The Formidine Rift - Part 2

[TheyCallMeGunny]

"Edge of the Galactic Arm. Take a line from Reorte to Riedquat to the edge of the arm and ... keep going. 'Stars thin out, you can see the whole galaxy just hanging there."

Why are we not looking BEYOND the Outer New Galactic Arm? I think we've all been overthinking this.

 

[Arjin]

"Edge of the Galactic Arm. Take a line from Reorte to Riedquat to the edge of the arm and ... keep going. 'Stars thin out, you can see the whole galaxy just hanging there."

Why are we not looking BEYOND the Outer New Galactic Arm? I think we've all been overthinking this.

That's what I keep saying,

From #1034:
Something has been bugging me, the old lady states "but I got as far as the Formidine Rift," not across, "No one has gone past it and lived to tell the tale." so if she only got to the Rift then how does she know that we need to cross it and get to the edge of the galactic arm. "Edge of the Galactic Arm. Take a line from Reorte to Riedquat to the edge of the arm and ... keep going". Unless she is referring only to the Perseus arm as being the edge, and whatever IT is lies within the Rift? The serious stuff she saw out there can only be at the edge of the Rift, Perseus side if we take her account logically.

Am I missing something here?


EDIT: Unless #2, the Rift is the interstellar void after our galaxy ends, the true void. So the Rift maybe after the edge of the new Outer Arm and beyond...?

 

[lorrad]

What if the same applies to the reorte-riedquat line too...

Just saying: I'd be very keen to know if those systems were placed when Drew wrote his book; and whether he knew where they were either. Judging by the content, quite a lot of things he imagined are different from the game we're playing now.

So if they weren't placed, or he wasn't aware of where they were, then there's absolutely no guarantee this is the right place to be looking. Might be worth trying to get some clarity on this point.

And what if it's beyond bovomit?

Could be why not.

But you're right writing before the game was released and not being a perfect Nostradamus it's all Drew's fault!
You light the torches and I'll get pitch forks and its off to castle Wagar we go!

It IS all his fault ya know. This thread had been dead since last sept and then he just had to come in and comment on something this past January and off to the races this went. We're nothing but putty and pawns (marks more like) in his hands. "See I told you I could get hundreds of players to head off to the rift for no good reason! It's not too far away, it's not!"

Don't forget to set your stopwatch for the maybe a new clue on about or after May 28th!

 

[TheyCallMeGunny]

The RR line is subject only to your belief in it's accuracy:

If Drew wrote the book before this, that doesn't affect it's accuracy. Actually, writing the book BEFORE the game increases it's degree of accuracy: The devs could then draw their own imaginary line and square the goal PERFFECTLY to it, instead of having to find a point that already exists and make a cypher to lead to it's general direction.

The ONLY question to ask yourself is:

Do you belief it's a compass, or a general gesture?

 

[Arjin]

The RR line is subject only to your belief in it's accuracy:

If Drew wrote the book before this, that doesn't affect it's accuracy. Actually, writing the book BEFORE the game increases it's degree of accuracy: The devs could then draw their own imaginary line and square the goal PERFFECTLY to it, instead of having to find a point that already exists and make a cypher to lead to it's general direction.

The ONLY question to ask yourself is:

Do you belief it's a compass, or a general gesture?

I personally believe it is a signpost ,, Formidine Rift -----> thataway

 

[TheyCallMeGunny]

I personally believe it is a signpost ,, Formidine Rift -----> thataway

Exactly. It was a storyteller going "over yonder lies interesting stuff."

 

[ArmoredMeat]

Couldnt you also rule out any destination that would be out of reach of the longest jump range of the ships from launch? I dont think anyone needs to be using the FSD boost.

 

[ArmoredMeat]

While reading galnet i did a search on the coin left behind on Kahina's ship, the Seven Veils.

Search for Salome told me she was a dancing woman whose dance was call Dance of the Seven Vails.

Spoiler

Salome is often identified with the dancing woman from the New Testament (Mark 6:17-29 andMatthew 14:3-11, where, however, her name is not given). Christian traditions depict her as an icon of dangerous female seductiveness, notably in regard to the dance mentioned in the New Testament, which is thought to have had an erotic element to it, and in some later transformations it has further been iconized as the Dance of the Seven Veils. Other elements of Christian tradition concentrate on her lighthearted and cold foolishness that, according to the gospels, led to John the Baptist's death. (Mark 6:25-27; Matthew 14:8-11)

In the last galnet entry the Seven Veils is mentioned to be stripped of all valuable equipment. What do you know when looking up origin of the dance we get...

