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I've seen that myself. Just a bit of lensing near the star. That star should be in serious trouble.
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I've seen that myself. Just a bit of lensing near the star. That star should be in serious trouble.
If there's a ready source of gas and dust for an accretion disk, if it's part of a binary system perhaps, then you'll get heat damage to go. Otherwise there won't be very much to see at all. The event horizon itself has a temperature as close to absolute zero as makes no difference. The tidal forces close to the event horizon will be the thing that messes you up and won't have any problems reaching through your shields to gradually tear apart your hull. For stellar(ish) mass black holes these will shred you before you can cross the event horizon.
Sag A is big enough for the gravitational gradient to be bearable but you're still going to be stuck inside it, frameshift drive or not. This describes the situation really well. Super boosters aren't going to save you, cos there's nowhere to boost to that isn't heading in the wrong direction :O
http://astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/1007/escaping-a-black-hole
Incidentally, the tidal forces close to a neutron star are pretty strong too, though in that case the heat really is your main concern. Those things are HOT
Sag A is big enough for the gravitational gradient to be bearable but you're still going to be stuck inside it, frameshift drive or not. This describes the situation really well. Super boosters aren't going to save you, cos there's nowhere to boost to that isn't heading in the wrong direction :O
http://astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/1007/escaping-a-black-hole
Incidentally, the tidal forces close to a neutron star are pretty strong too, though in that case the heat really is your main concern. Those things are HOT
White Dwarfs haunt my dreams to this day. Where does the whole Super Massive Blackhole thing come into play with the weakening of tidal forces.
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Tidal forces are a result of the amount of curvature in spacetime, and that's related to how much mass you've crammed into a given volume. So although a really massive black hole is really massive, it's event horizon is actually fairly large - quite a long way from it's centre. Essentially the more massive the black hole, the lower it's density if you consider the volume inside the event horizon. Of course according to current theories, all of it's mass is actually compressed down to a point at the centre - the singularity, but as far as the outside observer's concerned that's all hidden.
Small holes = massive curvature = massive tides. Big holes = less so.
I think complaints were coming more from the fact that all black holes in ED are dormant (do not have superheated accretion disks) and thus have to be extremely cold. Ship overheating near them didn't make sense.
However, I agree that in their current iteration black holes leave a lot to be desired. Including the danger-factor.
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100% correct, as gravity depends on mass. But unlike the game'sblack holes, you can't fly around a star at 100km distance unaffected. You can get even nearer than 100km to the games black holes without breaking a sweat.
And this feels somewhat wrong.
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Well my favourite activity is exploration (Elite). I'm cool with them being way more dangerous - just up the reward for scanning them (significantly). Also I'd be happy if you can't get near them without being destroyed. The intense gravitational lensing, just make it so you can see it before you explode!
best idea i have seen so far
Embrace your desire. You are clearly in tune with the Blackness that inhabits the Void. It is only by entering a Black Hole that we can truly remove the free energy that we contain from this galaxy, locking it up forever. I urge you to spend extended periods of time contemplating and meditating at the edge of the Galaxy to obtain Space Sanity.
It is important to feed Black Holes with matter. The Order of Enblackenment regularly sacrifice occupied escape pods to Black Holes, and self sacrifice is even nobler.
But we still have work to do in hastening the Heat Death of the Universe before we are promoted to Spaghettification.
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I like the Order of Enblackenment - their mission to feed human souls to every black hole in our galaxy perhaps?
It's really not though - they have less gravity than the suns they replaced as they've blown all that mass off into space and what's less is by definition at absolute zero. If light can't escape then radiation can't escape and heat is transmitted via radiation (can't escape) and velocity of matter (can't exceed lightspeed, can't escape) so they're very very cold
The accretion discs on close binary systems or those in gas/dust fields however should be unbearably hot and some of the brightest and dangerous objects out there, but without them visible it'd be harsh to kill folk for approaching from a wrong angle. I really hope they come soon - would be a vastly more exciting and visually impressive feature to add than discolasers. Imagine the marketing screenshots! (hint hint) Spinning/feeding neutron stars firing jets of instadeath out of their poles would be great too pls while we're at it - I was very glad to see they lensed space a bit at least.
