UAs, Barnacles & More Thread 6 - The Canonn

[Jimus]

I thought of a theory today after a little discussion with Drew on the thread about the generation ships. Sorry if this has been suggested many times before, and also sorry because this is not testable in game

My theory stems from a need to make sense of the logo on the barnacle. There is a very human element about using a logo. It suggests belonging. It suggests ownership and nationalism. We all know why these are important for humans, when used in the context of human cultures.


Now, to tie this in with the generation ships. If we assume the logo on the barnacle to be witch head and barnard's loop as seen from Sol, wouldn't it be an appropriate logo for a generation ship leaving Sol to travel towards barnard's loop? It suddenly struck me while speculating that the barnacles and maybe UAs could be from one of the lost colonies branching ona different path of technology from Earth. It even explains the Morse.

I don't know, I just like it as a theory and wanted to share. Not that I put much value on it

Also, just noticed this. The Running Man nebula is a mirror image of Witch Head nebula in ED. Is this a weird bug or was it always like this?

Especially as the theme for Season 2 is "the lost" ties in quite nicely.

Generation ship gets to destination or is picked up by Aliens. Technology is swapped, stolen, assimilated.

Hybrid technology sent back to study the origin of the Humans. The question is, why Merope? Was that the original destination on the generation ship that became lost?

EDIT:

additional speculation

2.4 – ????
Coming Soon
A secret revealed in Elite Dangerous: Horizons’ final expansion.

The Return of The Lost Ones?!?!

 

[ariscop]

As my recent narrative pointed out, we seem to have sent morse devices in the form of crashed nav beacons to every planetary body in the Galaxy. If an alien didn't know morse, it would be more of a surprise.

Is it really canon that there's nav beacons on every planet? Just the sheer volume of matter needed to do that, it makes absolutely no sense. I know they're there In Game, and have seen them myself over 2200Ly from the bubble, but that can't really be the reality can it?

 

[SystematicChaos]

It's not speculation. MB has confirmed barnacles in another nebula and both T9 wrecks and multi-ship wrecks have been shown in demo vids. The T9 is even in the trailer.

I can't find the actual quote, but I think that what he actually said was "Nebulae are good places to look, especially the one with the seven sisters."
That doesn't confirm or deny anything. He did hint about a barnacle/alien home nebula though, although I'd be surprised if anything was in game yet. For the record I've been to sadr, elephant's trunk, ngc 7822, ngc 281, crescent, bubble, heart & soul, orion and probably a couple of others I've forgotten and not found a single barnacle yet and comparable planets to barnacles already found on are not exactly that numerous.

 

[Popov Le Magnifique]

Hey Canonners, what's up? Just popping by as I remembered something from a ... hm... Stargate SG-1 episode, which could be related to the UA. Yeah. xD Bear with me!

So, in the episode "Absolute Power", Daniel builds a satellite which serves as a planetary defense platform. Here is an image:

The description states: "The system [...] was made up of 288 satellites that formed a complete grid over Earth". Change "over Earth" to "around the Pleiades" and you've got yourself the UA-shell. There is a bubble for the Federation, the Empire, the Alliance and...well you know who. ; )


PS: I've been trying to slip in a reference to Stargate for such a long time. I'm happy I finally managed to do it! All right, I'm out!


EDIT: And they may not well be "a defense system" to protect Merope...If the UA was created by the INRA that is. ; )

 

[ariscop]

I can't find the actual quote, but I think that what he actually said was "Nebulae are good places to look, especially the one with the seven sisters."
That doesn't confirm or deny anything. He did hint about a barnacle/alien home nebula though, although I'd be surprised if anything was in game yet. For the record I've been to sadr, elephant's trunk, ngc 7822, ngc 281, crescent, bubble, heart & soul, orion and probably a couple of others I've forgotten and not found a single barnacle yet and comparable planets to barnacles already found on are not exactly that numerous.

I've been out by sadr, ngc 1333, california nebula, veil nebula, and a star cluster near the elephants trunk nebula. ngc 1333 in particular is brimming with planets similar to the ones in pleiades, but no barnacles

If you're ever out that way again go see the veil nebula, beautiful from up close

 

[Graham65]

Hey Canonners, what's up? Just popping by as I remembered something from a ... hm... Stargate SG-1 episode, which could be related to the UA. Yeah. xD Bear with me!

