LOL - I'm not sure what you're saying now exactly. Yes, liquids can conduct heat better than air. Liquid coolers on the other hand are air coolers, since they use a radiator that is cooled by the air. The heat has to dissipate somewhere externally eventually or the cooler won't cool anything after it gets warm.
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LOL - I'm not sure what you're saying now exactly. Yes, liquids can conduct heat better than air. Liquid coolers on the other hand are air coolers, since they use a radiator that is cooled by the air. The heat has to dissipate somewhere externally eventually or the cooler won't cool anything after it gets warm.
I remember reading someplace about someone who put his waterloop into an old propane tank that he buried in the back garden. Soil cooling FTW!
And strangely enough - it's still online
http://www.dwpg.com/content.php?contid=3&artid=57&orgartid=57
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I remember reading someplace about someone who put his waterloop into an old propane tank that he buried in the back garden. Soil cooling FTW!
And strangely enough - it's still online
http://www.dwpg.com/content.php?contid=3&artid=57&orgartid=57
Nice. On that note... when are we going to get AIO compressor cooling units ("air conditioners")?
Oh, that's right... condensation.
context.. air cooling in pc's uses a single exchange, liquid cooling uses a min of 2 exchanges. the original comment related directly to cooling in a pc, and the terminology used liquid vs air being the 2 most common forms of it. i don't really know how else to explain such a simple relationship, or understand why you are feeling the need to over complicate it. i don't know whether you are just trying to be a smart
, or think i need it explaining to me?
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context.. air cooling in pc's uses a single exchange, liquid cooling uses a min of 2 exchanges. the original comment related directly to cooling in a pc, and the terminology used liquid vs air being the 2 most common forms of it. i don't really know how else to explain such a simple relationship, or understand why you are feeling the need to over complicate it. i don't know whether you are just trying to be a smart
Either as you best see fit, I guess. No worries though. No insult was intended and sorry if I caused any. I can't always know who I'm talking to and what they already know. It might as well just boil down to having different ways of saying the same thing too.
Cheers.
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Part of it too is that there does seem to be a fair amount of confusion about this out there, so I think I was kind of going on autopilot and addressing that instead of you and what you know specifically. Hope that makes some kind of sense.
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Either as you best see fit, I guess. No worries though. No insult was intended and sorry if I caused any. I can't always know who I'm talking to and what they already know. It might as well just boil down to having different ways of saying the same thing too.
Cheers.
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Part of it too is that there does seem to be a fair amount of confusion about this out there, so I think I was kind of going on autopilot and addressing that instead of you and what you know specifically. Hope that makes some kind of sense.
ah yeah, now i get were you are coming from, sorry about the confusion. i sometimes fail terribly at reading between the lines and take things too literally, in this instance seeing it as a 2 way discussion, rather than you fleshing out the subject in general.
Nice. On that note... when are we going to get AIO compressor cooling units ("air conditioners")?
Oh, that's right... condensation.
You can get rid of the condensation problem with filling beyond ambient with nitrogen. I can just imagine cute little green valves on PC cases, and trundling them off to a garage every two months or so for a special top up
Got to be careful which garage you choose though - some lazy ones contaminate it with oxygen, argon, and all sorts of nasty stuff!
You can get rid of the condensation problem with filling beyond ambient with nitrogen. I can just imagine cute little green valves on PC cases, and trundling them off to a garage every two months or so for a special top up
Got to be careful which garage you choose though - some lazy ones contaminate it with oxygen, argon, and all sorts of nasty stuff!
May as well just fit it into a desiccator and hook up a proper cryo cooling system. I mean, who doesn't have a dewar of liquid nitrogen just sitting around?
I don't
Takes me at least a week to get hold of some, and even then it's second hand from a histology lab I don't
I'm lucky that there's a... "local chemical manufacturer" (as it were) that tries to stay on the good side of the public and helps out with educational endeavors. I haven't used that for my own personal benefit though... yet.
(No worries, I may be a bit of a radical thinker, but I'm one of the good guys. Please don't put me on another list somewhere and search my... dark nebulous regions when I go through airport security. )I would never bother, I'm too busy flying sideways through time on my way to Spiral Galaxy 28948
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Well, I am one of those women and what I get "up to" is playing a variety of online games including Elite: Dangerous! I also play World of Warcraft, Second Life, Aces High (WW2 combat flight sim) and occasionally There. In the past I have played Rift and World War Two Online. So, as a 62-year-old female and wife of an E: D player (Wrongway, who played the original game and has also played many other games including those listed above), what does that make me?
We both enjoy playing Elite and have recently made the long trip to Sag A*, now making our way back to populated space. Definitely not a 'dadgame'. 
Before it became a repeat fest, maybe. And as for watching paint dry, I have a job for that
Well, I am one of those women and what I get "up to" is playing a variety of online games including Elite: Dangerous! I also play World of Warcraft, Second Life, Aces High (WW2 combat flight sim) and occasionally There. In the past I have played Rift and World War Two Online. So, as a 62-year-old female and wife of an E: D player (Wrongway, who played the original game and has also played many other games including those listed above), what does that make me?
Love it!
Well the "whatever it is women get up to" was supposed to be a wry comment on the sort of thinking behind the "what does your wife ..." thread, not my actual thoughts!Well, I am one of those women and what I get "up to" is playing a variety of online games including Elite: Dangerous! I also play World of Warcraft, Second Life, Aces High (WW2 combat flight sim) and occasionally There. In the past I have played Rift and World War Two Online. So, as a 62-year-old female and wife of an E: D player (Wrongway, who played the original game and has also played many other games including those listed above), what does that make me?
