The Formidine Rift - Part 2

[Legacy_LuckyLuke]

Thanks. Myth busted.
Thought it was too good to be true

Thing is though, even if we could scan the data, what could we do with it? Unless one of the improvements in 2.1 is the ability to see where you have been already. Though I suppose it could be used to boost explorer rank when sold.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Ok Rifters - I am thinking there are several "threads" of clues going on... I am seeing possible secret science stations near Lave, a lost generation ship outside of Tianve... To be honest, I think most of the "eggs" are in the populated worlds but... Looking at the FFE Journals (specifically the KIDNAP 1-4) and really Just to make Dom happy - you might try looking for a Space Whale between the Bubble Nebula and the Heart Nebulae ... something to do with french

French fries? Space whale with fries - the thought is making me peckish. Where's the nearest MacSpaceBurger?
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I assumed rank-locked referred to faction rank, not pilot federation rank. However, point taken. I will point out though that this thread is nigh on 200 pages long. ;p

The summary is maintained on the first page

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Im thinking its more aimed at people who have played earlier versions of elite / oolite /FFE etc ... references that they would get

Well I got to Elite in 1985 in the first game; I can assure you it isn't helping me now in the slightest!
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[Jaiotu]

Thing is though, even if we could scan the data, what could we do with it? Unless one of the improvements in 2.1 is the ability to see where you have been already. Though I suppose it could be used to boost explorer rank when sold.

With the changes to the galaxy map ... maybe they could have a POI bookmark added to your map after you scan the data. Following the scan data like a treasure map could lead you to something worth finding.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

For those looking for Drew hints it's quicker to trawl through this https://forums.frontier.co.uk/search.php?searchid=8075605 than this threadnaught and have a think yourself.. Stops you getting infected by other CMDR's old tinfoil too

I believe in certain parts of Riedquat there is a particular market for old tinfoil- the more used the better

or so I heard

;-))

 

[Legacy_LuckyLuke]

Hang on to your data guys. I'm predicting there will be a CG soon to create a new galactic power from a current player faction.

Sorry I'm talking absolute nonesense. I didn't see the dangerous games thread had already been updated with the player factions. I'm even more surprised that CoR isn't among them. I thought it an obvious choice given Drew once said Salomé was in the running to be one of the faces of power play sometime ago. Oh well. I suppose one of the CGs could still be an exploration one if anyone here supported one of those factions.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=243226

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Ya I just think that if we accept that there is no rank or any constraints on finding them then why say it depends on who goes looking ... I think its because the references relate to oolite / old elite ... But ya ... I havent had much luck with that yet anyway cheers !

I think in colloquial English it means it depends on how sheer d****d bloody persistent you are, and how patient/inventive you are in pursuing the clues. Doesn't have to have any hidden/deeper meaning; though of course it may have...
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[Qohen Leth]

Goofin' around with the galmap once again, I took lots of screenies to find the boundaries of the drop in star density. Thus I could draw a 'broadly correct' map of what I'm convinced is the Rift, at least more than the huge area highlighted by Erimus. The survey was made around Y = -48, where there is the denser layer of stars in this area, and using the M* filter.

This map is the largest possible, based on the FGE's largest file ; I added Erimus' map and RR line, and superimposed my own map over it.

α > ENTRY SYSTEM 1 : QIEDIA OV-L B0 ___ -9,100 : -65 : -6,180

α' > ENTRY SYSTEM 2 : PHROEA HYPA PJ-Y C17-0 ___ -7,685 : -25 : -6,700

β > EXIT SYSTEM : SYREADIAE AK-H B30-0 ___ -9,340 : -65 : -6,820

Δ = 686ly in-game.

I'm currently trying to find a path from β, but only dead ends as of now. I set -for now- a cap at 30-sthg ly per jump. Not sure how this will turn out.

The Map is 4,000 x 3,000 px, enough to work with. Providing a transparent map if you want to work with it.

