General / Off-Topic Censorship

Should this term be censored?

  • Absolutely. Utterly disgusting.

    Votes: 6 24.0%
  • Hmm, not sure. Don't like that word much.

    Votes: 4 16.0%
  • Dunno.

    Votes: 2 8.0%
  • Hmm, not sure. But isn't censorship even worse?

    Votes: 3 12.0%
  • Don't be silly. We are adults here and censorship is offensive.

    Votes: 10 40.0%

  • Total voters
    25
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Vlodec

Banned
If you want an easy, simple reason, it's because you agreed to the forum rules when you signed up.

and this means I can't question it or lobby for change. Why?

You will not:

T&C 6.c

At the very least, plenty here would find your term objectionable.

Subjective. Please define "plenty" without reference to the poll which you seem to find objectionable.

There's simply no need to use the term in the context of a game. Just because people often use unpleasant or inappropriate language doesn't mean we all want to read it here.

And why does that mean no one should read it. Self-entitled? (Oh "<SNIP">, are you really so sensitive we must all refrain from saying "<SNIP>" for fear of offending your delicate sensibilities? Really?? Yes or no, say it!)

And I remind you - yet again - it was the word that was censored, not the discussion.

P.S.

It's also worth pointing out that.....

disruptive, unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, pornographic, sexually explicit, hateful, racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable

Is so wide and subjective it becomes meaningless.
 
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Online gamers already have a bit of a reputation in certain areas for being misogynistic and unfriendly to women, casually tossing around words that refer to sexual violence when another word would do isn't helping things, and you don't know who is reading the forum or what they have experienced.

I can't say I'm a big fan of censorship, and I'm not particularly sensitive, but I do acknowledge that some people are.
And there would be no need for it if people showed a bit of consideration and thought about what they say.

Edit: also...what Rog said.
Can I remind you that the quoted instance where this word was censored was arguing against its casual or misogynistic use?
 
Fair enough, but surely it was arguing against because someone had used it casually in an earlier post?
Yes, quite. So why was the word censored? If someone says "I d your ship, yo", I can understand why that would be censored. If I say "that's not an appropriate context in which to use the word ", I can see no reason to censor that comment whatsoever. It's not an expletive, and it is not a word that's considered offensive (other than when used inappropriately, potentially).
 
And your point is?

I already said my point, I'm no fan of censorship but I am a fan of showing a little consideration for others when choosing your words. It's pretty obvious some people don't like it....
Especially when you are sat at a screen all the time in the world to think about what you are writing.
 
I already said my point, I'm no fan of censorship but I am a fan of showing a little consideration for others when choosing your words. It's pretty obvious some people don't like it....
Especially when you are sat at a screen all the time in the world to think about what you are writing.
See above.
 
Yes, quite. So why was the word censored? If someone says "I d your ship, yo", I can understand why that would be censored. If I say "that's not an appropriate context in which to use the word ", I can see no reason to censor that comment whatsoever. It's not an expletive, and it is not a word that's considered offensive (other than when used inappropriately, potentially).

Fair point...
 
Fair point...
:)

If the word is to be removed completely, it should be in the profanity filter (although this is already a little Orwellian - it even filters the word used to accurately describe the war-time German government!). I wouldn't agree with it being completely removed, so what should happen (IMHO) is that the mods (assuming that this is the consensus opinion) remove inappropriate instances of the word being used, and have a quite word with the person in question.
 

Vlodec

Banned
Fair point...

Oh?

"I killed your ship"

"I destroyed your ship"

"I murdered your ship"

Presumably then these words (killed, destroyed, murdered), should be censored also. Please bear in mind that as far as I know they are not currently in the language filter. No doubt you think they should be. Then by all means lobby for it. I'll even support you, for my own reasons, because I think it's necessary. Be prepared however for the tidal wave of ridicule.
 
:)

(although this is already a little Orwellian - it even filters the word used to accurately describe the war-time German government!)