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Nice. On that note... when are we going to get AIO compressor cooling units ("air conditioners")?
Oh, that's right... condensation.
Well, they already exist but have faded from view a bit over the last years.
OK, a potted history of modding (short for 'modification', which is like Max Power for computers instead of cars).
Modding started in the 90's, when computers became powerful enough for heat to become an issue. The first 'mod' on the internet is someone cutting a blow hole in the PC case, lining it with rubber edging and mounting an 80mm fan in it to improve case ventilation. Until then the only fan you'd find in your PC would have been a 40mm fan on the CPU heat sink, and possibly one on the GPU. No case fans yet, so we added our own. Inevitably if you cut your case, you may as well paint it.
And then people started experimenting with water cooling. The first water blocks were home brew constructions from copper and aluminium or acrylic plate, sealed with silicone paste and fitted with brass barbs, silicone or PVC tube and mains powered water pumps from plumbing or aquarium shops (you had to make sure to turn on the pump before you turned on the PC). The radiator usually was a heater core from a car: the small radiator through which the engine coolant was diverted to heat the car cabin, and coolant was distilled water with an anti-corrosion additive like you'd put in your car radiator. And if you did all that, you might as well put a window in your case, with lighting, so you could show off your rig (and keep an eye on leaks).
There were some people who went further and used Peltier cooling: small ceramic plates that are solid-state active heat pumps which transfer heat from one side of the plate to the other, with consumption of electrical energy, depending on the direction of the current. They'd create below-zero temperatures on one side, but very hot temperatures on the other, so when you put one on your CPU you'd need serious water cooling to carry the heat away. Others would just run the water loop through a heat exchanger cooled by an array of Peltiers (in turn cooled by a big heat sink with large fans) instead of a radiator, dropping water temperatures to below ambient for better cooling of the CPU. That would inevitably cause condensation, so the block and tubes would be wrapped in insulation foam repurposed from home central heating pipes, and the CPU and socket would be lathered in Vaseline or dielectric grease. Of course, the Peltiers would need their own power supply, and care would need to be taken to switch it on some time before the PC to let them get down to temperature.
Yet others looked at air conditioning technology. People who had the specialist knowledge and equipment would hack an air conditioner and swap the evaporator coil (the radiator that cools the air) for a home made evaporator block that sits on the CPU. The Freon would be pumped around by a compressor and condense in the airco unit as usual, then travel to the CPU and evaporate and cool the chip. The modified airco unit would sit under or next to the PC with a big pipe going into the case. Again condensation would be an issue and the pipe and block would need insulation wrapping and the socket greased.
Eventually companies started making such equipment specifically for the computer market, which made things a lot easier for us. But my first liquid cooled PC (shown in the thread, the dual Opteron 250) still has blocks CNC'd by a home engineer on commission, a 12V pump from a electric car turbo cooling array, and Tygon tubing ordered from a laboratory supply shop and barbs from a plumbing store. Only the radiator and reservoir come from the then just emerging market of PC water cooling equipment. Making your own stuff often was still better then, although nowadays shop bought stuff is really well designed and hard to beat with home brew (with a few exceptions). We also saw a brief market of airco units (phase change coolers) specifically designed for PCs and built in cases that would integrate neatly with existing Coolermaster or Lian-Li cases (the two market leaders in quality aluminium PC cases) or would in fact be PC cases with airco units integrated, to which you added your own motherboard etc.
The purpose of all this was so you could overclock your PC --run it far beyond its specification and squeeze out higher frame rates. In the olden days CPUs and GPUs were not as powerful so even if you paid top whack for the fastest on the market you'd soon hit a ceiling that only aggressive cooling could push beyond. Nowadays even mid-range PCs are powerful beyond compare and all that cooling hardware (and associated complication) does not justify its cost and effort anymore. With heatpipe technology and more efficient heat sink and quieter, more powerful fan design (and you have no idea how much the humble fan has come along in the last decade, you really don't) air cooling has become really rather good and quiet. But water cooling still maintains a nice balance between extra performance for not a lot of extra cost and complication.
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Thanks for the recap from another perspective. I was never really big into modding specifically, though I am someone who drilled hex style holes in the side of one of his cases to put a case fan on. I've only ever built my own PCs, starting out using spare parts from old computers. I have a couple 8086 CPUs around still even that I'm hanging onto for nostalgia. I didn't build my own PCs from new parts until around the mid to late '90s, getting a Pentium 2 system put together. I kind of miss that old CPU card. I think I eventually ended up selling parts from that computer in a new computer I built for my place of employment at the time.
At any rate, as for the portion I quoted, I'd like to think of my case/radiator fans that I'm using now (see signature) as being halfway decent at least, fairly quiet when need be, but with a good power potential on the occasions when I like to turn up the dial. I only ever got this CPU up to around 5GHz, stable enough to run benchmarks. Not the best, but not too shabby for using unmodded consumer type components. Long term stability (having an up time from weeks to months while being loaded) is more important to me now though, so I use a much more modest overclock that's a bit more energy efficient.
I do recall those little dinky and cheap card type fans you could get. Not sure how much good most of them really did. Funny to think of those now.
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I've got a six year old and a three year old so I guess I qualify as a Dad Gamer!
I play smite, GTA V, Battlefield , FiFa, Kerbal Space Program, Subnautica, Killing Floor 2 and a few others... ED is definitely not my only game.
It is one of the games I play the least since the disappointment Horizons brought IMO.
I play smite, GTA V, Battlefield , FiFa, Kerbal Space Program, Subnautica, Killing Floor 2 and a few others... ED is definitely not my only game.
It is one of the games I play the least since the disappointment Horizons brought IMO.