Why FD doesn't release information sooner

Calebe · Apr 14, 2016

Today we got some information on some of the changes going into the 2.1 upgrade. Lasers that heal and what happens? Posts how this is bad, how people are disappointed. It is leading to people saying this will doom the game (the holy trinity is back). etc.. etc.. etc..
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So now FD reads the posts a lot of positive and of course the negative and I am sure are wondering why did we bother to tell them anything all some can do is complain without knowing much about the coming changes.
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Let me predict the future.
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Is that all the healing does? Hardly anything, why bother. Wait it heals to much. Game broken I won't play it ever again. What is that NPC's heal each other and I play in solo, I quit. The game is now to easy. The game is now to hard. The game is dead.
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There will also be the posts the changes are great. Love it. Fantastic this is what I have been waiting for.
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Long story short FD can't ever win. However I agree with them remaining silent as much as I hate it because some can't help but complain without knowing a thing except the bare basics.
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Calebe

tibononoX · Apr 14, 2016

I agree, seeing these people actually complain without even knowing how these lasers works is just sad.
FDev have done an amazing work here, it'll be even more amazing with 2.1.

They won't make the game worse, they will just improve it.

Flash_Baggins · Apr 14, 2016

Well summarised. Actually the beams I think will encourage wings. As long as they dont heal hull and are worse in other ways I think they will be a good addition to the game

xondk · Apr 14, 2016

There will always be people that complain left right and center about almost every single change that comes to...most any game, people predict downfall breaking games even further, bringing more bugs, nothing fixed and so on and so forth, as was mentioned by the devs, it means people are passionate about it, which is a good thing, but it does get frustrating, focusing on the 0.01% that might go wrong rather then the 99.99% that might go right.

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Flash_Baggins said:
Well summarised. Actually the beams I think will encourage wings. As long as they dont heal hull and are worse in other ways I think they will be a good addition to the game

Well it does say in the image it is only shield, so I think people are throwing up a storm over nothing.

Enderby · Apr 14, 2016

I find it amusing that so many people here get so hurt when someone says bad things about the game.

peteuplink · Apr 14, 2016

I find it amazing that so many people here get so hurt when FD says anything about the game.

Ian Phillips · Apr 14, 2016

xondk said:
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Well it does say in the image it is only shield, so I think people are throwing up a storm over nothing.

Well thats a new departure for the forums!

Ian Skippy · Apr 14, 2016

Its kinda sad, but I guess for some of the chronic complainers its become a bit of a Pavlov response to any news, any time, about anything. I read the post of Zac and thought "boy, people must be excited about the news." You pop in general forum and the usual sour faces are just randomly imagining stuff again and then railing against the own figments of their imagination. Quite odd.

Aewarin Jameson · Apr 14, 2016

sleutelbos said:
Its kinda sad, but I guess for some of the chronic complainers its become a bit of a Pavlov response to any news, any time, about anything. I read the post of Zac and thought "boy, people must be excited about the news." You pop in general forum and the usual sour faces are just randomly imagining stuff again and then railing against the own figments of their imagination. Quite odd.

I am a grumpy old man most of the time and I read the news with excitement - new toys for people to play with.

(Plus all the other enhancements that are coming - can only be good, right ?!)

PiLhEaD · Apr 14, 2016

Calebe said:
...I agree with them remaining silent as much as I hate it because some can't help but complain...

Indeed, see the fable of the scorpion and the frog. Or if you prefer, Rocks by Primal Scream...

[video=youtube;Z3ZCZjhjguA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3ZCZjhjguA[/video]

...even if it's not a direct comparison, it is a STONKING good song... ...honey...

Bazorlag · Apr 14, 2016

Soo... OP posts a toxic rant against supposedly toxic ranting?

SpeakerToAliens · Apr 14, 2016

I just wish they'd fix the bugs before adding more bells and whistles (especially when some of the new bells and whistles are themselves broken <sigh>).

Aewarin Jameson · Apr 14, 2016

Calebe said:
However I agree with them remaining silent as much as I hate it because some can't help but complain without knowing a thing except the bare basics.

I am but the opposite - I prefer it when FD release information as it gives the happy-clappy club something to shout about; those on the fence a smile; and grumpy people like me hope.

As for the rest of the doom-mongers .. nothing's going to cheer them up!

Ian Skippy · Apr 14, 2016

SpeakerToAliens said:
I just wish they'd fix the bugs before adding more bells and whistles (especially when some of the new bells and whistles are themselves broken <sigh>).

