When has anybody on the internet ever used their freedom with a bit of care? The internet might as well have coined the phrases "This is why we can't have nice things." and "One rotten apple spoils the whole bushel."
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When has anybody on the internet ever used their freedom with a bit of care? The internet might as well have coined the phrases "This is why we can't have nice things." and "One rotten apple spoils the whole bushel."
Technically, anyone not in your instance is impacting your game play. People you never get matched with, or players busy doing things while you sleep. The only way to be completely fair is to lock players to the same 32 player instance forever.
It's not 'because it's allowed' it's because that's the way the devs decided it would be since pitching the idea.
Like it or hate it, we are only passenger along for the ride.
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The KS gave people the choice - solo, with friends, or open and you knew this from the outset. This has been FDs mantra from the outset. The game isn't designed to bring people together due to lack of choke points; instancing; group tools; MP missions; plus the elephant in the room "space is big"
Don't confuse high sec / low sec space with modes ... the game is lacking features and details which is why the level of "risk" across the bubble is pretty much uniform - that has nothing to do with the social filter.
Well, maybe in another generation or two people will learn to use it with a little bit of care.
Because .. let's be honest here .. for someone who accuses other players of "caring too much about an online game and pixelships blown up", they sure make a lot of fuss and put an nearly unhealthy lot of time into "online".
-Merge all platforms?
-Fix instancing?
I mean there are a TON of ways to skin this cat. I don't understand why we have to resort to sarcasm and bickering instead of just fixing problems.
There are players right now, on PC.. who could flip systems/stations that I and my friends play on, and there's nothing we can do about it. Nothing at all. EVEN IF THEY WERE PLAYING IN OPEN. It doesn't matter, cause I'm at the whim of every player that I can't instance with.
I really think that PC players just don't understand the impact of the BGS.
It's not just YOUR instance.
It's not just YOUR platform.
But I have to be careful about my movements, where I decide to set up a home base, what governments I want to change in power play all because some TWENTY THOUSAND players on the same simulation but on a platform I can't interact with decide that they don't like what I'm doing.
Think about that.
20,000 people you never interact with impact every second of your game play and you don't get a say in that. Now multiple that feeling by how many people play on the PC TOTALLY and you might have a glimpse of how it feels to play on the Xbox.
That I agree with completely. It's really surprised me to be honest, before I started playing the game I was aware of the different modes of play (I have a mate who has been playing since beta) and even with long experience of gaming it never occurred to me that there would be this amount of vitriol between players who simply play the game in different modes. Note, I'm not talking about specific players or their actions here at all, but this concept that if you play the game in solo or private you are 'killing the game' or 'trolling' people who play in open.
I can understand anybody not finding a particular way of playing to be entertaining or exciting or interesting or fun, but the borderline (and sometimes over the borderline) hatred that gets thrown around just because a player chooses to play in one mode or the other is bizzare.
In my home town we have a lovely river bike trail that had been abandoned because of a handful of assaults. As a direct result of being abandoned, the area became invested with hobos and miscreants.
But guess what, the community decided it had enough, and took back this beautiful Greenway. How did they do it? Not with cops or vigilantes, nope. They did it with elbow grease and simply showing up.
When the area was too well maintained and populated by good citizens, the vagrants and ne'er-do-wells relocated on their own accord.
The lesson? Bad apples only rule when the good apples let them.
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Thought about it.
You can't even get 5 people on this thread (who kinda directly interact with you) to like what you're writing and you want to appeal to 20k? hmmmm .. how's that going to work?
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'social filter' its a bit of an oxymoron that. Its rather anti social to segregate oneself but if FD hadn't taken these short cuts we likely wouldn't need different play areas. I think it would make for a much deeper and richer experience. Instead populated areas are like deserts bereft of players. But hey check out the steam reviews since you think the game is doing so well.
And as for choke points, the only ones in the game are those which FD have put in themselves with this garbage CG system.. Sorry bro, as much as I like ED and want it to be great, I can't turn a blind eye to its clear failings.
I think I'm social because I sit at the same desk as my girlfriend and wingmate (who can kick my shin if I ram her ingame), you think it's social to have 1.5 mio people who don't care about you and you don't care about crammed into the same database.
I guess we both lose (but my shin hurts
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Thought about it.
You can't even get 5 people on this thread (who kinda directly interact with you) to like what you're writing and you want to appeal to 20k? hmmmm .. how's that going to work?