Spoiler

Bentley notes that the Babylonian goddess Ishtar "performed the first documented striptease" when she descended into the underworld in search of Tammuz. Ishtar had to "relinquish her jewels and robes at each of the seven gates to the underworld until she stands naked in the 'land of no return.' Oscar Wilde assigned this symbolic descent to the underworld of the unconscious, a ceremony that equates stripping naked to being in a state of truth, the ultimate unveiling, to Salome.

It seems our Drew Wagar is a Oscar Wilde reader.

Its probably nothing but wanted to share some of the stuff i found while falling down this rabbit hole. [alien]

 

[ArmoredMeat]

reading through his guidebook to Reclamation, i think in his post when he says the core of the problem he might be referring to the core worlds.

Spoiler

Elite: Reclamation is set far from the closeted,predictable safety of the Core Worlds. The Prism
system is some 80 light-years out from the centre of
human inhabited space.
• This was a deliberate choice as I wanted a rather
lawless and frontier feel to my story, something I
didn’t think could be achieved in the Core.

 

[Jaiotu]

What if the same applies to the reorte-riedquat line too...

Just saying: I'd be very keen to know if those systems were placed when Drew wrote his book; and whether he knew where they were either. Judging by the content, quite a lot of things he imagined are different from the game we're playing now.

So if they weren't placed, or he wasn't aware of where they were, then there's absolutely no guarantee this is the right place to be looking. Might be worth trying to get some clarity on this point.

And what if it's beyond bovomit?

Reorte and Riedquat pre-exist Elite: Dangerous. Their positions in 3D space are established in Frontier: Elite 2 and Frontier: First Encounters, are they not? I haven't fired up my old copy of either game in a long time so I haven't personally verified it but I suspect they are in the same spacial coordinates in Elite: Dangerous as they were in the previous games... so Drew's ability to be certain that the R/R line points to the Rift should be spot on. I'll fire-up First Encounters later this week to verify.

 

[mnenomic77]

Not sure if anyone has suggested the following but following on from using the Heart and Soul nebulae as some kind of navigational aide I did the following: On the galaxy map, navigate to the the Heart and Soul nebulae, you'll see there is a gap between the two nebulae clouds, keep going through that gap and then on the far side of H&S and look back towards the bubble ("watch your 6" and "ahem, core of the problem") from this position you can align things in such a way that the bubble (in my case conveniently indicated by stored ships markers) sits nicely within that gap. I was thinking that by keeping the sight of the bubble (core?) in between the two nebulae clouds as you travel outwards towards (and beyond) the edge of the spiral arm gives a rather tight area to search? An alternative to the RR line perhaps ?

 

[Muetdhiver]

That's what I keep saying,

From #1034:
Something has been bugging me, the old lady states "but I got as far as the Formidine Rift," not across, "No one has gone past it and lived to tell the tale." so if she only got to the Rift then how does she know that we need to cross it and get to the edge of the galactic arm. "Edge of the Galactic Arm. Take a line from Reorte to Riedquat to the edge of the arm and ... keep going". Unless she is referring only to the Perseus arm as being the edge, and whatever IT is lies within the Rift? The serious stuff she saw out there can only be at the edge of the Rift, Perseus side if we take her account logically.

Am I missing something here?

EDIT: Unless #2, the Rift is the interstellar void after our galaxy ends, the true void. So the Rift maybe after the edge of the new Outer Arm and beyond...?

The more I think about the RR line, the more I think it's a pointer to where to start the search. For the rift, in astronomy is a bunch of dark clouds.
Since the gap between the perseus arm and the outer arm is filled with those, I am inclined to think that the gap between the arms is the formidine rift.

Also, going along the RR line does not seems to provide objects that would relate to the other clues.
IMO it would find it silly that solving the puzzle is best done by brute force.

IIRC, nothing strange has been found along the RR line, and several CMDR's have gone quite far along it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Rift_(astronomy)

 

[Jaiotu]

The more I think about the RR line, the more I think it's a pointer to where to start the search. For the rift, in astronomy is a bunch of dark clouds.
Since the gap between the perseus arm and the outer arm is filled with those, I am inclined to think that the gap between the arms is the formidine rift.

Also, going along the RR line does not seems to provide objects that would relate to the other clues.
IMO it would find it silly that solving the puzzle is best done by brute force.

IIRC, nothing strange has been found along the RR line, and several CMDR's have gone quite far along it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Rift_(astronomy)

[TINFOIL]If the rift in astronomy is caused by dark gas clouds obscuring the view of the Milky Way... then maybe the Formidine Rift is on the other side of 7 dark nebulae that effectively veil the Core of the galaxy (or the Core worlds) when the observer turns 180 degrees along the R/R line?[/TINFOIL]

 

[Dielos]

I have explored the end of the RR line at the end of the outer arm for a bit and couldn't find anything, and so have others.