Map : http://i.imgur.com/jo77Kv4.png

Transparent map : http://i.imgur.com/iMvxYa0.png

 

[simulacrae]

I think in colloquial English it means it depends on how sheer d****d bloody persistent you are, and how patient/inventive you are in pursuing the clues. Doesn't have to have any hidden/deeper meaning; though of course it may have...
)

totally agree

 

[Jaiotu]

Sorry I'm talking absolute nonesense. I didn't see the dangerous games thread had already been updated with the player factions. I'm even more surprised that CoR isn't among them. I thought it an obvious choice given Drew once said Salomé was in the running to be one of the faces of power play sometime ago. Oh well. I suppose one of the CGs could still be an exploration one if anyone here supported one of those factions.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=243226

They say there is still room for one final group to participate as a "Wildcard".

There is room for one final group to participate in the final event. As a wildcard or people’s choice, this faction will have earned their place in The Dangerous Games through their ability to rally Commanders to their cause.

In order to ensure there is a smooth running of the main event, we will be holding a The Dangerous Games: Wildcard event after the Horizons 2.1 beta. Five factions will compete in the Wildcard event. (see below for further details). During the beta there will be an opportunity for groups to get ready through various story writing, lore, combat zones in beta and more as we prepare for the wildcard event.

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Goofin' around with the galmap once again, I took lots of screenies to find the boundaries of the drop in star density. Thus I could draw a 'broadly correct' map of what I'm convinced is the Rift, at least more than the huge area highlighted by Erimus. The survey was made around Y = -48, where there is the denser layer of stars in this area, and using the M* filter.

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This map is the largest possible, based on the FGE's largest file ; I added Erimus' map and RR line, and superimposed my own map over it.

α > ENTRY SYSTEM 1 : QIEDIA OV-L B0 ___ -9,100 : -65 : -6,180

α' > ENTRY SYSTEM 2 : PHROEA HYPA PJ-Y C17-0 ___ -7,685 : -25 : -6,700

β > EXIT SYSTEM : SYREADIAE AK-H B30-0 ___ -9,340 : -65 : -6,820

Δ = 686ly in-game.

I'm currently trying to find a path from β, but only dead ends as of now. I set -for now- a cap at 30-sthg ly per jump. Not sure how this will turn out.

The Map is 4,000 x 3,000 px, enough to work with. Providing a transparent map if you want to work with it.

Map : http://i.imgur.com/jo77Kv4.png

Transparent map : http://i.imgur.com/iMvxYa0.png

http://i.imgur.com/jo77Kv4.png

Great map!

 

[Legacy_LuckyLuke]

Stops you getting infected by other CMDR's old tinfoil too

Old tinfoil's the best kind of tinfoil

 

[hiciacit]

I think he's referring to Oolite with a few references in his book but they were just nods to Oolite, including the "friendliest place this side of Riedquat" which was from the Oolite forums - mentioned here = https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=239212&p=3771457&viewfull=1#post3771457 - I may be wrong though.. Maybe he used that nod to also hide a clue, but the phrase came before ED was created so he would have had to crowbar it in a fair bit if it's actually a clue as to where to look

For sure a nod to the Oolite forum, but it was never confirmed whether there any real importance should be given to the way the line is delivered in the Reclamation epilogue. See here: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=239212&page=136&p=3767837#post3767837
I'd really like to hear from Drew about this, as the implications for the Reorte-Riedquat line are enormous. And it seems to me there are easier ways to insert this Oolite reference in the book (for instance when the old woman is talking in the hospital).

 

[Jaiotu]

For sure a nod to the Oolite forum, but it was never confirmed whether there any real importance should be given to the way the line is delivered in the Reclamation epilogue. See here: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=239212&page=136&p=3767837#post3767837
I'd really like to hear from Drew about this, as the implications for the Reorte-Riedquat line are enormous. And it seems to me there are easier ways to insert this Oolite reference in the book (for instance when the old woman is talking in the hospital).

The simplest explanation is that what appeared on the screen was "Riedquat". That was the term Salome was looking for in the databank.

The actual quote in the book from Salomé is

She said something about plotting a course from Reorte to … ah, there it is!

It seems to me that Salomé was looking for the Riedquat reference and that she found it. It is at that point that Hassan says

‘The friendliest place this side of Riedquat?

Simplest explanation, from my POV is that Salomé found the Riedquat reference she was looking for and that Hassan's comment was related to Riedquat only ... not some other system.

