The Formidine Rift - Part 2

[Dielos]

Found a strange area, with 6 neutron stars and 4 white dwarfs quite close to each other. Suppose that can be normal, but it is close to the line (eye balled), although way below the galactic plane. Might also be difficult to reach.

Coordinates -12.800, -1.055, -11.400
Reference star: SIGY YW-B D13-0


[EDIT]: Forget it. It seems that at that depth that's normal. It's full of these kind of stars down there. Might see if I can come close to farm a bit!

 

[frostypaw]

Have added it to the POI sheet. Only 2 deg from the RR Line so pretty on target

This makes me squiffy like black holes make the background.

Few more though I doubt as well on target:
HYPOAE AESCS LC-M D7-0
PHROEA HYPA EH-S D5-4
SCHADGOEA II-K D8-0 (aye-aye not one-one K)

but then my eyes started crossing and i briefly debated slave trading so that's enough of that.

 

[lorrad]

Can someone tell me what do you guys expect to find at the rift?

I mean what is the occasion leading u there?

AFIK

This is the second scramble.

The first was before and with the UA discovery and I believe was pretty much set off by this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx6XEVbRYn8

Then the UA's were found closer and then barnacles and interest in the rift went to sleep until this

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=135529&p=3475897&viewfull=1#post3475897

the feather that tickled this boulder to start rolling again and it's been gaining size and momentum ever since.

I know its a lot but reading the entire thread both first and second can be enlightening.

I wonder how much taking clues out of time and context is really a good idea.

Whats really gnawing my thoughts is Drew's comment about assumptions about the characters have been made that need re-examining.
Can't really talk about characters's [whats the plural possessive] characters without reading the book and then can't really talk about them without creating spoilers.

Maybe it's as simple as don't take everything the old lady says as absolute gospel, her brains have been scrambled and she may not have put herself back together too well.

Hassan,, basically a chancer growing up.

Obi wan ben Luko is a short way to put it. Mobius look for the "one", a old man grooming a young princess. He's a man with an agenda and all his flounce and flourish is a deliberate distraction like good 'ol suthern slow-lowing gettin them smart city-slickers to make the fatal mistake of under esteemin y'all. He's the one to really watch me thinks.

Kahina/Salome a well know archetype on the one hand a person formed of duty and obligations and on the other her true self sans all that.

Children of Raxxla story screws that up a bit perhaps, but then it's not really cannon? Or perhaps she'll always struggle with it.

That's as close I as can see to the core of the characters without spoilers.

 

[Frankymole]

Hmm, although that just got me thinking of another definition of "core of the problem". Why not the core of a star, which eventually becomes a neutron star or black hole?

Interestingly, the first extra-solar planets to be discovered were orbiting around neutron stars in two separate systems, far above and below the galactic plane. Neither of them are in ED though...

 

[Kneejo]

Ok, so I went to the rift. There's a gap of about a day in my memory.. I do have strange dreams of things I've never seen before. I'll get back to you when I remember anything

NO, really.. I'm just not up for another day out here.. i'm bored to death, and don't know what to look for. I guess I'm better suited as a combat pilot for the time being.

 

[KG_Jedi]

Hi again people.

Tinfoil hat onhead, got something to think about - it's about Seven Veils.

I googled a lot about it, until i found one reserach article about it connected with greek mythology - with Seven Pleiades Sisters OR Seven Stars in Ursae Minoris to be exact. Article -http://hans.wyrdweb.eu/about-pleiades-or-how-a-fool-destroyed-paradise/

Here i'm gonna quote some related parts:
"The Big Bear and the Little Bear relate to two Starsystems Ursa Major (The Big Dipper) and Ursa Minor (The Little Dipper).

The Little Dipper contains The Pole Star. The Pole Star was the “Old” center of the Galaxy until the scientists of the old civilizations discovered the Precession Cycle. At that time the Sun Cycle and the Cycle of the Axis Mundi were balanced.

hesperidesIn early Greek mythology, the seven stars of the Little Dipper were considered to be the Hesperides, also daughters of Atlas. They were Nymphs who were protecting the Seven Apples in Paradise. Someday a Fool (Heracles) stole the Apples and the World got into big trouble because Atlas could not hold it anymore."

This could make some sense, since "veil" means sort of cover, covering something.

Another quote:
"The last link I want to make is the link to Mary Magdalena. Mary is of the town Magdela or Migdal which was known as the Village of the Doves, a place where Sacred Doves were bred for the Goddess Temple of Isis.

Isis has many names like : The Brilliant One in the Sky, The Star of the Sea and She Who Knows How To Make Right Use of the Heart. Her dance of the Seven veils corresponds with the seven stars of the Pleiades."

Now i gotta dig into Mary Magdalena's story, maybe it can lead us somewhere. Also got to look at Hespherides story. There could be somethibg related to them, like set of 7 stars, "covering" Paradise apples (aka Secret of Rift).

Tinfoil hat offhead.

 

[Muetdhiver]

Got a question for you guys :

With a ship with say 25lyr range, in which places can we cross the gap ?
Is the formidine bridge the only place for this or is there others close to H&S ?