Right?!?
/hopeless
So what is your solution about the different time zone?
You asked me to think about it, I did and I proposed solutions to the "problem" you mention.
If people affecting other people gameplay is an issue as you believe : No PVP allowed
If BGS impact is the issue, a different Universe simulation per time zone/country and platform.
Would this be a game you would play?
Sorry, but this is not Elite Dangerous as designed during the KS.
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Well I don't think it's out of the question to separate the impact players who segregate themselves make.
Personally, I would put everyone in the same open play, regardless of platform and whatever KS promises you want to hold FD to.
But let's attempt to be constructive about it.
What if we nerf rep gains for Private/Solo players.
What if we buff rep gains for Open Play?
What if we took your idea and eliminated PvP in Open and left PvP totally to match making/CQC?
I mean.. that just scratches the surface of what all FD can do with this virtual universe.
But you seem more interested in keeping them beholden to the whole "Play Open/Private/Solo" promises of the KS while at the same time you're saying that you don't mind if they trash their KS promises of choosing your profession, like being a pirate..
So I'll ask again, WHICH IS IT?
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I think I'm social because I sit at the same desk as my girlfriend and wingmate (who can kick my shin if I ram her ingame), you think it's social to have 1.5 mio people who don't care about you and you don't care about crammed into the same database.
I guess we both lose (but my shin hurts
I just think the game would be more interesting, fun and dynamic if we saw more players. However, as it stands I think Open is kinda pointless - goes back to my point about the game design and choices FD made which I believe are extremely short sighted and mistaken. Human nature being what it is players will take the path of least resistance and for ED thats solo and pg.
So much for being the greatest sandbox ever created. :/
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You are wrong. I actually defend exactly the same thing as you.
Let me clarify: I want everybody to be able to play the way they want. Which is basically the way ED was sold during the KS.
But in order to achieve that compromise needs to happen.
FD design choice was one single BIG universe (easier for the story telling and cheaper background server infrastructure).
You asked me to think and I even did before you asked me to. And to answer your question (WHICH IS IT?) is that ED is the game I bought on the promise I play PVP or PVE when I want.
And by the way you can be a pirate even without PVP interaction.
Traders and Bounty Hunters are playing the PVE game and Pirate can do the same and it is actually much more profitable (time spent/profit earned) than pirating players.
Now, I returned you a question you conveniently ignored.
Can you please explain what is your suggestion in order to have player from different time zone not affecting your universe?
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I can change what time of day I play in.
I can't change what platform they play on.
I can't change what mode they play in.
Again I'LL ask: Why should they be allowed to impact the BGS if they aren't playing in Open?
They don't want interaction yet they force it on me by excluding themselves?
Wall of text incomming, prepare yourself.
Going to try and be impartial as possible but as you may expect I fall quite strongly on the Anti-SDC side. Not what they just how they do it.
Yes you can be a complete "expletive" in-game but many of the arguments don't add up 100% for me or appear thinly veiled to protect their interests:
1) This is the problem that has arisen from making Elite a mixture of genres (MMO/Arcade/Nostalgia etc). SDC say they are former Eve players and have taken that mentality, they say it's a game and it's part of it. Very true but this ain't Eve, want to play Eve then go play it, no one is stopping you... Try to play the original Elite and show me where it's part of it... oh wait it's not an MMO and Elite is not that Dangerous, oops, sorry guys.
Yes the ability to do those things have been added, but just because it's a possibility doesn't mean you have to do it.
I'm going to play Counterstrike and team-kill every player on my team at the start of the round because it's something you can do and is "part of it". I wonder how long that will last before I get blocked from the servers.
In any case if your objective is to have fun and blow stuff up why not join or create a PvP league guaranteeing lots of fighting everytime you log-in? Lets be honest with each other, you enjoy the salt and the controversy, the killing things and blowing people up is a footnote on your enjoyment register. I'd wager you spend more time chatting about how to cause a fuss than you do flying around killing people.
Oh wow, that got away from impartial fairly quickly, sorry I will try to reign that in a bit.
I don't disagree with the killing but there should really be an in-game reason. Hopefully the new crime and punishment updates will see a capital ship or two chain interdicting the SDC CMDR's. Actually that would be an interesting gameplay addition, a capital ship that hunts the player with the highest Fed/Imperial bounty, and a wing of Elite Corvettes/Cutters/Anacondas hunting the highest independent/Alliance bounty...
