debate' everyone has retreated to their entrenched position and proceeding to lob hand grenades each other from their position of ignorance. People are allowed to post that theism is 'absurd, irrational and dangerous' whereas if i was to post the opposite point of view, which i firmly believe, then i would be quickly and firmly censured and face hostility and derision from my gaming colleagues. So i dont...

So please may this thread be closed down and quickly as in my opinion it has no place here on this forum. I for one am getting a little annoyed and offended. Just another excuse to give those with firmly held and rational beliefs a good kicking...

Isnt that what the report post button is for, rather than just posting in the thread.
Perhaps the non game related posts could then be purged
 
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Really cant see why this thread is being allowed to continue as it has nothing to do with the OP.

Like every other 'religious debate' everyone has retreated to their entrenched position and proceeding to lob hand grenades each other from their position of ignorance. People are allowed to post that theism is 'absurd, irrational and dangerous' whereas if i was to post the opposite point of view, which i firmly believe, then i would be quickly and firmly censured and face hostility and derision from my gaming colleagues. So i dont...

So please may this thread be closed down and quickly as in my opinion it has no place here on this forum. I for one am getting a little annoyed and offended. Just another excuse to give those with firmly held and rational beliefs a good kicking...

Censored? What an absurd notion. This is the persecution complex that I was talking about earlier...

This thread has been as civil as it can get and it's quite a testament to the overall maturity of the ED forum community if you ask me.
 
Hello Commanders,

Odd question for anyone who might care to answer.
I'm looking for my home in the stars, a place where reason shines.

Any militant atheist societies in E D?

Thanks.

Hypothesis: God exists.
agnosticism - reasoning: It is not possible to prove or disprove the hypothesis.
atheism - assumption/belief: Hypothesis is false.
anti-theism - stance: Opposition against those assuming that hypothesis is true.

None of those are a political system, so just pick any faction or ask FD to add your own, and RP whatever you wish.
Marx-based Communism seems obvious choice, but even a Theocracy (as in any "belief system-based" government) will do.

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agnosticism - reasoning: It is not possible to prove or disprove the hypothesis.
atheism - assumption/belief: Hypothesis is false.
Positive atheism - the belief that the hypothesis is false.
Negative atheism - the belief that there are no rational grounds to formulate the hypothesis in the first place, even though it may, in fact, be true.
 
Ignorant Atheism: never heard of the hypothesis
Apathetic Atheism: doesn't care about the hypothesis.

Not just posting these to be a smartiepants, I think the second group is the most common variety of atheists.
 
Ok, sorry guys, was perhaps being a tad prickly... But i did get a warning back along for not very much
And yes the report button is available. But when you report what is the 'common sense view' which the majority clearly hold, then there is no point in even entering the debate or having a contrary opinion. Even though some of the expressed opinions are pretty off the wall to be honest, they are what people sincerely believe and i have to respect that. And nothing i say is going to make any difference so best to keep my trap shut. Which i find frustrating and annoying. Particularly when people actually think about the big questions of life rather than the usual trite and trivial. If you follow my logic :)
 
Morality can be self determined, an atheist society can have the highest morality, and the greatest social justices.
'Control' can be self induced by promoting free thinking, empowering the individual.

I tend to see 'true' enlightenment at the individual scale. Free will is everything, everyone is their own master.
To try and envision atheism at such an encompassing level, an entire society dedicated to true enlightenment, its awe inspiring.
Remember the context, E D has a lot of planets lived on by various human societies, a lot based on Theocracy.
If free will is everything, what would they do if the population of a theocracy want to remain a theocracy?

Will they pursue their dedication to militant atheism and eradicate the religion, or their dedication to free will and allow the people to choose?
 
Militant Atheists in ED? I mean COME ON, it's the year 3302, and you still haven't learned how to tolerate other religions, traditions and cultures?
 
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