What if (1) : RR line point to the rift, then you have to plot your way accross, but not neccesarly along RR.
Since we know that Kahina had a 25ish range, that might prove usefull in narrowing down where she could have travelled.
That would also fit with the who goes looking : someone with say 35+ lyr range will not see the path, as it can just plow through the rift.

What if (2) : While crossing this/these 25lyr friendly pass we need to look back to the core/watch our six for some wierd stuff*.

I noticed that the gap is filled with dark clouds, but they are not dark enough to block the light from the core. Maybe by looking back along this
specific 25lyr friendly path one reveals a dark patch as dark as the coalsack for example (that really blocks the light from the core).

Finally I think reading the actIV of Oscar Wilde Salomé may not be a bad idea.

 

[TheyCallMeGunny]

-snip- I guess I'm better suited as a combat pilot for the time being.

I thought so, too. Then I got back to the bubble, and found myself feeling lost. I came back out and found all kinds of wonderful mysteries.

if I never find the Rift, at least I've found enough to keep me going.

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With a ship with say 25lyr range, in which places can we cross the gap ?
Is the formidine bridge the only place for this or is there others close to H&S ?

With 25ly you can cross anywhere except the Poseidal Wall. From far zoom, it may look sparse but the majority off the rift is actually very dense (often filled with jumps of single digit range.) At the Poseidal Wall, even my ASP with 33.88 range has troubles at times, and I find I had to backtrack significantly.

 

[System Lord]

My revised thoughts:

There are several leads and good theories. Maybe one needs to visit them all, follow Kahina's steps? Maybe even carry a alien object along?
OR
Place a marker to all Cassiopeia stars, Pleiades stars, Polaris, all possible leads and see if that brings any pointer or other hint about the next step?

 

[Legacy_LuckyLuke]

I know its a lot but reading the entire thread both first and second can be enlightening.

Agreed. Everyone should try and read both threads back-to-back before making a single post. It would help stop us keep going over old ground, but also a great source of information and background.

I'm making something of a journal that contains the major thoughts and discoveries contained within. I'll try and rationalise is down for a TL;DR; version Achenar can stick on the first or second post of this thread.

 

[goemon]

being a bad boy/not reading entire threads - this struck my eyes... might be related:

Mike Brookes also mentioned something tantalizing in a stream not long ago about how there were things to find by flying away from certain systems (off the solar plane) in SC, but as far as he is aware, nobody has found them yet... whatever they are.

This one is going to be a needle in a galaxy sized haystack though without more clues. Even if all explorers started flying off the plane for thousands of LS in every system they came to, chances of finding what he was referring to are terribly small.

 

[Dielos]

being a bad boy/not reading entire threads - this struck my eyes... might be related:

Interested to know what he might have meant with flying off the plane. From the system?

I very often leave the ship in SC in a random direction while I do other things like forum or work in the second monitor, so I still have the game in-view. I have managed to hit distances to the local star of up to 0.53ly at one time, although usually I get to 0.11-0.30. I have never spotted anything yet so far out, not even a random SS.

Granted though that I often spend a lot of this time scouring the galactic map, so I could as well have missed anything that might have popped up...


And what those certain systems might be...

 

[Legacy_LuckyLuke]

Yeah it was a nice theory.

Just have to find an other one now

Why do we think it is dead? A lot of things seemed to line up about it. I would really love to know if Cass A exists in the game regardless... I wonder if it is indeed a neutron star now. Though I'd hope it to be labelled 'Cassiopeia A' after we discovery scan it, otherwise we'd never know!

I'm slowly making my way towards the rift, and through the book Elite Reclamation. Great book if anyone hasn't got it yet.

Spoiler

In the scene where Salomé meets Luko for the first time, a couple of things stood out: Luko tells Kahina more about the 'Frontier' and that all she needs is 'wanderlust' to discover what's out there.

Considering Luko is somewhat of a mentor figure in the story, I thought the choice of words interesting in light of Drew's recent hints (And spoke to me somewhat too )

Here is a transcript of part their conversation (I hope Drew doesn't mind me reproducing):

Spoiler

Luko pointed a finger at her triumphantly. Salomé glared back at him.

'The edge of space,' Luko repeated, his eyes bright with triumph. 'There it is. Your heart's desire. Exploring, amongst the stars. The bliss of travel without pressure. The Frontier is calling you.'

'Don't be ridiculous. I want no such thing.'

Luko's face retained it's irritating but knowing grin.

'Yes. Yes you do. I see it in your eyes. This look ... I know this look. The Frontier has cast its spell ... sooner or later ...'

A vision of space swam across her mind. The view from the cockpit of Hassan's ship, how it had taken her breath away with myriad distant stars. The view across the city; lit by sunlight as they descended to land. The atmosphere fading from azure to black as they launched, leaving mundane planetside folks behind. Just a handful of worlds she had seen so far, each so different from the next. New worlds, an almost infinite number of places she had never seen. Yet out there, too many to count, let alone visit.

Explore the Frontier.