So, in the episode "Absolute Power", Daniel builds a satellite which serves as a planetary defense platform. Here is an image:

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net...est/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20080608185719

The description states: "The system [...] was made up of 288 satellites that formed a complete grid over Earth". Change "over Earth" to "around the Pleiades" and you've got yourself the UA-shell. There is a bubble for the Federation, the Empire, the Alliance and...well you know who. ; )


PS: I've been trying to slip in a reference to Stargate for such a long time. I'm happy I finally managed to do it! All right, I'm out!


EDIT: And they may not well be "a defense system" to protect Merope...If the UA was created by the INRA that is. ; )

+1 for the SG-1 reference

 

[simulacrae]

I can't find the actual quote, but I think that what he actually said was "Nebulae are good places to look, especially the one with the seven sisters."
That doesn't confirm or deny anything. He did hint about a barnacle/alien home nebula though, although I'd be surprised if anything was in game yet. For the record I've been to sadr, elephant's trunk, ngc 7822, ngc 281, crescent, bubble, heart & soul, orion and probably a couple of others I've forgotten and not found a single barnacle yet and comparable planets to barnacles already found on are not exactly that numerous.

Han Zen is right .... also Rizal has a good synopsis at front of this thread.

Paraphrased from MB comments -(see front) MB said that the Barnacles are generated in certain nebulae and you are guaranteed to find them if you are in the right location - and the nebulae that barnacles can be found in relate to their origin.... that sounds alot like currently coded content for people who keep harping on that idea.

Spoiler

11/01/2015 3:39 PM
Q: Yeah, he did actually say meta-alloys were "exceedingly rare" towards the end of the last thread. People then started pointing out how similar his wording was to a post he made when UAs were first introduced.

Posted by Michael Brookes:
I did indeed say they are exceedingly rare - much rarer than UAs. ALthough unlike the UAs there are some that have been physically placed by us, although they are generated in certain areas of space.

Michael


11/01/2015 6:09 PM
Q: When you say "placed", do you mean that if you show up in that particular place you are 100% sure to see one, or is there still a random element to whether it will actually appear or not when you arrive?

Posted by Michael Brookes:
You are guaranteed to find them if you are in the right location.



14/01/2016 6:31 PM
Q:Now that one has been found, can you be a little more candid with your responses?
What other nebulae are they found in? And is Lagoon nebula one of those nebulae?

Posted by Michael Brookes :
I'm afraid not - the nebula that they can be found in relates to their origin and I can't talk about that.

Michael


Posted by Michael Brookes:
I meant nebulae.

Michael

 

[ariscop]

(...) the nebulae that barnacles can be found in relate to their origin....

Why the Pleiades then?

 

[SystematicChaos]

Han Zen is right .... also Rizal has a good synopsis at front of this thread.

Paraphrased from MB comments -(see front) MB said that the Barnacles are generated in certain nebulae and you are guaranteed to find them if you are in the right location - and the nebulae that barnacles can be found in relate to their origin.... that sounds alot like currently coded content for people who keep harping on that idea.

Spoiler

11/01/2015 3:39 PM
Q: Yeah, he did actually say meta-alloys were "exceedingly rare" towards the end of the last thread. People then started pointing out how similar his wording was to a post he made when UAs were first introduced.

Posted by Michael Brookes:
I did indeed say they are exceedingly rare - much rarer than UAs. ALthough unlike the UAs there are some that have been physically placed by us, although they are generated in certain areas of space.

Michael


11/01/2015 6:09 PM
Q: When you say "placed", do you mean that if you show up in that particular place you are 100% sure to see one, or is there still a random element to whether it will actually appear or not when you arrive?

Posted by Michael Brookes:
You are guaranteed to find them if you are in the right location.



14/01/2016 6:31 PM
Q:Now that one has been found, can you be a little more candid with your responses?
What other nebulae are they found in? And is Lagoon nebula one of those nebulae?

