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Unfortunately of the days, very dark, more hard, and more bitter, to come ... announced daesh
*sigh*
If I could call IS something it would be 'utter gits', to think that blowing themselves and others up and killing people will help their cause. Sometimes I wish I could just walk into the UN and tell everybody to just get together and wipe them off the face of the earth, but alas it wont happen. We are likely going to be subject to attacks for a long while yet I believe.
Pretty sure London is next :/
If I could call IS something it would be 'utter gits', to think that blowing themselves and others up and killing people will help their cause. Sometimes I wish I could just walk into the UN and tell everybody to just get together and wipe them off the face of the earth, but alas it wont happen. We are likely going to be subject to attacks for a long while yet I believe.
Pretty sure London is next :/
I have a very simply theory: People are stupid.
I've yet to see a day go by where some jackass doesn't confirm that. I just wish they'd be less belligerent about it. Or, to use a malapropism my daughter coined: Bellignorant, meaning aggressively stupid.
My sympathies to all those caught in the middle.
I've yet to see a day go by where some jackass doesn't confirm that. I just wish they'd be less belligerent about it. Or, to use a malapropism my daughter coined: Bellignorant, meaning aggressively stupid.
My sympathies to all those caught in the middle.
I dont believe it, I have been telling this to my friends for the past year at least. so true
. The problem of dealing with terrorism is there are two entirely different motives at work.
On the one hand, there are those that do the work on the ground and their supporters. In the case of Islamists, these people really do believe what they claim to, namely that they will be martyrs and go to heaven.
The other motive are those that direct the terrorism. They are simply using the activists as tools to achieve their aims. Namely to incite greater rebellion for greater political purposes.
We saw this with the IRA. Those doing the work generally saw themselves as brave patriots fighting because of the likes of Drogheda and the 19th century famine. Fantasists, lost touch with reality.
Those directing the activities of the IRA, much like the activities of these Islamists, aimed attacks at nonsense targets, Horse Guards Parade, shops and factorys, Railways stations and schools. The purpose is not to achieve tactical advantage, rather to cause a reaction against the masses and incite general rebellion.
In the case of the IRA, Americans not-with-standing, the policy of the UK was as far as possible, containment and restoration. There were many voices seeking a more agressive approach. Paisley for example wanted a wall built along the border and check points in and out of so called Catholic Areas. Those ridiculous voices were ignored. The result was a success. Success which took 30 years however, largely because of the continual interference by the afore mentioned Americans.
In the case of the ME, the reaction has been large scale destruction and destabilisation of numerous governments all over the ME and N Africa. Result, the situation has magnified to enormous proportions.
We have millions displaced, looking for any sort of shelter. Tiny numbers of activists mingle in and as happened on New Year's Eve when women were attacked and sexually assaulted are even now seeking to stir up conflict with these as well. The decision to isolate and deport many will create enormous new problems and all the lying propaganda of the western press isn't going to change that.
We're in big trouble now. The anti-EU mob is cashing in with preposterous claims that none of this would have happened if it weren't for the EU.
The Americans wander around with a sense of satisfaction that since they haven't experienced any significant attacks on their soil, therefore their approach, bombing the hell out of the ME, must be working.
In reality, those directing the terrorism are a lot smarter than that. They have successfully forced the Americans to do what they seek, bring chaos and anarchy to the ME. They can easily launch random attacks on Europe and elsewhere to demonstrate to the people of the ME they are a force to be reckoned with. Moreover, by attacking Europe they can claim they are responding to the bombing of the ME by the crusaders.
On the one hand, there are those that do the work on the ground and their supporters. In the case of Islamists, these people really do believe what they claim to, namely that they will be martyrs and go to heaven.
The other motive are those that direct the terrorism. They are simply using the activists as tools to achieve their aims. Namely to incite greater rebellion for greater political purposes.
We saw this with the IRA. Those doing the work generally saw themselves as brave patriots fighting because of the likes of Drogheda and the 19th century famine. Fantasists, lost touch with reality.
Those directing the activities of the IRA, much like the activities of these Islamists, aimed attacks at nonsense targets, Horse Guards Parade, shops and factorys, Railways stations and schools. The purpose is not to achieve tactical advantage, rather to cause a reaction against the masses and incite general rebellion.
In the case of the IRA, Americans not-with-standing, the policy of the UK was as far as possible, containment and restoration. There were many voices seeking a more agressive approach. Paisley for example wanted a wall built along the border and check points in and out of so called Catholic Areas. Those ridiculous voices were ignored. The result was a success. Success which took 30 years however, largely because of the continual interference by the afore mentioned Americans.
