This thread is a great argument for enforced sterilisation.
Powerplay Why are Solo and Private Groups allowed to influence Powerplay?
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Agreed.
Me too.
The mechanism behind PP is that there are Powers who can be backed by players to increase that Power's standing against other Powers.
In case anyone has missed it...the Power's are NPCs.
By definition, PP is PvE.
Of course players may choose to participate in PP using PvP elements, but that is just an option - you know, like in ED in general.
Elite Dangerous is a PvE game with some PvP elements, and all modes are equal.
Umm.. isn't 5th columning being done by people working for your faction? How are you going to deal with that better if they play in open? You're going to start killing your own people just to be sure they aren't 5Cing? Will you start following your fellow supporters around to watch what they are doing?
Help me out here, because i'm not sure how having them in Open would help you.
You're the one doing the no true scotsman, and justifying with anecdotal evidence. You're saying that the full game is the true "base game", and denying that it actually derives from a set of expansions by saying that in your experience, you bought it like that so it must have always been like that, therefore denying something that it's true, that Powerplay has been added later than its first release (1.0, December 2014) and was never mentioned in the Kickstarter.
Just to make an example: Mac OS X didn't include Time machine until OS X 10.5, now it's in, some people use it, some people don't, but you can't deny the fact that it is not necessary to the SO (in other words - it's optional) and it has been added later.
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We know what is already in the game, the question is: are we wrong in looking for possible ways to improve it? I joined in the beta (in 2014) and it seemed to me since the beginning that FD want to involve people in test their solutions, they still do it, and everything that comes to the game has been previously checked by the players who endorsed FD in joining the early development phases. When Powerplay was put out, the time allocated to that testing was very short and a lot of the bugs and the problems that are so evident now were not clear. Powerplay in its current state has problems. You don't want changes? Ok, I'm sure FD will be happy to leave Powerplay in its current state. It's the least effort option.
It's not about preying on traders, it's about creating an environment where people must think differently. And organize.
What IS and WILL BE part of the game is in part determined by players feedback. Check the tuning of weapons, engineers RNGs, NPCs which can't be possible without the feedback of players. So, we're all entitled to have our opinions.
Just to check - you all seem to be so attached to the current gameplay offered by Powerplay, what is the thing that you love most about Powerplay? I'm really curious.
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I can't speak for Red Fox Four, but if they are anything like me, its not that we don't want changes/improvements. That is a false accusation. What I don't want is the particular solutions that are being proposed by some people. I want FD to make many changes to PP to make it more interesting for me to participate... whether they will make any changes remains to be seen, and whether i will like those changes also remains to be seen. One thing that will ensure i don't participate in PP would be some sort of bonus for Open play or even a walled garden.
And if i can't affect PP from group/solo, then i won't want PP affecting me in group/solo. Open only PP proponents can't have their cake and eat it.
I can only agree about the discussion of ways to improve Powerplay. The open only is a radical option and I'm sure there are few persons that really support it. I wouldn't be shocked by such an option but I can see the reasons of people who don't want it and although I consider it a possibility, I'm aware that it hurts more feelings than it can actually help.
What I don't like is that any discussion about the balance of modes, even limited to Powerplay, instantly becomes a PvP vs PvE discussion, which is not the point.
I completely respect people who want to play solo, because I played the original ('true') Elite and it was an off-line game. But if we want to get the best from the MMO option that is offered by Elite
angerous, there is room for improvement. It may - or not - pass by incentives for playing in open. Or enhancing gameplay that foster the cohesion of player groups. I'm just striving for what makes a better game in my opinion.
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I already asked this earlier. Please explain how you will stop 5Cers if they are in Open. They are pledged to the same power you are. You going to go about following them and killing them? How will you even identify who is doing it?
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This argument reminds me of Guerrilla Warfare. Guerrilla armies (Solo/Private) avoid direct confrontation with enemy troops (PvP'ers).
If you spot people in a system your power doesn't need, they'd be suspicious. It can be somebody unaware about the badness of the system, or a malicious player. In both cases you can talk to them and try to make them drop their cargo.
Interaction doesn't necessarily mean destruction. https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteTorval/comments/3anlme/to_cmdr_skreed_i_owe_you_some_fish_canisters/
The problem, as with the majority of other things in the game, is that these interactions are not rewarded, so most people focus on credits or schadenfreude.
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I have an easier way to say this:
The PvP in this game is designed as the vast movement of PvE trophies between groups of players. Direct PvP is allowed, but not supported by positive rewards within the game...and is meant to be a sideshow/bit of fun.
Right, i see that. But why would you even be looking at people in an unwanted system when you have your own PP stuff to be doing in wanted systems? You will patrol, looking out for people preparing the wrong systems? Assuming you even are on at the same time and you are in the same instance with them?
Ok, so let's say you see them. You open comms, they don't respond. Do you assume:
a) They are intentionally 5Cing
b) They just don't have a clue about PP strategy
c) They don't speak English
What do you do about it????
Or, they respond and say "LOL, i'm fortifying this system because i'm a 5Cer." - You going to blow them up? Or at least try, they can probably just run anyway. Or maybe they will blow you up.
You see, i'm still struggling to understand how having everyone in Open actually changes anything, especially with regards to 5Cing.
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Because it really does not matter! It is a game open to several modes of play and each player experiences the single shared galaxy! Exactly how FD designed it!
I agree with your point. But you didn't describe the most ironic scenario yet.
... and they ask *you* what you are doing in that system. After all, apparently only 5C would go there, and you are there, so you must be 5C as well.
If an unwanted system goes high in the preparation list, it means somebody is working on it. The reconnaissance wing X of the power Y will be alerted and they will inspect the system.
Well nobody can tell the reaction, it depends from what people decide, what rules FD implements, but it may well end with some pointless discussions in a forum with some screenshots, as it already happens with the combat loggers. The frustrating thing about 5C is that everybody suffers from it and considers it a scummy tactics, but nobody has never seen one of them. Not because they are good in choosing their time to drop the preparation items or to avoid being detected, they just stay in solo. All this while throwing the work of a lot of people in the trash. It's an effective tactic, and also trolling from solo (schadenfreude again).
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... and they ask *you* what you are doing in that system. After all, apparently only 5C would go there, and you are there, so you must be 5C as well.
Any large ship with good cargo capacity will be suspect, not the fighter ones. [wacky]
Well, a couple of people made strong statements that if PP was open only, they could do something about the 5Cers, so i'm still trying to get to the bottom of this you see. Let's go with the rules FD implements is what some people want, and that PP is open only.
There is no rule against 5Cing, and from what I can see, while perhaps bad form, and FD have talked about making changes to mitigate the effect of 5Cing, for the moment, people are saying, if 5Cers were forced into open, they could do something about it.
So, this is why i'm picking at this point like some sort of old scab. I want to know what they think they could do about it.
Otherwise, i simply have to assume its a load of hot air, and that some people are saying whatever in order to add extra reasons for PP to be an Open Only gameplay element.
Well they are in solo to avoid detection, which may lead to one of the following possibilities:
- being destroyed (worst scenario);
- public shame.
- being destroyed (worst scenario);
- public shame.