It's really not though - they have less gravity than the suns they replaced as they've blown all that mass off into space and what's less is by definition at absolute zero. If light can't escape then radiation can't escape and heat is transmitted via radiation (can't escape) and velocity of matter (can't exceed lightspeed, can't escape) so they're very very cold
The accretion discs on close binary systems or those in gas/dust fields however should be unbearably hot and some of the brightest and dangerous objects out there, but without them visible it'd be harsh to kill folk for approaching from a wrong angle. I really hope they come soon - would be a vastly more exciting and visually impressive feature to add than discolasers. Imagine the marketing screenshots! (hint hint) Spinning/feeding neutron stars firing jets of instadeath out of their poles would be great too pls while we're at it - I was very glad to see they lensed space a bit at least.
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I can't give you enough rep for suggesting such an excellent mission!
that is just a feeding neutron star as it turns out, and pretty much entirely non-visible radiation so a little suspension of disbelief may be required though it would have an accretion disc too
Oh how I hope they do it. I'm really looking forwards to the supernova too
They gain mass as they feed. However, a small stellar black hole has relatively weak gravity, but still much stronger than its parent star due to density. Being close to the event horizon should be close to terrifying. You're near the area where gravity is so strong, nothing in the universe can escape. The gravity well should be huge and hard to get away from.
A supermassive black hole such as Sag A should have it's gravity well noticeable while anywhere in the system. The tidal forces should be flexing your ship. It has another star in the system, too. That star shouldn't be there very long. Sag A is a hungry monster.
The Great Annihilator should have all kinds of weird effects. It's effect on space time is so profound that annihilates electrons, turning them into a form of x-ray radiation. That thing should at least be different than any other black hole system.
The major known points of interest such as these 2 should be Hans crafted and not PG. They should be unique spots to visit and filled with wonder. Instead, they're just larger lensing effects.
This is still kinda erroneous - it hasn't got stronger gravity you can just get closer to the centre of that gravity well, there the forces are indeed stronger but as covered well elsewhere we can accelerate to many times the speed of light thanks to the warp bubble of frameshift so lots of these rules don't apply. We can escape from much deeper inside but I totally agree there should be more dramatic ship noises all around for extra thrill and some hand crafted blackhole amazingness for the big bad boys. Stresses causing direct ship damage without heat would totally make sense too close and give back some threat
I've not been to Sag A* how close is the nearest system to it? There's no real reason it can't have something on a steady orbit around it though, steady is pretty much by definition ... but we've seen the core. there should be a bunch of suns doing one hell of a dance :/ it still looks amazing as is, will just dream of what could be.
I'm just saying that the gravity well near the event horizon should be a lot stronger. The event horizon needs to be an event horizon, though. You can exit super cruise and basically throw rocks in it with no ill effect. They're just not dangerous. I would like to see black holes and neutron stars get an overhaul. Seeing the pulsing of a neutron star would be really cool.
The entire system would experience the effects of the gravity from a black hole. It is much stronger than the parent star. That is one thing Interstellar got right. The tidal effects on the planet from being near a black hole. A system with one would be the last place you want to call home.
Also, it's Sag A. It's the center of our galaxy. It became supermassive by devouring anything that gets to close. Another star close enough to be considered part of the same "system", should be in trouble.
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They don't pulse. The reason they appear to and some are pulsars is as they spin they fire most of the radiation generated out in jets from their poles but these are rarely neat polar rotations so it flashes over us like a lighthouse and we call them pulsars. There are others we see side on that just sit there being boring
No totally wrong I'm afraid, it has no extra gravity, things could orbit exactly as before if anything it has less gravity and things would spin out
Have a look up how large it actually is, there's plenty of room - all this stuff surprised the hell out of me, it's well worth a read