I suspect every time more that the line is just a general pointer to the rift, which extends quite a bit farther east than what we are searching.

I believe we still need to unlock some clue, and narrow our search further...

I'm slowly heading towards the end of the outer arm now, to align with H&S. Although I don't expect we'll find anything until one of the theories is proven right and the code broken. Just too big an area to search...

 

[Han_Zen]

Reorte and Riedquat pre-exist Elite: Dangerous. Their positions in 3D space are established in Frontier: Elite 2 and Frontier: First Encounters, are they not? I haven't fired up my old copy of either game in a long time so I haven't personally verified it but I suspect they are in the same spacial coordinates in Elite: Dangerous as they were in the previous games... so Drew's ability to be certain that the R/R line points to the Rift should be spot on. I'll fire-up First Encounters later this week to verify.

Reorte, Riedquat and the rest of the 'Old World' cluster were in a totally different position in the FE2/FFE galaxy. They were actually located 'Dow and left' of Facece, on the old galaxy map. I guess they were moved for story reasons. Mainly to put them in Alliance space, not Imperial space.

 

[Muetdhiver]

[TINFOIL]If the rift in astronomy is caused by dark gas clouds obscuring the view of the Milky Way... then maybe the Formidine Rift is on the other side of 7 dark nebulae that effectively veil the Core of the galaxy (or the Core worlds) when the observer turns 180 degrees along the R/R line?[/TINFOIL]

The thought crossed my mind, but then you have to consider :

• These nebulas are ~300 lyr from sol, so very close. At this distance, the region has been trampled by explorers. If anything strange was there I think it would have been found by now.
• These dark nebulas are already called the great rift.

Also, there are a lot of clues pointing to Cassiopeia, which is in the opposite direction.

That being said, having a look cannot hurt

 

[Zieman]

Reorte and Riedquat pre-exist Elite: Dangerous. Their positions in 3D space are established in Frontier: Elite 2 and Frontier: First Encounters, are they not? I haven't fired up my old copy of either game in a long time so I haven't personally verified it but I suspect they are in the same spacial coordinates in Elite: Dangerous as they were in the previous games... so Drew's ability to be certain that the R/R line points to the Rift should be spot on. I'll fire-up First Encounters later this week to verify.

The "Old Worlds" were elsewhere in FE2/FFE. And the FE2/FFE Galaxy was flattened.

In FE2/FFE, if you look at the Galaxy map from 'above', and have Sol-Achenar line so that Achenar lies at the bottom of the screen ('south'), Lave et al lie to WSW of Achenar. Sol (0,0) - Achenar (1,-4) - Lave (-3,-6).

 

[Jaiotu]

The thought crossed my mind, but then you have to consider :

• These nebulas are ~300 lyr from sol, so very close. At this distance, the region has been trampled by explorers. If anything strange was there I think it would have been found by now.
• These dark nebulas are already called the great rift.

Also, there are a lot of clues pointing to Cassiopeia, which is in the opposite direction.

That being said, having a look cannot hurt

Not exactly what I'm saying or at least what I'm trying to communicate.

What I meant was that we follow the R/R line to a point where there are seven dark nebulae between that point along the R/R line which effectively blot out the galactic core. When we're at that spot maybe we're in the ballpark where we need to go looking. That spot would be well within the area of what we are calling the Rift.

I'm not at all suggesting that we search inside these dark nebulae themselves... just that by positioning ourselves along the R/R line and having these hypothetical nebulae aligned between us and the galactic core might help narrow down which point along the infinite R/R line would be a good spot to begin searching.

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Reorte, Riedquat and the rest of the 'Old World' cluster were in a totally different position in the FE2/FFE galaxy. They were actually located 'Dow and left' of Facece, on the old galaxy map. I guess they were moved for story reasons. Mainly to put them in Alliance space, not Imperial space.

Interesting. I did not realize that. Been a long, long time since I played FFE. I just assumed that Frontier would have maintained better continuity.

 

[drew]

The FE2 and FFE maps were unable to have realistic star locations due to technical limitations unfortunately.

Cheers,

Drew.

 

[Muetdhiver]

Not exactly what I'm saying or at least what I'm trying to communicate.

What I meant was that we follow the R/R line to a point where there are seven dark nebulae between that point along the R/R line which effectively blot out the galactic core. When we're at that spot maybe we're in the ballpark where we need to go looking. That spot would be well within the area of what we are calling the Rift.

I'm not at all suggesting that we search inside these dark nebulae themselves... just that by positioning ourselves along the R/R line and having these hypothetical nebulae aligned between us and the galactic core might help narrow down which point along the infinite R/R line would be a good spot to begin searching.

I see, interesting idea. That would correspond to the centaurus/lupus constellation then (flip of heart and soul in cassiopeia)