In the case of the ME, the reaction has been large scale destruction and destabilisation of numerous governments all over the ME and N Africa. Result, the situation has magnified to enormous proportions.
We have millions displaced, looking for any sort of shelter. Tiny numbers of activists mingle in and as happened on New Year's Eve when women were attacked and sexually assaulted are even now seeking to stir up conflict with these as well. The decision to isolate and deport many will create enormous new problems and all the lying propaganda of the western press isn't going to change that.
We're in big trouble now. The anti-EU mob is cashing in with preposterous claims that none of this would have happened if it weren't for the EU.
The Americans wander around with a sense of satisfaction that since they haven't experienced any significant attacks on their soil, therefore their approach, bombing the hell out of the ME, must be working.
In reality, those directing the terrorism are a lot smarter than that. They have successfully forced the Americans to do what they seek, bring chaos and anarchy to the ME. They can easily launch random attacks on Europe and elsewhere to demonstrate to the people of the ME they are a force to be reckoned with. Moreover, by attacking Europe they can claim they are responding to the bombing of the ME by the crusaders.
Belgium; you are in my heart, mind and soul!
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An interesting, if lengthy, article on the unspeakables here:
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
Today, we are all Belgian.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
Today, we are all Belgian.
How strangely do we diminish a thing as soon as we try to express it in words.
When we lose one we love, our bitterest tears are called forth by the memory of hours when we loved not enough.
Perhaps a little easier on the ear in the original French, (the quotes are by Maurice Maeterlinck) but it sums up how I feel right now. Such a wonderful country; such beautiful, friendly people; such an abhorrent, barbaric act.
My heart goes out to you tonight...
When we lose one we love, our bitterest tears are called forth by the memory of hours when we loved not enough.
Perhaps a little easier on the ear in the original French, (the quotes are by Maurice Maeterlinck) but it sums up how I feel right now. Such a wonderful country; such beautiful, friendly people; such an abhorrent, barbaric act.
My heart goes out to you tonight...
I find frightening the determination and the casualness of these people. They really give the impression of being of peaceful travelers.
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This is a truly fascinating article, giving an insightful view of Islam from the American perspective.
It is, as you say, quite long, but I will urge any who care to, to read it. It gets very turgid and confusing in the last section, V. Dissuasion, never-the-less, makes a number of interesting points.
Sadly, I can't help but feeling the article is a reflection of the essential error that the Americans have made in their foreign policy, continually during the 20th century, namely that they give too much weight to statements and not enough to tenacity.
We are all, painfully aware that almost anyone can seemingly find justification for almost anything in the Bible and equally dismiss almost anything they choose. Sadly the same applies to these Islamists.
The tendency to assume that their actions will always be essentially predictable is simply not borne out by history. They only thing we can really accept as far as any religious texts are concerned is when someone claims to be following them, they believe they are right and everyone who came before them is in error.
I recall in the 70s when huge numbers believed they were heralding the dawn of a new, Communism which would at any time, take over the world. It was surprisingly similar to any other apocalyptical religion and was seemingly supported passionately by huge numbers of university students and other intellectuals who read voraciously and quoted like a Muslim fanatic.
Many of those became Thatcher and Regan supporters.
Just saying.
i think we have dark days ahead indeed but not because of terrorism, which is just a tool in a different agenda.
of course i'm sorry about the victims and the pain, but it only seems to matter when it hits us in the first world. it happens far worse every day elsewhere, and basically because of ... "us". i can't stand this sort of collective ignorant cynicism.
of course i'm sorry about the victims and the pain, but it only seems to matter when it hits us in the first world. it happens far worse every day elsewhere, and basically because of ... "us". i can't stand this sort of collective ignorant cynicism.
Of course, the westerners are not lambs. They are rotten like the others. Unfortunately
There have beeen a number of uploads into thins thread, but on an issue like this,public and official attitudes are usually as important as the events themselves.
I have also read the Koran, but certainly not to the degree this fellow has and for what its worth, i came to the same conclusion.
Indeed, I have spoken to some very angry and aggressive people claiming to be Muslim and asked them where their claims and attitudes come from. They always respond that I should read it all again.
Well, it is pretty certain this Imam has read the Koran and other texts pretty carefully.
More of this is what's needed. There is a pervasive acceptance of the attitudes of fundamentalists in the Islamic world.