2) Yes its a game and that's true but it affects real people in real life. I've had good days where I've played community goals, I've seen and been on the receiving end of that wizard CMDR's lasers and enjoyed the interaction but then I've also had days where all I want to do is enjoy the scenery or do a bit of PvE and a CMDR attacking me would have been rather negative for my real life psyche, not too terrible for me personally since I'm in a good position irl but some people are depressed or suffer from issues in Rl that they try to escape in-game.
Some people can't "git good", some of us are old, poorly co-ordinated, slow reflexes, disabled, too young, too little game-time. Just because SDC have some highly skilled people (let's not argue that, they are highly skilled despite often picking on the weak and unskilled) doesn't mean anyone can become as good at PvP as them. Some people achieve in months what others achieve in hours on Elite so they play in Mobius as they have a goal that they are progressing towards and don't want that goal ruined setting them back months of irl time.
3) The clowns bit. Um, excuse me, just read the article, if you act like clowns don't complain about being called it. I really have 0 sympathy for anyone who acts provocatively then complains about the results. Maybe if the PvP crowd organised more successful events and weren't as "expletives" in game they'd get taken more seriously and get more respect and attention from Frontier. I mean look at the community goals and events the PvE community have created by comparison, you can understand why FD are looking at them more.
4) Youtube Audio I can understand the arguement but lets be grown up, SDC know, we know, Frontier know. SDC are intelligent people, everything is there for a specific reason to provoke a specific response.
Using the Arabic for "God is Great" as a suicide/attack cry should be actionable by FD, it doesn't belong in any game except maybe counterstrike (see point 3 about going in a game to escape real life, some of us have experienced horrible things and it's not right), people have been investigated by the police for less than that. (I believe the UK term is "Inciting racial hatred").
5) Infiltrating private groups, attacking streamers and the AforA event. I'm against SDC on the attacking streamers since they located said streamer via their stream (against Twitch's EULA). Same with private groups, it's deliberate insolence because your "play it your way" isn't the same as everyone else's. Why is SDC's "Play it your way" more important, the arrogance/ego point seems to come back again.
I'm actually on SDC's side on the whole cancer thing but this comes with an asterix the size of a small mountain*. I believe some people will take offence at anything and charity is charity. However, SDC need to check their presentation, or just accept that they are trying to get themselves banned by FD, I mean what would provoke more outrage and controversy right?
You don't go to a policeman and blow cigarette smoke in his face, it may be legal but you know you have only yourself to blame if poking a bear with a stick leads to a broken you. Lets get real again. It's like when a parent tells a child not to sit on the chair they are moving so the child stands on it and says "I'm not sitting on the chair", it's simple impertinence and again SDC have to realise eventually Frontier may decide not to be a caring parent any more and ground them to their room...
* I disagree with targeting noobs since that's one of the things that made me quite Eve during the free trial, at least let me learn enough to not kill myself before you come along and do it, don't need your assistance dying just yet... Whilst I appreciate the gesture of providing cargo etc to the parties affected some just quit. Some we may never see again. I doubt I'd be here if I had been killed 30 times in the starter system by vastly superior ships and players.
6) Finally no the game won't die without you. You seriously cannot be that egotistical that you think a group of probably under 100 players (haven't checked) control the life of the game. It all depends on how it's handled, yes if they ban with no explanation or say for killing a CMDR then you are correct there may be a PvP exodus. However, Frontier could pick a specific occurrence and say this gets you banned. Provided they make it clear why then there will be no mass-exodus as lets be honest, you are bending the rules and pushing the limits, it's only expected that you eventually find out how far too far is.
For example if they say repeatedly using X's twitch stream to find and kill them is harassment, it's occurred X times in Y weeks which is significantly more than random chance therefore you are banned.
Also see the * on point 5, if you are discouraging other players and making people quit, how important are SDC really to the games survival? Yes they get some press attention but there's been plenty of other groups doing that (Hutton, DW, Fuel Rats etc etc etc).
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7) The modes question (see post above mine) it's a fair comment but if there were more PvP people there would perhaps be more action. Persuade people to do PvP, organise sidewinder contests, suggest community goals, make activities only available in Open and only available to those that do PvP and you may win over some of the Mobius and group players, at current all SDC are doing are proving them right and driving them further away from Open and PvP. Lets be honest given Frontiers statements there will be no forced-open in this game, so lets stop arguing that. There are suggestions for increased effectiveness for BGS/PP activities in Open which I support but again, lets be realistic on what could happen rather than just argue.
