Powerplay Powerplay "meeting" with FD

[Shar]

I appreciate what your saying, I for example live and breath (too use you phraseology) Exploration and would not expect or wont to meet in private with fdev over my opinions on it,s shortcomings, as i said i strongly believe all representations on the future of OUR game should be equal, those that would disagree with that simple premise are by definition wrong.
I,m actually more concerned about the amount of passive-aggressive b......t directed at the OP for simply stating the obvious. I understand PP needs an overhaul as do several other things in the game but not to suit a few selected groups within a much larger player base. I very much doubt Fdev would entertain such a meeting anyway, probably better they just educate themselves on how power-play works since they apparently don't know (another proposition i find highly dubious).

 

[SeeZaa]

needing to provide transcripts of conversation. and full disclosure of the discussions.. the 1st thing that will happen when they meet up will be the agreeing to and signing of a non disclosure agreement.. we are talking about an intrinsic part of the game that is tied into the bgs, a core system for the game, do people not understand anything? sill question, clearly not, this isnt about what is best for the player group 'a' over 'b', it is about core functionality of the pp system, ie the things that effect all players and all groups that take part in it. im nopt sure what is worse, people asking for full disclosure, or that they actually think they are entitled to it and it could happen... too many fools for me.

o7 take care commanders

*nice avatar Shar

 

[Martin Schou]

Last thing we want is this meeting to go through, and for example some unrelated changes be made which (inadvertently) favour one power or playstyle

Which is why we're trying to have only one representative from each power. Also, we're not looking to do unrelated changes either. Sure, internally we're talking about ways that PowerPlay could be improved, but we're also talking about ship builds and what the weather is like.

The virtue of having a group with limited representation from each power, is that no one is in a position to just steam roll through suggestions to FDev by shouting out everyone else.

 

[JeffRyan]

Transcripts/logged correspondence will confirm that wasn't the case and potentially kill a toxic issue before it starts.

I'm sure that can be arranged. I don't necessarily disagree with the message (openess) just the person carrying this torch, not the torch itself, because I know they just want to set fire to the whole thing because they're not involved.

 

[CMDR Sergeant Jezza]

It's Jezza... any group she's not part of is illegitimate in her opinion. Though she hides it behind fair words, appeals to the common man are always based around her own search for legitimacy.

I like her. A LOT. She's got some good argument techniques down pat though, a few are in display in this thread.

You're not completely wrong. Any group I'm not part if is illegitimate in the sense that it doesn't represent me. It may well represent other people, but in my opinion EVERYONE should get the chance to be represented in this meeting.

I don't know if you were aware of this but I semi-retired from powerplay quite some time ago. I would likely not choose to attend this meeting for that reason.

As for legitimacy, I have my own player group. That's about enough legitimacy for me, what outsiders think of me is largely irrelevant. That's sort of why I made this thread - I know there are many others who agree with me, but didn't want to make a fuss about it. And they were right, just look at the amount of derailing and ridiculous personal attacks going on in this thread.

 

[JeffRyan]

And they were right, just look at the amount of derailing and ridiculous personal attacks going on in this thread.

You brought that on yourself Jezza. The sheer amount of drama you've caused in Power Play means that everyone, even those who like you, take anything you say with a very large bottle of salt. You LOVE creating drama, you've admitted this yourself on numerous occasions. The result is this, even if you have a legitimate point, it's lost in the person making it.

PS. I could make the same accusation of myself for the record. I felt that as a leader I'd spent my political good will and could no longer be a legitimate leader of Aisling Duval.

 

[Shar]

needing to provide transcripts of conversation. and full disclosure of the discussions.. the 1st thing that will happen when they meet up will be the agreeing to and signing of a non disclosure agreement.. we are talking about an intrinsic part of the game that is tied into the bgs, a core system for the game, do people not understand anything? sill question, clearly not, this isnt about what is best for the player group 'a' over 'b', it is about core functionality of the pp system, ie the things that effect all players and all groups that take part in it. im nopt sure what is worse, people asking for full disclosure, or that they actually think they are entitled to it and it could happen... too many fools for me.

o7 take care commanders




*nice avatar Shar

SeeZaa your sounding like a politician, and i like your avatar too

I think i,ll go and watch Braveheart.


Just a word of advice for you veterans next time your trying to organize a secret meeting keep it a secret, what we don,t know can,t hurt us.

 

[Martin Schou]

I understand PP needs an overhaul

This isn't about PowerPlay needing an overhaul. It's about FDev accidentally backing over a service dog and then replacing it with a hamster thinking that it's not a big inconvenience.

We want to get them to understand that they are at at point where it's clear to the organized groups, that Frontier has a VERY different view of what happens in PowerPlay and how it's played than the organized groups who make these things happen. Without these organized groups, PowerPlay would have descended into chaos around week ten, but instead PowerPlay has spread to an incredible amount of systems.

The question is - does Frontier actually want PowerPlay to continue in the way that it has so far, because if they do, then they need to smarten up on how it's played, and the best way to do that is to learn from the organized groups rather than looking at how the average random player participates.

