UAs, Barnacles & More Thread 6 - The Canonn

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Not really sure how relevant it is but...
The gas cloud in which the seven sisters are currently passing through originates at a pulsar named PSR B1919+21, the original designation of this pulsar was CP 1919, However power and regularity of the signals was thought to resemble a beacon, so for a time the source was nicknamed "LGM-1" (for "Little Green Men").

LMG-1 is in the galaxy map.
 
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Not really sure how relevant it is but...
The gas cloud in which the seven sisters are currently passing through originates at a pulsar named PSR B1919+21, the original designation of this pulsar was CP 1919, However power and regularity of the signals was thought to resemble a beacon, so for a time the source was nicknamed "LGM-1" (for "Little Green Men").

LMG-1 is in the galaxy map.

A good lil titbit there. wouldn't surprise me if it's something like that knowing how FD like their science.
 
Not really sure how relevant it is but...
The gas cloud in which the seven sisters are currently passing through originates at a pulsar named PSR B1919+21, the original designation of this pulsar was CP 1919, However power and regularity of the signals was thought to resemble a beacon, so for a time the source was nicknamed "LGM-1" (for "Little Green Men").

LMG-1 is in the galaxy map.
*adds to list* cracking work

have you been there yet?
 
Been away exploring for quite a while which has been very interesting. Gave me lots of time to ponder about the UA, that's for sure!

I've not been keeping up-to-date with the forums, so apologies if I am repeating tin-foil here or the suggestions of others, but here goes:

It has been hypothesised by a number of others that the UA are von Neumann probes (that is to say, self-replicating simple machines) and I think that seems most likely, as much of their behaviour fits this profile - e.g. the damage effect caused to a ship's cargo bay whilst transporting a UA is due to it self-healing, the ship scanning and 'broadcasting' of information etc etc.

The question then becomes why we only find these probes in the Pleaides. If the UA are vN probes sent by a civilisation somewhere in the Milky Way that was attempting to discover whether intelligent life existed elsewhere in the galaxy, we would surely expect to find UA distributed much more widely. The fact that they are clustered where they are suggests either:

1) They have been specifically placed there by a species that already knows of our existence and location, and they are keeping an eye on us (because the Pleaides are quite close to Sol). This means that their creators must have already had a run in with us.

2) The Pleaides is the origin of vN probes - that is to say that the alien lifeforms that built the probes are indigenous to Merope and we should expect to find them there.

I am leaning towards 1) being the answer, and whilst they certainly look a bit organic or insectoid this does not necessarily mean Thargoid in origin. I am reminded of this Galnet post which describes the doubt surrounding the origin of the Soontill relics, so a parallel with the UA might just be that it is the design of a long lost generation ship colony attempting to reconnect (although I cannot find any fiction references that might support Generation ships heading in this direction).
 
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*adds to list* cracking work

have you been there yet?
Nah, just did the read a little while ago and my type 9 isn't really suited for a 8000LY trip.

I should have also mentioned that it's part of the Vulpecula constellation. and if you look at LMG-1 from Sol you can see a dark nebula in the Vulpecula Dark region.
 
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Another Idea on the barnacles origin

Sit down, this is gonna take a while.


First of all, this is all built on the assumption, that the barnacles are alien space probes of some sort. Maybe they're not, but they might aswell be.


If humans build space probes, they mark them with all kinds of symbols and stuff, so why wouldn't other civilisations do the same? Humans don't just plant pictures of earth on their probes, but also mission specific stuff, like the mission target. For example, take a look at the mission logos of Apollo 16 or the Mars Science Laboratory (aka the Curiosity Rover), displaying the Moon and the Mars:


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This leaves me considering, what if the symbols on the barnacles don't depict their origin, but rather their destination? Furthermore, if the (hypothetical) creators of the barnacles printed the Pleiades Nebula on them (their obvious destination, because that's where we found them), they would print it how it looks from their point of view. I spent some time staring at the Pleiades Nebula in the ingame Galaxy Map from different angles, and it somehow resembles the shape of the barnacles' symbols if you look at it from the approximate direction of the California Nebula (you need a bit of fantasy though, but this is as close as it gets):

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What makes this interesting, is that the California Nebula, the Pleiades Nebula, and the bubble form an approximate line, with the Pleiades lying between the California Nebula and the bubble.

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If there was indeed an alien civilisation living in the California Nebula, or any nebula, and they were looking for other intelligent life, where would they logically expect to find it? In other nebulas. Therefore, an alien civilisation living in the California Nebula receiving human signals, unaware of the existence of the bubble, might expect the signals to come from the Pleiades Nebula. Thus, thats where they'd send their probes.


Additionally, the unknown artefacts are known to align themselves pointing towards Merope, in the Pleiades Nebula, forming a shell around it with a radius of about 130 to 150 lightyears. They are also known to scan ships, and they used to be scanning stations and celestial objects, which makes them look like some sort of surveilance tool for monitoring activity in the Pleiades Nebula, suggesting that they too are probes sent by an alien civilisation searching for intelligent life.


There's a lot of player activity in the Pleiades Nebula, since the barnacles showed up, and we've even built a station in the Maia system, so if any alien civilisation looking for intelligent life was indeed monitoring the region, they would have probably noticed us beeing there and they would either try to establish contact soon, or choose to ignore us for whatever reason. Maybe they would even ignore us, because they'd consider us too violent to contact us, since we've been shooting the barnacles and abducting the unknown artefacts, but there's not much else to do with them, so who could blame us.


Anyway, if theres any truth to this theory, I see two options for further procedure: Wait for the aliens to contact us, which might never happen, or ivestigate the California Nebula for signs of civilisation.


So, has anyone, by any chance, found anything interesting in the California nebula?
 