Also has anyone considered a counter infiltration? Join SDC, deliberately harass someone or use other things just to get banned so that young wizard has to quit (or has to eat his words)... Would be amusing if a terrible waste of time and money. <- Note I do not approve or condone such an action, I'm merely asking if SDC and others have considered making a statement like they have may lead to this eventuality
Finally my personal verdict:
Is it right to ban SDC? -> No.
As I said above I'm not anti-PvP, I've been on the reciving end of SDC. Open is Open, SDC should be there and do what they do, the same way CODE is there and other PvP groups.
But:
If I was Frontier I'd look at the stats and send a statement to the SDC leaders. Assuming the statistics are as expected (Deliberate targetting streamers via twitch streams, infiltrating private groups etc etc).
It should say "Continued use of X will get you shadow-banned", "Continued activities of Y will get you shadow-banned". Following a specific warning if you continue the ban is permenant, consider this a specific warning for targetting X streamer repeatedly (over X instances in X weeks isn't random occurance etc).
Make it very clear what is considered poor behaviour, they've partly done this in the open official response but it's not clear enough for my liking. There should be a hard line drawn saying "If you infiltrate flout Mobius' rules again we will investigate the accounts via IP addresses and monitor/block them for repeat offences". There's no middleground, no bending the rules and all sides know exactly where they stand. Yes this may require clarification on minor and obscure points but thats what the community team and support team are there for.
No one should be banned for a single occurance (we all make mistakes) but joining a PvE group for PvP, just say that out loud and it sounds silly and wrong, common sense should be applicable and an offence that can merit a warning.
Imho Frontier need a poster-child for "Don't do this, we will ban you", It's now very very well known they are taking a soft-handed approach, cheating websites brag about it, articles in popular press even reference it, until a publicised example come along no one will take it seriously (as is being evidenced by SDC deliberatly attempting to bend the rules).
Steam has very little cheating, the reason is very harsh consequences possibly loosing hundreds of £/$/€ on your account. As such people take it seriously and its generally made it a better place
Possible routes forward from my perspective:
SDC clean up their act, become more about PvP rather than the controversy and salt and become a highly skilled and respected part of the community where they can make good suggestions to FD about balance and game changes/tweaks that may actually get a positive response.
Or
SDC can continue the salt and controversy, eventually go a step too far and see some or all of their group shadow-banned or perma-banned. See it from FD's perspective, if all Mobius' group quit it's a bigger financial and numeric loss than the skilled PvP players. Yes the game would loose something If SDC quit or got banned or both but let's not pretend that all PvP players would suddenly jump ship. Also it'd be interesting to see how SC and NMS etc would respond to the same type of play and bending rules, It could prove quite expensive for SDC though, especially those uni students (been there, done that).
Finally the labels, jeez I'm getting a little annoyed now, congrats SDC, can you retire now?
I play Open, I've killed people, I've pirated people, I've interdicted people. Am I a griefer?
I've played Mobius, I've played solo, I've taken part in fuel rat operations, am I a carebear?
Being both simultaneously is a bit difficult, I need some help...
If this comes off a bit one way than the other I did warn you but lets get real, lets not pretend or provide excuses, they can always be found especially where very washy and unclear rules and regulations are applied. Also Happy April Fools Day to all. I'm shocked there was no SDC April Fools operation, ah well, there's always next year if they still exist.
Going to try and be impartial as possible but as you may expect I fall quite strongly on the Anti-SDC side. Not what they just how they do it.
Yes you can be a complete "expletive" in-game but many of the arguments don't add up 100% for me or appear thinly veiled to protect their interests:
1) This is the problem that has arisen from making Elite a mixture of genres (MMO/Arcade/Nostalgia etc). SDC say they are former Eve players and have taken that mentality, they say it's a game and it's part of it. Very true but this ain't Eve, want to play Eve then go play it, no one is stopping you... Try to play the original Elite and show me where it's part of it... oh wait it's not an MMO and Elite is not that Dangerous, oops, sorry guys.
Yes the ability to do those things have been added, but just because it's a possibility doesn't mean you have to do it.
I'm going to play Counterstrike and team-kill every player on my team at the start of the round because it's something you can do and is "part of it". I wonder how long that will last before I get blocked from the servers.