Posted by Michael Brookes :
I'm afraid not - the nebula that they can be found in relates to their origin and I can't talk about that.

Michael


Posted by Michael Brookes:
I meant nebulae.

Michael

I'm afraid that that proves absolutely nothing, apart from the fact you are guaranteed to find them if you are in the right place in the Pleiades.

 

[ariscop]

Why Merope even, it doesn't seem at all notable

 

[simulacrae]

I'm afraid that that proves absolutely nothing, apart from the fact you are guaranteed to find them if you are in the right place in the Pleiades.

Meh... If that's what u think ... Should narrow your search area then .... But I think u are misenterpreting things

 

[Graham65]

I'm afraid that that proves absolutely nothing, apart from the fact you are guaranteed to find them if you are in the right place in the Pleiades.

MB said nebulae - Plural of nebula so go search other nebula's. Someone will find the origin eventually.

 

[SystematicChaos]

MB said nebulae - Plural of nebula so go search other nebula's. Someone will find the origin eventually.

It would be useful if people read all the previous before they dive in with both feet!

 

[rizal72]

I'm afraid that that proves absolutely nothing, apart from the fact you are guaranteed to find them if you are in the right place in the Pleiades.

Ehm... did you open the spoiler tag?

His comment about the nebulae (plural) where they CAN (not will or would) be found, was made after we already discovered Barnacles in Pleiades'.

 

[Suhuy_Helgram]

BTW, does anyone realize barnacles are just bioreducing lichens grown wrong due to a random gamma burst?
Both fill the same purpose.

(just my two cents )

 

[crushdepth]

It's not speculation. MB has confirmed barnacles in another nebula and both T9 wrecks and multi-ship wrecks have been shown in demo vids. The T9 is even in the trailer.

In one of the vids it was discussed that the trailer footage was cinematic and not in-game, so those wrecks may not exist. It would be a shame if they didn't though.

 

[Tomtom]

Is it really canon that there's nav beacons on every planet? Just the sheer volume of matter needed to do that, it makes absolutely no sense. I know they're there In Game, and have seen them myself over 2200Ly from the bubble, but that can't really be the reality can it?

This is one of the things that irks me. I can land my ship at a completely random spot on any random planet in any random system anywhere in the galaxy and I'll always be within ten minutes driving distance of at least one crashed nav beacon. That means that I'm either staggeringly lucky or there are thousands of them crashed on every single (airless) planet in the galaxy; probably trillions in total.

This is just begging to have some mathematics thrown at it, so...

If we start manufacturing them right now at a continuous rate of one every second, 24 hours a day, 365 days per year then by the 34th century we'll still only have made roughly 40 billion of them.
That's just not enough.
Hopefully FD will tweak how these things spawn

 

[crushdepth]

Why the Pleiades then?

Presumably the Pleiades was a stop along their path of travel. So if we knew where they came from or where they were headed we could probably identify other likely nebulae to search.

Persomally I think they are human artifacts and the people who made them came from Sol. But if the logo is Barnard's Loop, maybe that's the origin and they were headed the other way.

 

[KellyR]

As my recent narrative pointed out, we seem to have sent morse devices in the form of crashed nav beacons to every planetary body in the Galaxy. If an alien didn't know morse, it would be more of a surprise.

So they have encountered humans or at least human artifacts. And haven't made contact. Of course, were I an advanced peaceful being, I might look at humans and say, "No way!! Those folks are nuts. Killing each other, robbing each other, poisoning their planets. Let's stay far, far away from them."

 

[Marek15]

This is one of the things that irks me. I can land my ship at a completely random spot on any random planet in any random system anywhere in the galaxy and I'll always be within ten minutes driving distance of at least one crashed nav beacon. That means that I'm either staggeringly lucky or there are thousands of them crashed on every single (airless) planet in the galaxy; probably trillions in total.

This is just begging to have some mathematics thrown at it, so...

If we start manufacturing them right now at a continuous rate of one every second, 24 hours a day, 365 days per year then by the 34th century we'll still only have made roughly 40 billion of them.
That's just not enough.
Hopefully FD will tweak how these things spawn

And don't forget all the tea and coffee. Though i am sure captain picard and captain janeway would delighted by this.