Nah, just did the read a little while ago and my type 9 isn't really suited for a 8000LY trip.

I should have also mentioned that it's part of the Vulpecula constellation. and if you look at LMG-1 from Sol you can see a dark nebula in the Vulpecula Dark region.
Yeah I just had a look at how far away it is lol. Might wait a little bit. Too much of a human-made coincidence I fear

Nice view of not-the-california-or-soul-nebula from there tho. Will have to look for that dark region cheers

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"What makes this interesting, is that the California Nebula, the Pleiades Nebula, and the bubble form an approximate line, with the Pleiades lying between the California Nebula and the bubble."
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So, has anyone, by any chance, found anything interesting in the California nebula?
I'd like to say I have but it was a half hearted attempt at best and I didn't shorten my jumps on my way in to check for a UA shell.
I was more focused to get to the nebula below (can't remember the name atm) and the line of stars about 400LY long that almost aim at the pleiades nebula.
...lost motivation in that one too once I got there and realised the star density, but did a check for a UA shell on that one at least.
 
I'd like to say I have but it was a half hearted attempt at best and I didn't shorten my jumps on my way in to check for a UA shell.
I was more focused to get to the nebula below (can't remember the name atm) and the line of stars about 400LY long that almost aim at the pleiades nebula.
...lost motivation in that one too once I got there and realised the star density, but did a check for a UA shell on that one at least.
California is still my bet for "something interesting". I would not bet my house on it, but of all the nebulae, thats my favourite
 
I checked the Cocoon Nebula for signs of a UA shell yesterday: no *SS found in the 100-175LY range. It's my plan to check a couple of other nebulae on that side of the bubble early in 2.1, so I can add the California Nebula to the list. Ultimately, I would like to take a UA on a tour of the local nebulae (and some much more distant), dropping it out briefly ~135-150LY away from the centre to see where it points to. I'm hoping that this will be a way to find other nebulae with Barnacles and, ultimately, their origin. (Don't worry, I'll put the UAs back where I found them when I'm done, unless Palin wants them).
 
*adds to list* cracking work

have you been there yet?

I went to LGM-1 last year, it looks uninteresting. A single neutron star and a single class G star, no planets. I posted screenshots in the galactic mapping thread recently.

I did actually mention the information about the dust cloud being from there some time ago too, including a link site with the information where I found that out. Can't remember when that was, but it was long after I visited, so I didn't spend much time looking through nearby systems.
 
I went to LGM-1 last year, it looks uninteresting. A single neutron star and a single class G star, no planets. I posted screenshots in the galactic mapping thread recently.

I did actually mention the information about the dust cloud being from there some time ago too, including a link site with the information where I found that out. Can't remember when that was, but it was long after I visited, so I didn't spend much time looking through nearby systems.
Nice one - sadly I lag behind your footsteps here as in the Rift! I spent some time working my way along a side only to find your tags at the end of every dead end :D for sure anything you do find first will have been well earnt.
 
Nice one - sadly I lag behind your footsteps here as in the Rift! I spent some time working my way along a side only to find your tags at the end of every dead end :D for sure anything you do find first will have been well earnt.

Thanks. Dear me, yeah I made two trips to the rift recently, the first in a stripped down Conda, the second in a combat-ready Asp. Then I had a forced period of down time due to a screw up to my broadband after moving into my girlfriend's.

LGM-1 was tagged long before I visited though... (though not by anyone uploading to EDSM) probably before I'd even heard that this game existed.
 
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Here's the site where I found out the origin of the cloud:
http://www.pleiade.org/pleiades_03.html#Top
I just read through wikipedia fot the rest of it.
I had an odd thought that maybe the gas cloud carried whatever it was that seeded the barnacles. When I sort out my Asplorer I might check out the nebulae that are close to the likely path the cloud took.
 
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I am wondering if anyone in Canonn has any info on "Earth Relics"?
I cannot find much, but came across a Reddit post that linked Canonn with the finding of one of these.
Derthek was the Canonn member involved.
I ask because I have come across a few just now with a suspicious Cobra just a few kms away.
I checked out the Cobra and it has quite an intricate paint job on the upper side...sea serpents etc. (Guess that's why the CMD is called Cetus' Bane).
Are they something of "interest", or will I just get an illegal salvage/stolen tag and have to trade them on the black market?
Apologies if this is not appropriate to the topic.


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Never mind, another case of imagination outstripping ED reality (unfortunately).
And again, sorry for dropping in.
 
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If humans build space probes, they mark them with all kinds of symbols and stuff, so why wouldn't other civilisations do the same? Humans don't just plant pictures of earth on their probes, but also mission specific stuff, like the mission target. For example, take a look at the mission logos of Apollo 16 or the Mars Science Laboratory (aka the Curiosity Rover), displaying the Moon and the Mars:



This leaves me considering, what if the symbols on the barnacles don't depict their origin, but rather their destination? Furthermore, if the (hypothetical) creators of the barnacles printed the Pleiades Nebula on them (their obvious destination, because that's where we found them), they would print it how it looks from their point of view. I spent some time staring at the Pleiades Nebula in the ingame Galaxy Map from different angles, and it somehow resembles the shape of the barnacles' symbols if you look at it from the approximate direction of the California Nebula

I made a very similar post a month ago but only a couple of us went out looking. Not enough to find anything. Still my no.1 theory for the "Other nebula" though.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=227901&page=338&p=3811986&viewfull=1#post3811986
 
And soon the merging of the Threadnaught and Betanaught shall begin...

Personally I'd like so see everything rediscovered before that happens... Just in case things got tweaked.
 
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Ungh. I missed the chance to grab UAs/MAs before the servers went down :/ Looking forward to see what Galnet has to say later today/tonight (my time)
 
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