In any case if your objective is to have fun and blow stuff up why not join or create a PvP league guaranteeing lots of fighting everytime you log-in? Lets be honest with each other, you enjoy the salt and the controversy, the killing things and blowing people up is a footnote on your enjoyment register. I'd wager you spend more time chatting about how to cause a fuss than you do flying around killing people.
Oh wow, that got away from impartial fairly quickly, sorry I will try to reign that in a bit.
I don't disagree with the killing but there should really be an in-game reason. Hopefully the new crime and punishment updates will see a capital ship or two chain interdicting the SDC CMDR's. Actually that would be an interesting gameplay addition, a capital ship that hunts the player with the highest Fed/Imperial bounty, and a wing of Elite Corvettes/Cutters/Anacondas hunting the highest independent/Alliance bounty...
2) Yes its a game and that's true but it affects real people in real life. I've had good days where I've played community goals, I've seen and been on the receiving end of that wizard CMDR's lasers and enjoyed the interaction but then I've also had days where all I want to do is enjoy the scenery or do a bit of PvE and a CMDR attacking me would have been rather negative for my real life psyche, not too terrible for me personally since I'm in a good position irl but some people are depressed or suffer from issues in Rl that they try to escape in-game.
Some people can't "git good", some of us are old, poorly co-ordinated, slow reflexes, disabled, too young, too little game-time. Just because SDC have some highly skilled people (let's not argue that, they are highly skilled despite often picking on the weak and unskilled) doesn't mean anyone can become as good at PvP as them. Some people achieve in months what others achieve in hours on Elite so they play in Mobius as they have a goal that they are progressing towards and don't want that goal ruined setting them back months of irl time.
3) The clowns bit. Um, excuse me, just read the article, if you act like clowns don't complain about being called it. I really have 0 sympathy for anyone who acts provocatively then complains about the results. Maybe if the PvP crowd organised more successful events and weren't as "expletives" in game they'd get taken more seriously and get more respect and attention from Frontier. I mean look at the community goals and events the PvE community have created by comparison, you can understand why FD are looking at them more.
4) Youtube Audio I can understand the arguement but lets be grown up, SDC know, we know, Frontier know. SDC are intelligent people, everything is there for a specific reason to provoke a specific response.
Using the Arabic for "God is Great" as a suicide/attack cry should be actionable by FD, it doesn't belong in any game except maybe counterstrike (see point 3 about going in a game to escape real life, some of us have experienced horrible things and it's not right), people have been investigated by the police for less than that. (I believe the UK term is "Inciting racial hatred").
5) Infiltrating private groups, attacking streamers and the AforA event. I'm against SDC on the attacking streamers since they located said streamer via their stream (against Twitch's EULA). Same with private groups, it's deliberate insolence because your "play it your way" isn't the same as everyone else's. Why is SDC's "Play it your way" more important, the arrogance/ego point seems to come back again.
I'm actually on SDC's side on the whole cancer thing but this comes with an asterix the size of a small mountain*. I believe some people will take offence at anything and charity is charity. However, SDC need to check their presentation, or just accept that they are trying to get themselves banned by FD, I mean what would provoke more outrage and controversy right?
You don't go to a policeman and blow cigarette smoke in his face, it may be legal but you know you have only yourself to blame if poking a bear with a stick leads to a broken you. Lets get real again. It's like when a parent tells a child not to sit on the chair they are moving so the child stands on it and says "I'm not sitting on the chair", it's simple impertinence and again SDC have to realise eventually Frontier may decide not to be a caring parent any more and ground them to their room...
* I disagree with targeting noobs since that's one of the things that made me quite Eve during the free trial, at least let me learn enough to not kill myself before you come along and do it, don't need your assistance dying just yet... Whilst I appreciate the gesture of providing cargo etc to the parties affected some just quit. Some we may never see again. I doubt I'd be here if I had been killed 30 times in the starter system by vastly superior ships and players.
6) Finally no the game won't die without you. You seriously cannot be that egotistical that you think a group of probably under 100 players (haven't checked) control the life of the game. It all depends on how it's handled, yes if they ban with no explanation or say for killing a CMDR then you are correct there may be a PvP exodus. However, Frontier could pick a specific occurrence and say this gets you banned. Provided they make it clear why then there will be no mass-exodus as lets be honest, you are bending the rules and pushing the limits, it's only expected that you eventually find out how far too far is.