That's the way I read it anyway.

 

[frostypaw]

Goofin' around with the galmap once again, I took lots of screenies to find the boundaries of the drop in star density. Thus I could draw a 'broadly correct' map of what I'm convinced is the Rift, at least more than the huge area highlighted by Erimus. The survey was made around Y = -48, where there is the denser layer of stars in this area, and using the M* filter.

This map is the largest possible, based on the FGE's largest file ; I added Erimus' map and RR line, and superimposed my own map over it.

α > ENTRY SYSTEM 1 : QIEDIA OV-L B0 ___ -9,100 : -65 : -6,180

α' > ENTRY SYSTEM 2 : PHROEA HYPA PJ-Y C17-0 ___ -7,685 : -25 : -6,700

β > EXIT SYSTEM : SYREADIAE AK-H B30-0 ___ -9,340 : -65 : -6,820

Δ = 686ly in-game.

I'm currently trying to find a path from β, but only dead ends as of now. I set -for now- a cap at 30-sthg ly per jump. Not sure how this will turn out.

The Map is 4,000 x 3,000 px, enough to work with. Providing a transparent map if you want to work with it.

Map : http://i.imgur.com/jo77Kv4.png

Transparent map : http://i.imgur.com/iMvxYa0.png

http://i.imgur.com/jo77Kv4.png

This is fantastic work, apart from the yellow forum text we needed to trim down the area and i think the poseidal wall is a more precise indicator than we've reckoned so far - just wish there was a way to link such maps into EDDiscovery so your position was overlaid nicely

Just to clarify what do you mean by M* filter?

 

[hiciacit]

The simplest explanation is that what appeared on the screen was "Riedquat". That was the term Salome was looking for in the databank.

...

Simplest explanation, from my POV is that Salomé found the Riedquat reference she was looking for and that Hassan's comment was related to Riedquat only ... not some other system.

That's the way I read it anyway.

Oolite ref or not, logically the 'friendliest place this side of Riedquat' would not refer to Riedquat itself. And it is clear the quote does not come from Hassan, but he's reading it aloud off the screen because he thinks it's funny: '"Somebody has a sense of humour," Hasan said, scanning the text. "The friendliest place this side of Riedquat? Nice choice ..."'

So either Hassan is referring to Reorte (after Salome mentions it), meaning the full quote would have along the lines of: "Take a line from Reorte, the friendliest place this side of Riedquat, to Riedquat." (Sounds a bit silly to me that way, but ok.) Orrr ... both Salome and Hassan are only reading out loud part of the quote, meaning the full quote would have been something along the lines of: "Take a line from Reorte to SystemX, the friendliest place this side of Riedquat." I interpreted as the latter, implying the old woman in the hospital got her stuff mixed up a bit.

Only Drew would know, I guess.

 

[BL1P]

Cmdr OzTrAlien and Myself Cmdr BL1Ps Scouting mission info #1.

A word from Cmdr OzTrAlien :-

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Having completed a scouting mission to and beyond the Rift, I felt it might help others to share some thoughts of the journey.
Yes, it was just a scouting mission to test ship build and uncover potential concerns which may arise along the way, like jump
range and refueling issues, whilst establishing navigation waypoints for future trips. [ship build link]


The journey was to see if we could cross the rift, with the ship setup to handle planetary landings shortening jump range to
around 34ly when full, with "dozens of lightyears"(36+) attainable by dropping to 1/2 tank or a little less with a safe fuel load
(not including hail mary's). We set out towards the "bridge" to see what it was like to make a crossing in that area, it wasn't
as hard as expected, certainly ships with less jump range would be able to cross and refueling was never an issue. Once on the
other side we headed out to a point along the "RR Line" projection, then made our way back towards the "rift" where the RR line
points, to attempt a crossing there, eventually heading back to the bridge to return home.


Working with the clues we have the "RR Line" certainly brings you to a seemingly impassable area almost void of stars and needs
to be navigated with some care and thought, when either finding a way through or around, at times having to resort to plotting
individual jumps on the map to build a route, as the ship's route plotter was often unable to automatically generate a path
within the area, sometimes plotting hundreds of lightyears sideways to go a few light years ahead was the only way forwards.


