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Ship explodes after shutting off systems and leaving it in SRV
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Safety procedure...yeah...that's a good one. I hear BMW is adding that to their next M3 - " and now as a safety feature if your vehicle runs out of gas you will be ejected and it will self-destruct" lol....
Will the new M3 also be equipped with a fusion reactor?
OP is absolutely correct. That timer is NOT a self destruct timer, presumably the only reason your ship blows up at the end is that FD haven't gotten around to making a choking animation for your pilot. The timer clearly tells you it is an O2 depletion timer, and there is functionally no reason for the ship to scuttle itself once it reaches zero. Exiting the ship should pause the timer, since there is no longer anyone aboard to consume oxygen.
You dont die, you use the escape pod. The destruction could indeed be a 'safety procedure'. But not one intended to keep the pilot safe, but to keep the ship from falling in enemy hands.
...or to minimize environmental impact. I believe our reactor can create a tiny cute supernova, once it run out of fusion material.
Makes sense, but why you'd shut everything off is what's getting me I guess, there's no point in doing that, and if you KNOW doing it will result in ship destruction, bug report it and STOP doing it, the other thing that's getting me. Fire burns, so I'll tell someone fire burns and keep putting my hand into the fire until....*shakes head*
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...or to minimize environmental impact. I believe our reactor can create a tiny cute supernova, once it run out of fusion material.
That's an interesting way of minimalising environmental impact. I can almost hear the voice of an engineer, explaining in a rationally sounding voice: "To minimise environmental impact we created a small artifical nova that completely obliterates the neighbouring region, thereby simplifying cleanup and restoration efforts."
If it runs out of fusion feed, it should just sputter out and die. I wonder if what we see is not the collapse of the tiny, quickly spinning lump of anti-neutronium that's the source of the ships artifical gravity.
SI... am not completely positive on that that's how fusion reactors work.
Its a RP thing. As he said, when he stops in space he turns everything off except LS (the kind of thing you'd do if your character would go to sleep), and on a surface, there is no need for LS either so he turned that off as well. As that doesn't work as it should, he reported it as a bug, after which FD asked him to re-post it here. The OP isn't as silly as it may look at first glance.
Its a RP thing. As he said, when he stops in space he turns everything off except LS (the kind of thing you'd do if your character would go to sleep), and on a surface, there is no need for LS either so he turned that off as well. As that doesn't work as it should, he reported it as a bug, after which FD asked him to re-post it here. The OP isn't as silly as it may look at first glance.
Ok, neither of those situations would have me, as the captain of the ship, turning off everything so I could sleep. I'd leave my sensors and thrusters and FSD all online in case something happens that means I need to haul ass suddenly. And Life Support would definitely NOT be something I'd turn off when on a planet or moon that has no atmosphere, matter of fact, I'd leave the same systems on that I'd leave on in space while getting some sack time, for the exact same reasons. I'm not overly fond of how the thrusters get shut off when we land now, I'd personally prefer an option to NOT have them shut off, for emergency situations and fast get take offs.
I also look at the other aspects of the ship, like the fact that my Anaconda is SUPPOSED to have another 40+ people on board it besides myself, minimum crew required for her after all, so I definitely wouldn't be turning off life support just because I'm stepping out for a bit. Smaller ships that don't have crew requirements, you won't be killing others, but seriously, that's not something you should be turning off anyway, life support is MORE than just oxygen after all, it's also heating and cooling inside the ship. Night time on a planet without atmo, turn that off, inside of that ship is not going to be a good place to be when you return and it's been off for a while, daytime, same thing different end of the spectrum. Sticking your tongue to a pole when it's really cold is NOTHING compared to what would happen inside that ship when it's been sitting for a bit without life support on...just saying.
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That said, one thing, DAMNED good bug finding by the OP, doing something that wouldn't normally be done to find things like this, should apply for a QA position somewhere, need more people like that doing it!
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your ship may not have enough fuel to run those for 8 hours - just saying
... i had the same habit out exploring, really irritating that if you log in the next day, your heat is normal and directly starts cooling down. a friend of mine doesn't quit the game for that, and fuelscoops before and after work anyway, for me it it doesn't make sense for a ship exploding after ejecting its cmdr ... but i take it as a feature. maybe they are afraid of ships going wild.
your ship may not have enough fuel to run those for 8 hours - just saying
anyway, for me it it doesn't make sense for a ship exploding after ejecting its cmdr ... but i take it as a feature. maybe they are afraid of ships going wild.