If "Orwellian" gets onto the banned list I'm phoning up Alanis Morissette and telling her that she needs to change the lyrics to one of her songs.
 
If any word goes on the banned list, it should be the 'N' word.

I await reaction to that motion.
 
Oh?

"I killed your ship"

"I destroyed your ship"

"I murdered your ship"

Presumably then these words (killed, destroyed, murdered), should be censored also. Please bear in mind that as far as I know they are not currently in the language filter. No doubt you think they should be. Then by all means lobby for it. I'll even support you, for my own reasons, because I think it's necessary. Be prepared however for the tidal wave of ridicule.

I can't say I'm a big fan of censorship, and I'm not particularly sensitive,

I'm no fan of censorship

Where did I say it should be censored, I said people should think about what they are writing
 
.... because, while the word is used colloquially in the gaming community, its main use refers to sexual violence - I would have thought that that alone would make a poster think twice about using the word.

The same applies to the usage of the N word... Its origins are offensive and upsetting to certain groups of people and with good reason.

Other words such as the F word, S word (defecating), T oss er and others of that ilk, while being offensive to some, are not originating from any oppressive or violent basis and so are in a different category.

If any word goes on the banned list, it should be the 'N' word.

If you're referring to the racist N word then it already is as when you add an S in front to imply laughing a la Muttley then it gets the 6 star treatment from the profanity filter.
 

Robert Maynard

Volunteer Moderator
P.S. you mentioned your 10 year old son. How you bring him up is entirely your own business. Perhaps for this reason you should leave him out of this conversation. Unless of course you feel your methods should be open to public discussion.

Why should language that is in contravention of the terms that you accepted when you joined the forums be accepted?

Why should I not expect my son to be able to read online forums that have terms that should prevent such language? Admittedly, he has shown no interest in them as of yet, but that is beside the point. If the forums turn into a verbal cess pool then I would not be comfortable with him accessing them.
 
The biggest issue with profanity, swear words, abusive language or language pertaining to abuse is that here on the Internet, almost none of us 'know' each other. If we were all in a room together discussing this subject it would be very easy to see who among us were made uncomfortable or disapproved of our more colour use of language. It would also be pretty easy to work out who was using such language jokingly, in context, or within the accepted boundaries of any particular sub group.

In situations such as this forum we have none of those immediate indicators to whether or not our conversational style is acceptable to those around us or not. We also have absolutely no idea who those people reading our messages are so we have no normal social references available to us.

What we may think of as a perfectly legitimate or acceptable comment within the confines of our normal face-to-face or voice-to-voice social circles will be seen on this and other forums by many others who may not be included in those circles and may very well not approve of, or accept the style of language use we could get away with otherwise.

For that reason alone, anyone using a public forum such as this where absolutely anyone could and does read our comments, we should all really be refraining from the kind of comments and language we would not use in front of our parents, grand parents or children. Because it's very possible those family members will be reading it.

On public forums like this it is incumbant on all participants to self-censor on the assumption they are talking to people that they would normally self-censor for in the outside world; mother, boss, bank manager, criminal court room, etc. If any of us fail to do so we must expect those that run forums such as this to carry out censorship on our behalf. We would all be better to consider the moderators our collective guilty concience rather than the Word Police
 
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Vlodec

Banned
Why should language that is in contravention of the terms that you accepted when you joined the forums be accepted?

Why should I not expect my son to be able to read online forums that have terms that should prevent such language? Admittedly, he has shown no interest in them as of yet, but that is beside the point. If the forums turn into a verbal cess pool then I would not be comfortable with him accessing them.

Does this imply that your child rearing methods are open to public criticism?

And further...are you by this post suggesting that the word "<SNIP>" must by censored?

Assuming a resounding "yes" to both of those questions, kindly list all the other offensive terms that you feel should be considered for censorship. Take your time, there are a great many.
 
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