Ditto. I'm loving this game now 1,000,000 times and I hope FD won't downgrade the current AI. The more pressing matter now are the bugs affecting the missions and other stuffs.
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Ditto. I'm loving this game now 1,000,000 times and I hope FD won't downgrade the current AI. The more pressing matter now are the bugs affecting the missions and other stuffs.
TiberiusKirk
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There has always been this inbuilt conflict between 'hardcore' players, and people who want to see Elite as a great entertainment. I can see both sides.
But essentially computer games *are* entertainment, and a PC is not a real F-16. So common sense would come down on the side that it should above all be fun and playable.
I probably sound like someone saying patisseries should sell nice cakes - hey, I know that's crazy - but..
Yes, their unimaginable wealth and legion of fanatical players are surely symptoms of their failure and cause them much distress and missed sleep every night
TiberiusKirk
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We were *promised* by FD that 2.1 would be the end to these widespread bugs. 3 missions completed today - two were bugged and impossible to complete.
Please stop trolling - development means developing something, the AIs didn't "develop" mods they came into existence instantly on launch. Did you not read what I said - "read my typing" - AI ARE NOW MUCH IMPROVED
It is crass to expose people who have paid good money for the game to vastly improved AI weapons when they can't counter it by modifications - 1.6 players are being shown the finger by F D over this.
Voted other.
The difficulty of the AI is something that one fixed scale / difficulty tiers will never be able to solve to the satisfaction of everyone.
There will always be people who find it too hard, and there will always be people who find it too easy.
Ideally, it needs to move away from static difficulties and become more dynamic based on how the player is doing during their particular session.
If they are in a combat zone easily blasting away ships left right and centre then the difficulty should scale up *for them*. If they are getting their ship debris regularly handed to them, then it needs to scale down *for them* until an enjoyable equilibrium is reached between the player and the AI for difficulty. Its no fun whatsoever to be massacred, and its no fun to be bored stiff grinding/farming away kills.
Failing that, there needs to be a way for those pilots who arent able to keep up with the AI any more to be brought down a few levels until they can cope with them again. Ergo - the combat ranking needs to degrade over time spent ingame or for deaths.
Those of you vehemently opposed to making the game better for those such pilots - remember you can always go and face human players if you want more of a challenge. Those pilots who are struggling with the difficulty level right now - less so.
"you better get good at it", "learn better" etc type comments aren't helpful at all to them.
The difficulty of the AI is something that one fixed scale / difficulty tiers will never be able to solve to the satisfaction of everyone.
There will always be people who find it too hard, and there will always be people who find it too easy.
Ideally, it needs to move away from static difficulties and become more dynamic based on how the player is doing during their particular session.
If they are in a combat zone easily blasting away ships left right and centre then the difficulty should scale up *for them*. If they are getting their ship debris regularly handed to them, then it needs to scale down *for them* until an enjoyable equilibrium is reached between the player and the AI for difficulty. Its no fun whatsoever to be massacred, and its no fun to be bored stiff grinding/farming away kills.
Failing that, there needs to be a way for those pilots who arent able to keep up with the AI any more to be brought down a few levels until they can cope with them again. Ergo - the combat ranking needs to degrade over time spent ingame or for deaths.
Those of you vehemently opposed to making the game better for those such pilots - remember you can always go and face human players if you want more of a challenge. Those pilots who are struggling with the difficulty level right now - less so.
"you better get good at it", "learn better" etc type comments aren't helpful at all to them.
do you for one second believe that when we get our "spacelegs" and can board ships, sneak on board and hijack other players ship, it will be easier? Hiding in SOLO will not be a safe haven. There you will just have to fight NPCS, on you ship. Unless FD make them 100% brain dead you will face many situations where you will potentially be able to lose your ship.
NMS is not in any way or form a threat to ED, as it will attract players who like the level of difficulty and complexity in ED.
Sarah Jane Avory
Retro Queen
Wow... what a lot to read!
The answer to the poll (in my eyes) is yes to all. Could it be changed to please everyone? Perhaps...
"It's too easy!"
Moving forward, high ranks could use adaptive logic. This just means the harder you fought, the harder the AI could fight. Would hopefully mean a good challenge for skilled players.
"It's just right."
Perhaps, but I could take it down a notch and throw in more tactics to create a more enjoyable and less predictable experience.
"It's too hard!"
Adaptive logic could dynamically downgrade AI performance to give players a chance. E.g. player is fleeing... Pirate AI could downgrade its weapon accuracy and boosting ability, giving the player a good chance to escape.
Well, just some of my own personal thoughts.
The answer to the poll (in my eyes) is yes to all. Could it be changed to please everyone? Perhaps...
"It's too easy!"
