The Star Citizen Thread v 4

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yeah, we're having a grand old time manipulating them over on /r/ds - it's a fantastic PR win for me because everything is collated in a single place - which will still be there long after the inevitable collapse.

But, if you're wrong, humor me here, and Chris Roberts decides to sue you for loss of profits and malicious defamation, it might not be such a great idea to have some of the rather... personal things you've said about Chris and his wife, or the blatant mistruths (aUEC having cash value? Nice try) readily available in an online archive. As you purport to be a legally-minded individual, surely you would see the benefit of conducting yourself in a more professional manner?

It depends. Read this.
Yeah, that "two weeks" thing always crack me up when they quote it, despite not even knowing i) the origin ii) that it's a jab at CIG's imaginary delivery predictions

Most of your predictions carry a two-week deadline as well. Thus, many use the term to take a jab at your own failed predictions as well.
 
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No names, just referencing the juvenile tone of some in this thread.

I'd rather discuss the pros and cons of the game rather than engage in a war with Derek and his friends.

Sure that's cool. That's what the thread's for. :)

It's just you joined up today and your first post was a direct poke at Derek Smart, so I mean you can understand why someone might get the (mistaken) impression that you joined to engage with Derek Smart.
 
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Sure that's cool.

It's just you joined up today and your first post was a direct poke at Derek Smart, so I mean you can understand why folk might (mistakenly) get the idea you joined to engage with Derek Smart.

I'm sure it doesn't surprise you, I'm certainly here in part to counter Derek's misinformation campaign. I'll try to do so as factually as possible. So far, it's been fairly easy as he's not actually attempted to argue against his history of failed predictions about Star Citizen.

That's another thing. They keep trying to compare a feature that ED removed - and for which they offered REFUNDS - to this ongoing train wreck for which they are actively refusing refunds. I actually covered that over here in this official statement because they also keep saying how I was attacking ED and SC; which is patently false.

Did CIG not issue you a refund?
 
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His predictions don't matter. He is not some magical reader of the tea-leaves.

ALL that matters here is what CIG actually release - and wether that matches up with what we paid for.
 
No names, just referencing the juvenile tone of some in this thread.
It's clear you came here with a single agenda, don't get salty if people notice and call you out on it.

You clearly had no intention of trying to be part of this community, and your behaviour here proves just how toxic the Star Citizen community is.

I'd rather discuss the pros and cons of the game rather than engage in a war with Derek and his friends.
Nice words, your actions give lie to them. You joined to argue with Derek, that's the first thing you did and that's all you've done.

And this line about his "friends" is yet another attempt to poison the well. Not everyone who disagrees with you is in a conspiracy, maybe you should deal with criticism like an adult instead of throwing a tantrum and calling people names?
 
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Good god. Like the Candyman, repeapted mention of the Anti Chris, by overly enthusiastic backers has summoned D***k onto this thread. Now in his wake come the elite Citizen Seaorg to the defend the honor of the holy Visionary. Cant you guys duke it out elsewhere? (that includes you D***k) I mean, you have the whole of the internet to conduct this PR war on. Any more infractions will get this thread perma-pulled

*PAARP*...:eek:

..please excuse me, that Curry Goat is repeating on me again
 
No names, just referencing the juvenile tone of some in this thread.

I'd rather discuss the pros and cons of the game rather than engage in a war with Derek and his friends.

Yet waging a "war" is what you seem determined to do. You could just try to ignore the posts that trigger you.

Seems to me that there is a determined effort to get this thread closed again.
 
So, the game... is there any indication that 2.4j will move into the PU to allow alpha entitled backers to play it?
I know deadlines slip. The statement from CiG at the turn of the year was aiming for 1 iterative release per month. On that schedule they would have aimed to drop 2.6 next week?

I still get a bit confused, are the Avocados and the invited / $10/mo subscribed PTU testers both playing 2.4j currently, or is there an i / j split between them?
 

dsmart

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I,'ve been waiting to be proven wrong since the first day AC launched. Backed in October 2012, before the Kickstarter.

