NMS will be different but I'm with you. I'm just sick and tired of FD and their bugged software. When ED came out they really tried to fix every single problem that existed, in Horizons it is more than obvious that it was just a money grabber.
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NMS will be different but I'm with you. I'm just sick and tired of FD and their bugged software. When ED came out they really tried to fix every single problem that existed, in Horizons it is more than obvious that it was just a money grabber.
It requires really bad bugs to get to me honestly. My biggest issue is the lack of things to do. There's no depth to anything no meaning. It's either go here and blow things up for 5 hours or run between these two stations for 5 hours. I'm not even going to begin with Robigo. And exploration just looks.... Bland. Sure there's some good screenshots but then I've already seen the sight. I just want something that will have meaning to it. If combat zones gave rank I'd be happy with just that, at least that would have repercussions aside from the locals who just so happen to be part of the MILITARY you're part of politely thank you for your MILITARY SERVICE with a few credits and a thumbs up.
Lol, I had to reread your post to see the joke, not sure how I missed it
In either case you have a point, I didn't expect we would be 5 months in to see the second release of horizons content. I would guess that FD will compensate for this somehow to maintain the value proposition of Horizons. Just my opinion but they have a vested interest in keeping their user base happy. It would be bad for business if they didn't
Well how depressing this has all become, i usually get my kicks from verbally beating up on people who are bagging the game, however reading much of what is posted in this thread leaves me quite speechless because there right, i feel the excitement, i used to have bleeding away like the exit wound from a gunshot, frontier you need to give us something to get excited about before it,s too late, your current trajectory is too little and too long, i have played many many mmo,s and can honestly say this is falling well below par, not the game it,s self but the your apparent ability or lack there of too keep it moving forward, the current pace of roll-out is simply too slow to hold many of us in this game, if you need more staff/talent get it and get this thing moving please.
Please understand i write this because i really want this game too succeed. But my eye,e are starting too wander. [sad]
Please understand i write this because i really want this game too succeed. But my eye,e are starting too wander. [sad]
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I think a lot of what keeps long term players in the game is the hope and expectation that ED will become the game they hoped it would. Some people are happy but a lot are just hanging on to the belief it will get there in the end. The constant leap frogging from release to release just about keeps them hanging in there. For some though this gap will prove too large. I don't really understand how some people can justify spring release being in May? In the world I live in:
Nov - January = Winter
Feb - April = Spring
May - July =Summer
Aug - Oct = Autumn
The first of May through eons of history across many pagan civilizations across the world, was the marker of the first day of summer.
It still is today.
So, sorry. May is not a spring release and June most definitely is not
I think it is a big gap. It doesn't bother me too much as none of the planned releases this year are things that really concern me personally. For me, the current planned releases only mark a line in the sand where it is at least a year away before the things I would love to see done in this game have a hope of even being looked at.
For others the wait will be too long resulting in them walking away from the game for a healthy break.
Nov - January = Winter
Feb - April = Spring
May - July =Summer
Aug - Oct = Autumn
The first of May through eons of history across many pagan civilizations across the world, was the marker of the first day of summer.
It still is today.
So, sorry. May is not a spring release and June most definitely is not
I think it is a big gap. It doesn't bother me too much as none of the planned releases this year are things that really concern me personally. For me, the current planned releases only mark a line in the sand where it is at least a year away before the things I would love to see done in this game have a hope of even being looked at.
For others the wait will be too long resulting in them walking away from the game for a healthy break.
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There are 2 things here though.
1. The timeline of releases
2. The number of updates included in the Horizons Season
As far as the announcement only one of these things has changed.
The only thing we know for certain. 2.1 has been delayed by about 6 weeks.
The stated reason for this is that they wanted to make sure the quality was good enough to release 2.1, if they had stayed with the original timeline then this would not have been the case.
Things that we can speculate on, the delay of 2.1 will have a knock on effect on 2.2 / 2.3 / 2.4. This may or may not be the case, but I would say it's more likely than not.
The number of updates included on the Season. I see no reason to speculate that Horizons will not contain the same amount of content as originally planned. So your $60 will get you the same amount of content, it just might take a bit longer to get it.
The timeline for Season 3. Most peoples expectation was that Seasons would last a year, so 3.0 would drop mid December just like 1.0 and 2.0. We know that there is a team working on 3.0 (and 4.0) so there is a chance that 3.0 will release before 2.x concludes, although I think this is unlikely.
I would say that it's highly unlikely that the headline features of any of the 2.x releases will be pushed back to season 3. If they are, for technical reasons, I would expect them to be free for season 2 owners in just the same way that the missions update in 2.1 is also available to owners of 1.6. I would speculate that the worst case scenario would be that 2.4 releases along side 3.1 or that 3.0 comes early next year. This will all depend on how important FD think getting 3.0 out for the Christmas buying frenzy is.
Bottom line. The content you're getting for your $60 hasn't changed, just the delivery date. Your not getting 1/2 the content, it's just a small delay. This is unfortunate, but better they release something that works that rush the release out to hit an arbitrary deadline.
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This is full of contradictions
Please explain?