Moving forward, high ranks could use adaptive logic. This just means the harder you fought, the harder the AI could fight. Would hopefully mean a good challenge for skilled players.
"It's just right."
Perhaps, but I could take it down a notch and throw in more tactics to create a more enjoyable and less predictable experience.
"It's too hard!"
Adaptive logic could dynamically downgrade AI performance to give players a chance. E.g. player is fleeing... Pirate AI could downgrade its weapon accuracy and boosting ability, giving the player a good chance to escape.
Well, just some of my own personal thoughts.
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They have never said it would be an end to bugs, that's just asinine.
Did you report it? done 20 missions since release, only found one bug. (and I reported it)
Sorry, I am not trolling, you are the one calling people crass, if you cant take criticism then cut back on the insults.
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Robert Maynard
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High ranks will use adaptive logic. Means the harder you fight, the harder the AI fights. Should hopefully mean a good challenge for skilled players.
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Adaptive logic could dynamically downgrade AI performance to give players a chance. E.g. player is fleeing... Pirate AI could downgrade its weapon accuracy and boosting ability, giving the player a good chance to escape.
Well, just some of my thoughts.
Very interesting thoughts indeed....
Possibly something for everyone!
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Wow... what a lot to read!
The answer to the poll (in my eyes) is yes to all. Can it be changed to please everyone? Perhaps...
"It's too easy!"
Moving forward, it won't be. High ranks will use adaptive logic. Means the harder you fight, the harder the AI fights. Should hopefully mean a good challenge for skilled players.
"It's just right."
Perhaps, but I want to take it down a notch and throw in more tactics to create a more enjoyable and less predictable experience.
"It's too hard!"
I hear ya... Adaptive logic could dynamically downgrade AI performance to give players a chance. E.g. player is fleeing... Pirate AI could downgrade its weapon accuracy and boosting ability, giving the player a good chance to escape.
Well, just some of my thoughts.
Thank you, just what I, wanted to hear, wish you a great weekend.
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Wow... what a lot to read!.
Well, just some of my thoughts.
Sarah... 1st off you gave many what they asked for and I guess the adage rings true about being careful what you wish for
Good work!.
Lore wise dangerous and above ships are not that common and yet CZs and often res are often loaded with them... perhaps this could be used in the tweaking?
Thanks
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Is this based on some sort of a streak?
i.e. the more you kill, the harder it gets, the more you get destroyed, the easier it gets?
Or is it a mix with player rank and ship used too?
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but you didnt quote the part about those with macs or on 1.6 who have no access to mods did you? people will draw their own conclusions from my whole post.
Degrading combat rating is a really nice idea actually, make it stack a higher multiplier for multiple deaths with out a kill like
1 death without kill = -2% drop in rating
2 = 4% drop in rating
3 = 16% drop in rating
4+ = 32% drop in rating
Add in a condition that it is valid for NPC ships only so PVP does not lose you rank.
This way your ranking only tanks if you are killed multiple times without getting a kill yourself, once you get a kill you reset.
Excellent *taps fingers together* excellent!Wow... what a lot to read!
The answer to the poll (in my eyes) is yes to all. Can it be changed to please everyone? Perhaps...
"It's too easy!"
Moving forward, it won't be. High ranks will use adaptive logic. Means the harder you fight, the harder the AI fights. Should hopefully mean a good challenge for skilled players.
"It's just right."
Perhaps, but I want to take it down a notch and throw in more tactics to create a more enjoyable and less predictable experience.
"It's too hard!"
I hear ya... Adaptive logic could dynamically downgrade AI performance to give players a chance. E.g. player is fleeing... Pirate AI could downgrade its weapon accuracy and boosting ability, giving the player a good chance to escape.
Well, just some of my thoughts.
Curious about this! if a pilot is showing off with FA-OFF doing lateral boosts.. the AI thinks.. lol, 'ere we go.. [cranks difficuly up to ludicrus]
Pilot is just turning around with no pip management, AI thinks: aww, have some charity !
Sounds pretty good
It's important to find what the root cause of people finding the NPCs too difficult is, i.e. is it:
a). Actually the AI itself being too good
b). The weaponry the NPCs using being too good
c). Players not adjusting their play-style to the new patch
d). Players having not yet upgraded their ships to match the enhanced NPC ships
Could be a combination of all of the above, of course, but if, for instance, it's more to do with the new weapons, then that might indicate what to [potentially] hit with the nerf bat...
a). Actually the AI itself being too good
b). The weaponry the NPCs using being too good
c). Players not adjusting their play-style to the new patch
d). Players having not yet upgraded their ships to match the enhanced NPC ships
Could be a combination of all of the above, of course, but if, for instance, it's more to do with the new weapons, then that might indicate what to [potentially] hit with the nerf bat...
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