The lies on controls were the deal breaker for me, when a company can completely lie about controller implementation(no mouse controls like Freelancer) that early you know your headed for a bad time.

The scope creep and transformation of a traditional space-sim with online play to a space-mmo with twitch FPS gameplay was twisting the knife. Never mind the changes on LTI to grab more money, lies on limited ships etc etc.

Older backers have been treated disgracefully by CIG, worst customer experience I have had with any games company/Publisher bar none.

Ironically I would have far more respect for them if they had stuck to their original pitch and gone bankrupt, those original backers did not stump up large sums of money for GTA in space. It's only made worse by the fact that it's a horrid buggy mess that will never even come close in quality to games like GTA.

Indeed. And the latest kicker which is being largely ignored is the fact that with the store (persistence <----- lol!) implemented in the on-going 2.4x train wreck which implements aUEC, the new test mechanic is charging UEC for respawns. Yes, in a game that backers already paid for and for which this specific mechanic was never explained. The whole LTI fiasco aside.

e.g. if your ship blows up, you can either use up 12800 aUEC ($12.80 real money btw!) or wait upwards of 20 (!) mins. Don't believe me? Well, there's a video for that.

So once it's out of testing and they start using the real UEC (the "a" is for alpha btw), that's another way to get money from backers. So Candy Crush. In space. Pretty much.

Which isn't at all suspicious that the only thing "persistent" in 2.4, are the crashes and ganky mechanics. No meaningful features; just another way to get more money from backers to keep the dream going as long as possible. This knowing - fully well - that they can't build the game as promised.

Should I mention that this past Friday they did another JPEG ship sale? Though it's going as horridly as the last one, as I type this, some whales have paid $200K for a JPEG of a ship that's yet to be built for a game that doesn't show any indication of being completed - ever.

Just wait until they find out that SQ42 has been Star Marined and won't see the light of day in 2016, let alone 2017. Sources are telling me that's precisely what has happened, but I am still awaiting another source confirmation before I write up everything I know about that.

Meantime, croberts is back in the Monaco on backer money; while Sandi (who simply can't help herself) is happily tweeting about it. Even as devs across 4 (!) studios around the world are working weekends to make the "dream" come true. I'm sure that was a fantastic moral booster.
 
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I'd call it "lively" - I mean we're all big enough and ugly enough to handle a little verbal tussling without looking for an authority figure - no?
 
Just wait until they find out that SQ42 has been Star Marined and won't see the light of day in 2016, let alone 2017. Sources are telling me that's precisely what has happened, but I am still awaiting another source confirmation before I write up everything I know about that.

Hang on - wasn't Star Citizen put on hiatus so that Squadron 42 was the focal point of development?

If they are indefinitely delaying Squadron 42, are they putting Star Citizen back on the main burner?

Just what on earth is going on?
 

dsmart

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Consider what is currently the most recent Twitter post by Mr. Smart:

https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/736706877095088132



So, here's the thing; aUEC contains no cash value in Star Citizen. You cannot purchase it, you cannot sell it. It is a test currency used in the test environment, that can only be earned by completing missions and objectives. Requiring a test server player to wait or earn in-game currency before they can retrieve another specific model of ship is the beginning of assigning value to ships, encouraging players to fly their ships with some degree of caution, and participate in objectives to earn more aUEC.

Thus this Twitter statement by Derek where he applies a real-world cash value to aUEC, is patently false, and specifically aimed at stirring up FUD where Star Citizen is confirmed, and is a fairly typical occurrence. This is the kind of thing that I'm interested in addressing in this thread. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I see a lot of opinions colored by what I know to be misinformation as it pertains to Star Citizen, and much of it is due to blatantly false statements such as the one issued above. It's difficult to have an objective conversation weighing the facts versus one another (here are pros, here are cons, is SC worth?) when the facts are being bent by individuals with an agenda.