If your ship can't run for 8 hours while you sleep, you shouldn't be sleeping in it would my first thought, guess that's just me though
As for the ships exploding when we eject, yeah, that's more of an instance thing, instances vanish the moment we, the players, leave them, so when we eject, instance is gone, which means anything in it is gone, like our ships. Ceasing to exist is actually what happens to the ship, there's no explosion, it just goes poof as the instance is closed down. Just imagine if it was persistent however, think of all the ships that would be sitting out there, hazards to navigation since most of them are ruined shells, all that data accumulating and clogging up the servers, bad bad juju that! Easy solution to an ugly problem really, but this particular issue, really should be classified as a bug I suppose, although I'm still failing to see why you'd shut down all systems on a lifeless planet without atmosphere, even a single seater without crew, that's just not good planning by any means. Exploration should be done in ships that have at least 8 hours of fuel, mine can go well over 30 hours with everything running, over double that if I shut off everything but life support, actually around quadruple that with nothing but life support running. 64 tons on my Asp Explorer and my current Anaconda has 64 tons of fuel as well. If I can't make at least 8 max distance jumps without needing to refuel, that's bad planning on my part, I know there's sections of the galaxy where that's not even enough jumps at max distance to hit scoopable stars, got to be real careful out there in the Black, definitely no way in hell I'd take a ship out that can't go 8 hours on it's fuel tank just sitting in space with systems running, much less without them running. And yes, I've done that, left my game running for days on end while I was exploring, because my ship will sit there for days without running out of fuel
If your ship can't run for 8 hours while you sleep, you shouldn't be sleeping in it would my first thought, guess that's just me though
As for the ships exploding when we eject, yeah, that's more of an instance thing, instances vanish the moment we, the players, leave them, so when we eject, instance is gone, which means anything in it is gone, like our ships. Ceasing to exist is actually what happens to the ship, there's no explosion, it just goes poof as the instance is closed down. Just imagine if it was persistent however, think of all the ships that would be sitting out there, hazards to navigation since most of them are ruined shells, all that data accumulating and clogging up the servers, bad bad juju that! Easy solution to an ugly problem really, but this particular issue, really should be classified as a bug I suppose, although I'm still failing to see why you'd shut down all systems on a lifeless planet without atmosphere, even a single seater without crew, that's just not good planning by any means. Exploration should be done in ships that have at least 8 hours of fuel, mine can go well over 30 hours with everything running, over double that if I shut off everything but life support, actually around quadruple that with nothing but life support running. 64 tons on my Asp Explorer and my current Anaconda has 64 tons of fuel as well. If I can't make at least 8 max distance jumps without needing to refuel, that's bad planning on my part, I know there's sections of the galaxy where that's not even enough jumps at max distance to hit scoopable stars, got to be real careful out there in the Black, definitely no way in hell I'd take a ship out that can't go 8 hours on it's fuel tank just sitting in space with systems running, much less without them running. And yes, I've done that, left my game running for days on end while I was exploring, because my ship will sit there for days without running out of fuel
Sorry but the player, which happened to start this thread, mentions that whilst in the SRV in the same instance as his ship, the ship then self destructs. That wouldn't be an instance problem at all.
this. you can test it when in a wing or with a friend. when you run out of life support, ship explodes. you can also test it by shooting out a npc life support, and sit next to it for 5-25 minutes
Yes, the ship explodes, because you are still in the instance. Leave the instance and it won't explode, it just ceases to exist, that's how instancing works. The countdown to destruction activated by shutting off life support is a sign that your ship is about to cease to exist, you have X time to get somewhere to fix the lack of life support or else. The game often leaves us IN the instance to view the ship exploding if we don't fix that issue because it looks cool, that's all that is, rule of cool at work there.
Why it does that, well, that's a design decision, being on planets without atmosphere is no different from being in space if your life support goes out, you are still just as dead after X time, and it looks cooler to have your ship explode than to just have it all go black and you see the rebuy screen. They could have gone with the fade to black, rebuy screen, but they already had the explosion bit anyway, why not use it, it's cool after all. You are ejecting from the ship, can't leave a navigation hazard out there somewhere, so that system ties into self destruct to avoid that. And leaving your ship sitting on some alien planet or moon makes it littering and that's just not good either, so blow that thing up! Yeah, silly, I know but it's a thing they did because we were all in space and navigation hazard IS a damn good reason for that explosion bit. The planet bit, someone didn't think that through all the way obviously, but then again, how many of US would have thought to turn off life support when we leave our ship on a planet/moon surface? Life support isn't something you usually turn off because it's BAD, simple as that, easy to see how FD overlooked that one.
Like I said, damned good on the OP for finding the bug, I never would have thought to do what he did and I've been a QA tester, it's just one of those, who the hell would ever do that things that get by QA all the time, because, honestly, who'd have a thunk it?
It pretty much is. If containment fails, the reaction stops. The outcome may not be pretty, however, as the fuel and waste products are quite hazardous.
If you want something big enough to go boom if the reaction stops, you'll be looking at something the size of a star. And not just any size of star - they need to be quite large before being capable of (naturally) going nova.
SI think you're looking at it from a different angle. Its not as much about 'realism', as it is about 'doing things'. Its an artificial mechanism that allows you to RP you're preparing for a new session, even if it makes little sense in and of itself. I'm sure people who consider doing this (like the OP and myself) might also have their character walk to the canteen and grab a cup of coffee if it were possible, or look over our shoulder into the cockpit and turn off the HUD. Ideally our aux fuel tank would drain much slower, but drain real-time regardless of being logged in as long as you're not docked. That would have turning things off make sense, although it will obviously be way too punishing for people who can only play sporadically. At this point in development it is more about doing *something* and suspending our disbelief no man has ever suspended his disbelief.
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