'Beyond the Frontier', Luko whispered. 'Who knows what is there? Worlds, civilisations ... possibilities. Only the bravest venture into the unknown, far beyond the core worlds, seeking ... who knows what you might find?'

Salomé felt her heart stir at his words. It resonated with something deep inside her, a wanderlust.

To go out there, searching...

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Place a marker to all Cassiopeia stars, Pleiades stars, Polaris, all possible leads and see if that brings any pointer or other hint about the next step?

I have also wondered if we were able to place markers on all the prominent star systems and then viewed the map from afar, it would point to something significant.

Apparently markers will come in 2.1, and one of the thing that Drew hinted 'will make this easier' ...

 

[goemon]

Interested to know what he might have meant with flying off the plane. From the system?

I very often leave the ship in SC in a random direction while I do other things like forum or work in the second monitor, so I still have the game in-view. I have managed to hit distances to the local star of up to 0.53ly at one time, although usually I get to 0.11-0.30. I have never spotted anything yet so far out, not even a random SS.

Granted though that I often spend a lot of this time scouring the galactic map, so I could as well have missed anything that might have popped up...


And what those certain systems might be...

the thing is, we always took the line to draw to find the formedine rift AS A LINE OF SYSTEMS.

it might be A LINE TO BE FLOWN IN SC.

 

[Legacy_LuckyLuke]

the thing is, we always took the line to draw to find the formedine rift AS A LINE OF SYSTEMS.

it might be A LINE TO BE FLOWN IN SC.

I'm fairly sure someone already tried this from Reorte to Reidquat and also the other way round.

 

[stocko1111]

the thing is, we always took the line to draw to find the formedine rift AS A LINE OF SYSTEMS.

it might be A LINE TO BE FLOWN IN SC.

A couple of commanders have tried this between Reorte and Reidquat and came up empty. After that it's all just guesswork as to which system to try next.

 

[Muetdhiver]

Not a bad idea. Here is the version of the clue list I use :

Primary clues (reliable) :

• The Kahina name ethymology : berber queen - soothsayer/priestess. Berber where called "white aethiopians" at greek times => Cassiopeia link ?
• Salomé name : link with the dance of the seven veils, there is the 'biblical' version and the Oscar Wilde play, and an other link with Ishtar and the seven gates.
• The name of the ship, "seven veil" : links with Salomé, could refer to a star discarding stuff, or crossing seven "gates" to reach the destination.
• One need to plot a way through the rift.
• Finding it depends on who goes looking : Could the use of a ship with the clipper range narrow down the search area ?
• We should consider the "core" of the problem : look at the galactic core, look for a stellar core, reconsider what is the central issue of the puzzle.
• Future hints will make things less "nebulous" : potential link with a nebula or dark cloud ?

Primary clue, may be unreliable/deliberatly missleading (old lady) :

• Rift is along the RR line.
• We need to "keep going".

Secondary clues (maybe clues, or not) :

• Kahina tours the outer gas giants in sol : potential pointer to greek mythos, in particular Neptune+Triton+nereids => Cassiopeia
• Kahina goes to London and Cambridge : Cambridge is close to the greenwich meridian, there is the Cambridge radio-source catalog (3C catalog).
• The Prism system and link to greek mythos : all names revolve around Autolycus, whom is one of the argonauts.
• Sol visit was most enlightening : could refer to a bright light source (radio, visible or X-ray)
• Kahina leaves her tiara along with the dark Wheel Salomé medalion.

Tinfoil clue :

• At some point, Drew made a puzzle arround eb, p => ro, c via a Rot13 hinted by an sequence of dots read in unary (13,1,26 IIRC)
• In reclamation, coordinates are supposed to be at the end of the message, but there are none. Message ends with "Good luck, and ... right on, Commander." which could be seen as three coordinates separated by commas. Using unary format as in "eb,p => ro, c" Drew puzzle (counting characters) it gives : 44 , 3352, 10

 

[System Lord]

A couple of commanders have tried this between Reorte and Reidquat and came up empty. After that it's all just guesswork as to which system to try next.

Maybe they need to start from Riedquat and go away from Reorte? This is something I've been thinking myself.

Currently I'm far beyond the Eta Carinae nebula and going further, so I can't test it myself (unless I find angry Thargoids that blow me up and back to civilization).

 

[stocko1111]

Maybe they need to start from Riedquad and go away from Reorte? This is something I've been thinking myself.

Currently I'm far beyond the Eta Carinae nebula and going further, so I can't test it myself (unless I find angry Thargoids that blow me up and back to civilization).

It would certainly be worth a go if anyone's in the bubble.

 

[frostypaw]

A few critical things to add there - it's not said anywhere that it's on the other side of the rift - only that you reach it and keep going to where the stars thin out and the galaxy is just hanging there.

Plus with talk of 'core of the issue' and 'seven veils' and 'dark systems removed from humanity's map' even though they say there's no actual dark systems this makes me think we'll find a neutron star claimed to be single that's a binary and the second star is the key system - and if such a thing appears to be in a nebula get very excited indeed, but no nebulae show over there on the map.

But if you could just not find it for a bit longer until I head out that'd be grand lovely cheers