Yeah, because the past major patches never fixed older bugs. <sigh>

PvtTUX · Apr 14, 2016

I'm looking forward to it and the rest of the updates, as for the rest, well it's the internet after all.

Brian of Ardagh · Apr 14, 2016

I just heard about it; I don't know much about it, but I don't like it!

"I used to be with it, but they changed what it was. Now what I'm with isn't it, and what is it seems weird and scary to me" -- Abe Simpson

Alex Brentnall · Apr 14, 2016

Calebe said:
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Totally agree. Sadly there's no way to stop stupidity.

I'd personally prefer a hidden "news" section where longer term news is given to "trusted" people selected by the moderation team and/or dev team. People that have been on the forums a long time, or were in DDF or are constructive/helpful.... Basically what I'm saying is build a closed/hidden DDF again. I mean there's the player groups one. No reason not to have a DDF one really, anyone that leaks news to the main forums gets booted, probably a few other rules to make it work out.

All others have to either put the time in to contribute positively to the community or be "vouched for" and get recognised. If they are unwilling to be a positive force then they have to deal with the usual news release schedule. Note: Disagreeing but offering reasoning and viable alternate suggestions is very positive imo, this shouldn't just be a gushing "we love everything" forums.

CMDR Corlas · Apr 14, 2016

Eh, I think this is the one time I've really complained a lot about something here. I'm generally pretty positive. But hey, the thread asked for opinions, and I had some.

I think healing lasers are dumb sounding, but I don't expect the devs to change course to suit my tastes. I'm gonna be disappointed, and it's going to bug me when I see them in action, but that's what happens sometimes.

I do expect, now that I'm less in-the-moment, that FD is smart enough to implement them in a relatively balanced way. But I also expect that this means the people who were really excited for them will be disappointed and start complaining themselves.

I think that that's also healthy for a game, in a way. It means you have invested fans who care about the world you've made. No game is ever going to make everyone happy, that's an unrealistic goal. I think the ideal would be to have everyone happy most of the time, which also implies everyone unhappy part of the time. I've been happy for a long time. Probably well due my turn to be unhappy.

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Alex Brentnall said:
Disagreeing but offering reasoning and viable alternate suggestions is very positive imo, this shouldn't just be a gushing "we love everything" forums.

I fully agree here, and in my defense (as it seems I was the most vocal complainer about this, at least in the two threads I was in), I did try to offer my reasons, ways to avoid what I was worried about, and viable alternatives that (to me) seem more fitting of the game world.

SCB hauling limpets are probably never going to happen and I'll be stuck with healing lasers, but I still have hope for hull-repair limpets that use ore from your cargo hold. (Repair Rats! And use for rings other than metallic!)

ZeeWolf · Apr 14, 2016

Sounds like a very niche' device that must be specifically sought out under certain circumstances and require you to be playing in a group to benefit from. Also don't understand how everyone can be drawing any conclusions at this stage.

This time last year similar conclusions were drawn when the details of power-play specific items were announced. Things that just never become a thing in most people's game experience. Wild speculation on particular circumstances that will arise if a particular set of things are drawn out on paper.

Probably the same people that constantly complain there is nobody else in the game anyway and nothing to do

CMDR Corlas · Apr 14, 2016

ZeeWolf said:
Sounds like a very niche' device that must be specifically sought out under certain circumstances and require you to be playing in a group to benefit from. Also don't understand how everyone can be drawing any conclusions at this stage.

This time last year similar conclusions were drawn when the details of power-play specific items were announced. Things that just never become a thing in most people's game experience. Wild speculation on particular circumstances that will arise if a particular set of things are drawn out on paper.

Probably the same people that constantly complain there is nobody else in the game anyway and nothing to do

I think when you look at it in terms of common gameplay mechanics and look at it in light of experience with those mechanics across a wide variety of games, it's entirely fair to draw some basic conclusions about where things could go. Those conclusions of course may or may not be accurate, and it depends largely on the degree to which the particular mechanic is implemented, but that doesn't make speculating inherently wrong.

If you heard that someone was making "Chess 2.0; now with dice rolls!", you could speculate with some certainty that dice would add some element of chance to the game, and if you enjoyed the strategy of chess, I think it would be fully legitimate to state that you don't like where that could be heading.

For the record, I love the game, have lots to do, and don't even PvP.