2.1 is delayed. This may mean that the other releases of season 2 will be delayed. Season 2 may take more than a year to deliver. Season 2 will still include 5 releases
$60 buys season 2.
Season 3 may or may not be delayed.
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First you say that you think it is highly likely that the relese schedule will be pushed back:
"Things that we can speculate on, the delay of 2.1 will have a knock on effect on 2.2 / 2.3 / 2.4. This may or may not be the case, but I would say it's more likely than not."
Then you say tou think it will have the same amount of content and that it will just take longer to get it:
"The number of updates included on the Season. I see no reason to speculate that Horizons will not contain the same amount of content as originally planned. So your $60 will get you the same amount of content, it just might take a bit longer to get it."
Then you say you say it is highly unlikely that it will be pushed back:
"I would say that it's highly unlikely that the headline features of any of the 2.x releases will be pushed back to season 3."
Then you change your mind again and say you think the date will change (also known as getting pushed back):
"Bottom line. The content you're getting for your $60 hasn't changed, just the delivery date. Your not getting 1/2 the content, it's just a small delay. This is unfortunate, but better they release something that works that rush the release out to hit an arbitrary deadline."
Unless FD have suddenly had a change of heart, 2.1 will release 'bugs and all'. There is no evidence in any previous releases that it will be otherwise. Faced with a choice, FD has chosen to step back from release by one quarter. That is a big risk to take for a game that requires sustained interest to generate sales upon each release cycle. To miss one is no small thing. It sends all sorts of messages to the player base, upsets their confidence in the product, gives them time to find alternative interests and not to mention what messages it sends to share holders of the company etc. It is a decision that was made because it had to be made for whatever true reasons that are known only to FD. Not the sort of thing you do just on a whim.
I suppose if I am wrong we all should expect a bug free 2.1?
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The internet.
I just despair at it all. I'd like to talk about ships modules and fun space stuff, and when I try crazed forumites shake wads of Excel spreadsheets at me that predict the heat death of Elite, Frontier and the universe itself.
What happened to just sitting down and just playing?
Granted its not perfect, but whatever FD say or not say they are pulled apart on. I used to love being on this forum, but over time I've grown to resent it as it gets clogged up with more and more doom, hate and bile that drowns out the game itself.
I'm surprised Chris Roberts and DBOBE still talk to anyone anymore, the whole culture is just toxic.
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I always love it when a company gets called money grabbers ... Yeah that's what companies do numb nuts.
Also this was always in the plan, right from the Kickstarter FD has been transparent about expansions.
I can imagine the beta in mid May and the update coming in very early June (beta usually lasts between 2 and 3 weeks). Yes it has been a while, but from what I can gather, this update is gonna be a big one. Hopefully worth the wait. They have stated the reason for the delay, lets give them the time to get it right.
I think his points above are actually consistent. The release dates for 2.2, 2.3 and 2.4 are likely to be pushed back. Those who bought Horizons are still getting the same content, just delayed. The promised features for season 2 will still be part of season 2, not pushed into the season 3 expansion. Anyone who bought Horizons is still getting the same content, just on a delayed timescale.
Hmm seeing how mission have now better objective bases more like fly to the 3rd planet of system x to meet person y. no more flying around in supercruise at 30km/h just to wait for USS randomly pop up in hope to get the USS with your mission in, doesnt sound like much sure, but seeing that the entire ED Universe was not really persistent or avoided persistent outside of its stations and outposts. Its a huge change.
Together with other stuff from the USS, that should be placed more logical and the ability to scan USS in supercruise to get soem informations on it is again alot more then before.
So seeing how we will have some kind of traffic inside systems. It could be that you will see alot of USS with security checks from security forces. or those Checkpoints that spawned sometimes near planets being now placed accordingly on the lines depending on the state the system is in.
Could be even expanded on, meaning if you dont go through a checkpoint on your way to the station that you encouter on your way could cause security ships to follow trying to interdict you fine you for disobeying regulations after comfirming not having any illegal goods on board.
Its a huge step for the future to come, most things are still placeholders to a extent and only scratching the surface, overhauling the entire system is nessesary if we want to go forward with ED.
yep
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Pushed back to Season 3 i.e. not delivered as part of the season 2 releases. i.e. requiring people to pay again.
Nope, I said that it's unlikely to be added to season 3, which I assume will be delivered after season 2. Season 2 may take longer than expected to deliver, but everyone who has paid for season 2 will get what they paid for as part of season 2. No contradiction on my part. Just a reading comprehension issue on yours.
The original message I was responding to said.
We won't be getting half of what we were promised, we'll be getting the full set of releases. Hence me making the distinction between delivery dates and feature sets.
It's not a small thing, I expect they gave it a lot of thought before making the decision. No software is bug free, none, not ever. And I agree some of the 1.x releases were a complete mess bug wise and 2.0 hasn't been a bed of roses. I'm hoping FD have learnt lessons from this and this is why the 2.1 release has been delayed. Time will tell of course.
Because these discussions tend to have more variety and depth than the game does. [squeeeee]
Great updates I wonder how the game will look like this time next year