Though the question remains, is what we are looking for "within" or "beyond" the rift? ... what i can say is, "You don't know what
I've seen, I've sailed beyond the Formidine Rift"

..looking back @Galaxy while crossing the rift, it's dark within the systems out there.

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..looking back @Galaxy from outer arm... "you can see the whole galaxy just hanging there."

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Logbook entry for Cmdr BL1P :-

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= THE OZBL1PIAN FORMIDINE RIFT SCOUTING MISSION =
==================================================


StarDate : 3302.04.18 20:40:29


Having completed our crossing of the rift via the Formidine Bridge and doing a preliminary search along the RR line to the Outer Arm edge.
We then Attempted a Crossing of the Rift along the RR line towards Sol from the Outer Arm.
This we found to not be possible in our Exploration builds, We did not attempt crossing of the RR towards the Outer Arm vacuus direction though.
We then turned back towards the Bridge once more and crossed the rift on our journey back towards Sol.


Upon Crossing the Rift Oz And Myself have become separated a little bit.I am now some 5-6kly ahead of Oz, due to mechanical problems aboard the Phar Lap.
Which is the name of Oz`s Ship.
So that was when I decided to head towards Phi Cas, In the hopes that Oz could gain some distance back while I went there.


Here are my route notes pertaining to the return crossing and after :-

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STAGE 7 RETURN TO BRIDGE FOR CROSSING
Game map search ref. : NONE
WP1 HYPO AEB GW-E D11-1
WP2 PHOO AEB ZL-R B4-0
WP3 PHOO AEB UJ-I D9-8 (BRIDGE B )
WP4 EAFOTLS CL-P D5-4
WP5 GLUFOA ZY-I B9-0 (BRIDGE A )


STAGE 8 RETURN TO SOTHIS
Game map search ref. : SOTHIS
WP1 GLUFOA XQ-P C5-2 (GETTING COORDS FROM PREV WP STAGE 2.1)
WP2 PHA AIRG NV-P C5-1
WP3 NGC 7790 SECTOR YK-V C3-3
WP4 GLUFEE KT-C B40-4
WP5 HEGOEA KA-A D131
WP6 HEGOI OS-U E2-8
WP7 HEGAA AY-Q C18-22


SPOTTED LARGE CLUSTER OF STARS HEADING TO LOOK
Game map search ref. : 2MASS J02324083+6127598
WP8 HEGAA DV-Y C0
Note :- Checked EDSM and noticed that 2MASS J02324083+6127598 is discoverd changed route back towards home
WP9 HEGAA VE-R E4-5
WP10 OUTOTT NP-T B3-1 changed to SLEGOU MI-B E4 FOR TARGET Phi Cassiopeiae
WP11 PHI CASSIOPEIAE
WP12 HEGAA KG-Y D95

Here is a pic of our route using EDDiscovery

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Here is my profile on EDSM.

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Use the Travel map on the Page that opens to views my travels.
http://www.edsm.net/user/profile/id/7817/cmdr/BL1P

On my trip back towards sol I Decided to call at Phi Cassiopeia, An F class White SuperGiant. I landed on a moon while there.
On route to Phi Cas I also came across a fast spinning Y class and an Earth like with rings.
here are videos of those.

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Jumping into Phi Cas
[video=youtube;C4qHuEJe2V8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4qHuEJe2V8[/video]


Landing on moon Phi Cas
[video=youtube;RyWul7MaIDk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyWul7MaIDk[/video]

Fast spinning Y class
[video=youtube;Ha-Ip9Ar6Yk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha-Ip9Ar6Yk[/video]


Earthlike with rings
[video=youtube;qFBYLGN50s0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFBYLGN50s0[/video]

So... We now return home.
Scout mission was a success, we have a better understanding of the Rift area and feel more confident to return with less fuel tanks but larger jump range.
Once home we shall sell the data to the Universal Cartographics.Then follow up on some Ideas we have on clues.


