Crime and punishment
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My thoughts exactly. The bigger the bounty the bigger the response from the police.
Goose4291
Banned
We used similar mechanics to this when building a lot of the coop server missions for ArmA like domination and evolution.
You'd be teleported into a holding cell and forced to listen to banana phone for a predefined term of time and limited trollish behaviour.
However two things
(i) this was the old ArmA community who were in favour of coop game play and pvp was frowned upon on such servers (unlike here)
(ii) it was possible to accidentally end up in the holding cells by accident (ie collateral damage from a HE round) so false imprisonment was a possibility.
People in favour of such a scheme need to think about the above two points and how the gel with the elite mechanics and playstyle of players in a open world sandbox game.
You'd be teleported into a holding cell and forced to listen to banana phone for a predefined term of time and limited trollish behaviour.
However two things
(i) this was the old ArmA community who were in favour of coop game play and pvp was frowned upon on such servers (unlike here)
(ii) it was possible to accidentally end up in the holding cells by accident (ie collateral damage from a HE round) so false imprisonment was a possibility.
People in favour of such a scheme need to think about the above two points and how the gel with the elite mechanics and playstyle of players in a open world sandbox game.
This won't help the current issue where no one can die unless one wishes to die. Aftermath consequences after the psycho gets blown up won't be enough to deter the crime.
Inconvenience must arrive the moment one commits murder.
Inconvenience must arrive the moment one commits murder.
It allows senseless killing that isn't properly punished and responded to.
NPCs aren't a threat, player being attacked most likely don't have an interest in PKing to begin with.
Someday I want to examine you with my KWS.
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You keep your KWS in your coat, mister!
Goose4291
Banned
Exactly right. Hence we ended up settling on a teleportation script back in the day
Check out the top 5 bounties posted at Robigo. The commanders listed there have bounties in many hundreds of millions. How long would they have to wait?
I'd be up for bounties surviving after you die unless a player killed you and collected it. Better hope they used a KWS. Add to this massive cop presence in non-anarchy systems.
I'd be up for bounties surviving after you die unless a player killed you and collected it. Better hope they used a KWS. Add to this massive cop presence in non-anarchy systems.
There is a punishment for killing a commander. A bounty is placed on your head and every other commander in the galaxy can kill you and claim your bounty. That sounds like a good punishment to me. Players are even rewarded for killing wanted players while the wanted player gains nothing in return. What is the issue here? Please help me understand.
The fact that the victim(s) wind up at a rebuy screen for potentially tens of millions of credits while the transgressor gets a paltry 6k fine per kill, and can kill himself at any time via suicidewinder for about 30k, wiping the bounty and preventing anyone from collecting said bounty?
Being griefed is entirely a self imposed act especially in a game where the Devs went out of their way to give one choice to group or go solo.
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And I submit that once the first example is set, it will have an effect on future occurrences.
I respect your opinion but it's pure conjecture.
Of course, the same applies to my proposal as well if it would deter wanton attacks against non wanted Cmdr's. I believe it would.
I do agree that the present system is a complete joke when it comes to addressing or responding to human players having their ships blown up.
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So would getting a "time out" or going to "prison" for the offending pilot.
I am thinking their may actually be an increase in the level of participation in the "open" version of the game if crime and punishment had some better balance.
I have always thought this game had a perfect trinity. Traders, Pirates, and Bounty Hunters. The pirates prey on the traders and the bounty hunters hunt the pirates. The game might need some more tools for players to hunt down wanted criminals but the basics are there. Players can police other players. If you are being attacked by other commanders you can request help from the community. There is a lot of people that like to bounty hunt in this game.
Because it's almost impossible to catch a criminal Cmdr, let alone destroy it. Whereas inflicting damage/killing on a clean player is relatively much easier. It's simple balancing between action and consequence.
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It isn't conjecture when it's derived from in-depth experience. I think I know what I'm talking about when I say getting killed in this game is hard unless one wishes to be killed, especially for a PvP/Pk player.
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If there were a system that forces criminal Cmdrs into Open and ping them on a map with a player-run bounty system, then sure, the system is balanced, but that is not the case.
Goose4291
Banned
Imb4 "Don't force game modes on me based on my playstyle" arguments.
By referring to your self, I agree. It would not be conjecture since the statement is based on your experience and abilities. If your referring to the rest of the Cmdr's in the game, then yes, it's conjecture.
And while it may be "hard" or "almost impossible" (your words) to kill an experienced Cmdr, it is possible.
From my experience, there is ALWAYS someone better at something than you. Maybe not today, or even tomorrow, but someday there will be.
There is no doubt in my mind that there are better skilled Cmdrs than myself, considering I'm a pirate, not a combat specialist. I can do the latter, but I don't focus on it.
However, where it isn't a conjecture is that anyone who stack up enough SCB/HRP and proper combat outfit equipment, a simple submit and high wake will void all skill there is. Skill is largely irrelevant in the success of destroying a Cmdr before one flees, it has a numerical limit. I can alpha as hard as I want, but if the enemy can tank for 15 second straight (which is easy to do), there is nothing I can do about it, absolutely nothing.
On top of that, don't forget FD doesn't punish combat logging seriously at all, therefore it remains an option many utilizes to avoid destruction.
Thus it is not a conjecture but reasoned argument that aftermath consequence of a ship's destruction is largely ineffective.