First, that's patently false. My Twitter statement relates specifically to the mechanic of requiring aUEC to respawn a ship. The statement is 100% factual.

And yes, you can earn aUEC in the game as it is now. Now please explain to me - in simple terms - how that negates my statement about the use of aUEC as a gameplay mechanic. And what makes you think that when the "alpha" gets wiped and UEC is in scope, that it will be any different? WHY ELSE IS THERE A STORE PAGE FOR SELLING UEC?!?! Seriously, if you guys are going to debate me on merit, come with your A game because this just gets boring.
 
smart still showcasing it's ignorance saying that aUEC = Real money lol

Everyone in the PTU/Evocati started with 2500 aUEC and missions give X and you need to spend Y lol, nothing related with real money, but ofc, lets go with the FUD campaign, the haters that haven't even played the game will have a say in how this is "cash grab" lol, manipulative at it's best, that's why this threat has been mostly just hate since 2014, fear and bitterness allied with ignorant remark and folks unwilling to admit the truth.
 
First, that's patently false. My Twitter statement relates specifically to the mechanic of requiring aUEC to respawn a ship. The statement is 100% factual.

And yes, you can earn aUEC in the game as it is now. Now please explain to me - in simple terms - how that negates my statement about the use of aUEC as a gameplay mechanic. And what makes you think that when the "alpha" gets wiped and UEC is in scope, that it will be any different? WHY ELSE IS THERE A STORE PAGE FOR SELLING UEC?!?! Seriously, if you guys are going to debate me on merit, come with your A game because this just gets boring.

Currently, your statement is 100% false, as it contains a cash value next to the aUEC value.

Derek Smart said:

aUEC cannot be purchased with real money. The fact that you're trying to argue that your statement is factual, when aUEC literally has no cash value, is pretty absurd.

Also, I happened to notice this in trying to investigate your "this official statement" link:

dsmart said:
May 27, 2016 at 9:36 am#3530


dsmart
Keymaster


And contrary to what izens* keep spreading, I have never stated that “Isaid nothing about Star Citizen prior to my July blog“.


Please go to the following interview from the other week:
http://guardfrequency.com/121/

Please go to the point 51:40 and hear yourself say the following statement

"From 2012, the first time I ever voiced any public dissent about the game was in July 2015..."

But then we look at your Twitter: https://twitter.com/search?q=star c...:2006-03-21 until:2015-07-01&src=typd&lang=en

When will the lies end, Derek?
 
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dsmart

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You can argue all you like about whether you "naysayers" or Derek started making your speculative claims first, either way it does not matter,you and the others do not work for the company, and have not worked on a game of similar scope,you do not have access to their books/minutes or any other pertinent documentation on which to make a plausible prediction.In essence your a "Armchair Dev" and Derek well history shows he's not a Developer at all, he couldn't code his way out of bed,never mind actually make a functioning game.So his opinion is even more worthless and irrelevant than yours or the other naysayers.Not telling you to be quiet or anything,just don't expect anybody with a inkling of knowledge to give you or Derek any "credence" and by you I'm not alluding to you specifically but the collective whole that continue to make baseless assertions and predictions with zero tangible evidence.

Quoted for posterity as stated by one of the guys who is the glaring example of why Star Citizen is regarded as a "toxic" community, and who spends every post everywhere (including on a hate-Red) using me as an excuse to ignore talking about the game he's not playing.

Carry on.

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Good, that is facts, I don't know how it works but if that is how it works, you're right and he is wrong.

Actually you got that the other way around. See both of my posts about it.

I'm right.

He's wrong (as usual)

The Grey area is semantics.
 
You are wrong dreek , just like you were when you said that Braben and Elite wouldn't have a chance in hell of succeeding , or when you said you would be fighting with Planetside 2 for the best sci-fi fps massive game in 2013 lol. Lies lies lies, where is the popcorn guy when you need it?
 
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