WARNING Incoming Rant:-

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I Disagree with the Universal Cartographics Policy of keeping all the info for themselfs, I have no option but to sell the data to them or hoard the data for myself.
As the Data collected would be lost if I was to loose my ship at some point hoarding it seems pointless.
I just wish the UC would allow all pilots to access the data that all explorers hand in, I would be happy to pay alot of credits for all data collect on the rift quadrant of space.
This would save Explorers a lot of time if we didn't search systems someone else already searched.
Keep paying small amounts for Systems already explored sure, but alow us to purchase all collected data so far every week/month.
Divide the Data into cubes using the Galmap Grids as the purchasable areas ranging from the Smallest cube to the 10kly Cubes.
Maybe even give royalties to first discovered systems.
Rant over.

BL1P OUT.

 

[Jaiotu]

Oolite ref or not, logically the 'friendliest place this side of Riedquat' would not refer to Riedquat itself. And it is clear the quote does not come from Hassan, but he's reading it aloud off the screen because he thinks it's funny: '"Somebody has a sense of humour," Hasan said, scanning the text. "The friendliest place this side of Riedquat? Nice choice ..."'

So either Hassan is referring to Reorte (after Salome mentions it), meaning the full quote would have along the lines of: "Take a line from Reorte, the friendliest place this side of Riedquat, to Riedquat." (Sounds a bit silly to me that way, but ok.) Orrr ... both Salome and Hassan are only reading out loud part of the quote, meaning the full quote would have been something along the lines of: "Take a line from Reorte to SystemX, the friendliest place this side of Riedquat." I interpreted as the latter, implying the old woman in the hospital got her stuff mixed up a bit.

Only Drew would know, I guess.

You could, of course, be right but this just isn't the way I read it. To me when Hassan says, "Friendliest place this side of Riedquat" he is making a sarcastic comment and repeating a meme based on the non-so-friendly reputation of Riedquat. Kind of like "this side of the Rio Grande" type references. Here's an example from a quick 'google' of the phrase "This side of the Rio Grande":

Best little burrito this side of the Rio Grande
This is the best pizza joint this side of the Rio Grande!
Smartest man this side of the Rio Grande!
Newest Noob this side of the Rio Grande!

 

[Qohen Leth]

This is fantastic work, apart from the yellow forum text we needed to trim down the area and i think the poseidal wall is a more precise indicator than we've reckoned so far - just wish there was a way to link such maps into EDDiscovery so your position was overlaid nicely

Just to clarify what do you mean by M* filter?

Thanks I should add the Wall, once someone gives me precise coords.

M* filter > used the map tab and unticked all stars but M class (most common).

 

[frostypaw]

Thanks

M* filter > used the map tab and unticked all stars but M class (most common).

Gotcha - I have a few default views too, would be nice to be able to set up two settings to switch between. Occasionally there are things to spot in one view to cross reference with the other that become a PITA.

Either way i'm heading around the backside of the Rift to prod it. *ahem* I'm just on the edge of your finer grid now and debating if it's ok to load elite at this hour

 

[Legacy_LuckyLuke]

Oolite ref or not, logically the 'friendliest place this side of Riedquat' would not refer to Riedquat itself. And it is clear the quote does not come from Hassan, but he's reading it aloud off the screen because he thinks it's funny: '"Somebody has a sense of humour," Hasan said, scanning the text. "The friendliest place this side of Riedquat? Nice choice ..."'

I honestly don't think they are referring specifically to the RR line or anything the old lady said. After watching the holofac recording and getting the coordinates in some form or another, they start looking at Galaxy maps to see where the RR line points to. I always assumed Hassan is reading descriptions from a number of systems in that area and that particular one tickles him. And is also Drew throwing a little homage in there.

That's how I read it, anyway

 

[Jaiotu]

I honestly don't think they are referring specifically to the RR line or anything the old lady said. After watching the holofac recording and getting the coordinates in some form or another, they start looking at Galaxy maps to see where the RR line points to. I always assumed Hassan is reading descriptions from a number of systems in that area and that particular one tickles him. And is also Drew throwing a little homage in there.

That's how I read it, anyway

LOL
Three people reading the same text and coming away with three different interpretations of what was going on. Love it. Just shows how much of ourselves we bring along with us while we're reading.