For example if they say repeatedly using X's twitch stream to find and kill them is harassment, it's occurred X times in Y weeks which is significantly more than random chance therefore you are banned.
Also see the * on point 5, if you are discouraging other players and making people quit, how important are SDC really to the games survival? Yes they get some press attention but there's been plenty of other groups doing that (Hutton, DW, Fuel Rats etc etc etc).
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7) The modes question (see post above mine) it's a fair comment but if there were more PvP people there would perhaps be more action. Persuade people to do PvP, organise sidewinder contests, suggest community goals, make activities only available in Open and only available to those that do PvP and you may win over some of the Mobius and group players, at current all SDC are doing are proving them right and driving them further away from Open and PvP. Lets be honest given Frontiers statements there will be no forced-open in this game, so lets stop arguing that. There are suggestions for increased effectiveness for BGS/PP activities in Open which I support but again, lets be realistic on what could happen rather than just argue.
Also has anyone considered a counter infiltration? Join SDC, deliberately harass someone or use other things just to get banned so that young wizard has to quit (or has to eat his words)... Would be amusing if a terrible waste of time and money. <- Note I do not approve or condone such an action, I'm merely asking if SDC and others have considered making a statement like they have may lead to this eventuality
Finally my personal verdict:
Is it right to ban SDC? -> No.
As I said above I'm not anti-PvP, I've been on the reciving end of SDC. Open is Open, SDC should be there and do what they do, the same way CODE is there and other PvP groups.
But:
If I was Frontier I'd look at the stats and send a statement to the SDC leaders. Assuming the statistics are as expected (Deliberate targetting streamers via twitch streams, infiltrating private groups etc etc).
It should say "Continued use of X will get you shadow-banned", "Continued activities of Y will get you shadow-banned". Following a specific warning if you continue the ban is permenant, consider this a specific warning for targetting X streamer repeatedly (over X instances in X weeks isn't random occurance etc).
Make it very clear what is considered poor behaviour, they've partly done this in the open official response but it's not clear enough for my liking. There should be a hard line drawn saying "If you infiltrate flout Mobius' rules again we will investigate the accounts via IP addresses and monitor/block them for repeat offences". There's no middleground, no bending the rules and all sides know exactly where they stand. Yes this may require clarification on minor and obscure points but thats what the community team and support team are there for.
No one should be banned for a single occurance (we all make mistakes) but joining a PvE group for PvP, just say that out loud and it sounds silly and wrong, common sense should be applicable and an offence that can merit a warning.
Imho Frontier need a poster-child for "Don't do this, we will ban you", It's now very very well known they are taking a soft-handed approach, cheating websites brag about it, articles in popular press even reference it, until a publicised example come along no one will take it seriously (as is being evidenced by SDC deliberatly attempting to bend the rules).
Steam has very little cheating, the reason is very harsh consequences possibly loosing hundreds of £/$/€ on your account. As such people take it seriously and its generally made it a better place
Possible routes forward from my perspective:
SDC clean up their act, become more about PvP rather than the controversy and salt and become a highly skilled and respected part of the community where they can make good suggestions to FD about balance and game changes/tweaks that may actually get a positive response.
Or
SDC can continue the salt and controversy, eventually go a step too far and see some or all of their group shadow-banned or perma-banned. See it from FD's perspective, if all Mobius' group quit it's a bigger financial and numeric loss than the skilled PvP players. Yes the game would loose something If SDC quit or got banned or both but let's not pretend that all PvP players would suddenly jump ship. Also it'd be interesting to see how SC and NMS etc would respond to the same type of play and bending rules, It could prove quite expensive for SDC though, especially those uni students (been there, done that).
Finally the labels, jeez I'm getting a little annoyed now, congrats SDC, can you retire now?
I play Open, I've killed people, I've pirated people, I've interdicted people. Am I a griefer?
I've played Mobius, I've played solo, I've taken part in fuel rat operations, am I a carebear?
Being both simultaneously is a bit difficult, I need some help...
If this comes off a bit one way than the other I did warn you but lets get real, lets not pretend or provide excuses, they can always be found especially where very washy and unclear rules and regulations are applied. Also Happy April Fools Day to all. I'm shocked there was no SDC April Fools operation, ah well, there's always next year if they still exist.
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I'm a MMO n00b with a mere 20 years experience and I play solo.
How many more years of learning and practicing will it take for me to be able to brave the challenges of open?
Soon.
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