 

[JeffRyan]

This isn't about PowerPlay needing an overhaul. It's about FDev accidentally backing over a service dog and then replacing it with a hamster thinking that it's not a big inconvenience.

We want to get them to understand that they are at at point where it's clear to the organized groups, that Frontier has a VERY different view of what happens in PowerPlay and how it's played than the organized groups who make these things happen. Without these organized groups, PowerPlay would have descended into chaos around week ten, but instead PowerPlay has spread to an incredible amount of systems.

The question is - does Frontier actually want PowerPlay to continue in the way that it has so far, because if they do, then they need to smarten up on how it's played, and the best way to do that is to learn from the organized groups rather than looking at how the average random player participates.

True. +1

 

[CMDR Sergeant Jezza]

You brought that on yourself Jezza. The sheer amount of drama you've caused in Power Play means that everyone, even those who like you, take anything you say with a very large bottle of salt. You LOVE creating drama, you've admitted this yourself on numerous occasions. The result is this, even if you have a legitimate point, it's lost in the person making it.

Lol. I really hate that word, "drama". 90% of the time it means "stirring things up by going against the status quo". Ironic that an Aisling commander would criticise for that.

You (by which I mean everyone) should be disciplined enough to look past what has been done in the past, especially in character, and comment on the topic of the post rather than derailing with personal attacks. No one is creating drama in this thread except for these people.

 

[JeffRyan]

Lol. I really hate that word, "drama". 90% of the time it means "stirring things up by going against the status quo". Ironic that an Aisling commander would criticise for that.

You (by which I mean everyone) should be disciplined enough to look past what has been done in the past, especially in character, and comment on the topic of the post rather than derailing with personal attacks. No one is creating drama in this thread except for these people.

Check my edit

 

[CMDR Sergeant Jezza]

Check my edit

Ok, now I just think you're being even more ridiculous. "political goodwill" isn't a limited resource.

 

[JeffRyan]

Ok, now I just think you're being even more ridiculous. "political goodwill" isn't a limited resource.

I don't think you understand how politics works. It's entirely based on legitimacy. Ours is seriously reduced.

 

[Space2504]

I think it's disgusting that not every player group will be represented, as has been pointed out the grinders that don't care about powerplay or those that don't like powerplay are not being given a voice and they by far have the largest number of players. I suggest instead of having one rep per power, as that seems reasonable, without having too many people shouting at each other and over each other. We should instead let every person write an incoherent message to FDev, all of them contradictory and at odds... oh wait we have that already, it's called the forums.

As has been pointed out, the group in question has no power to force FDev to do anything, they can only hope that FDev get the message. I mean god forbid anyone should try and make PP better for all players, how selfish.

It may just be that some contact with people that understand the issues and are discussing topics for the good of the community as a whole, are able to achieve something where the screaming multitude can't.

Maybe we should see what happens before we sharpen our pitchforks and start collecting firewood, I highly doubt that anything of consequence will come out of this meeting without the greater community having the chance to scream themselves hoarse if they feel the need to.

Maybe a sanity check and a little decorum guys, at least the guys at FDev are a willing audience and care about the community.

 

[Goose4291]

needing to provide transcripts of conversation. and full disclosure of the discussions.. the 1st thing that will happen when they meet up will be the agreeing to and signing of a non disclosure agreement.. we are talking about an intrinsic part of the game that is tied into the bgs, a core system for the game, do people not understand anything? sill question, clearly not, this isnt about what is best for the player group 'a' over 'b', it is about core functionality of the pp system, ie the things that effect all players and all groups that take part in it. im nopt sure what is worse, people asking for full disclosure, or that they actually think they are entitled to it and it could happen... too many fools for me.

o7 take care commanders

*nice avatar Shar

You don't need to sign an NDA to discuss game changing mechanics and the ilk with the Developers. Eve has proved this for many years with their CSM Meetings.

 

[CMDR Sergeant Jezza]

I don't think you understand how politics works. It's entirely based on legitimacy. Ours is seriously reduced.

Yes, it is.

Legitimacy isn't a diminishing resource, it varies based upon what you do and how people react to it.

I started out being a de-facto leader of Aisling way back, shortly after the beginning of powerplay. Since then I left the power, joined a different power, and recently left that one, now focusing on non-powerplay stuff. One would have thought that, considering the many "controversial" things which I have done in that time, plus the switching of powers, that if running out of "political goodwill" was an issue for anyone, it would have been an issue for me. Indeed it hasn't, I currently run a medium sized non-powerplay group and community, and no one has ever had a problem with this. As long as you consistently make good decisions and do what is best for the group, there is no reason why someone can't stay as a leader indefinitely.

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I think it's disgusting that not every player group will be represented, as has been pointed out the grinders that don't care about powerplay or those that don't like powerplay are not being given a voice and they by far have the largest number of players. I suggest instead of having one rep per power, as that seems reasonable, without having too many people shouting at each other and over each other. We should instead let every person write an incoherent message to FDev, all of them contradictory and at odds... oh wait we have that already, it's called the forums.

As has been pointed out, the group in question has no power to force FDev to do anything, they can only hope that FDev get the message. I mean god forbid anyone should try and make PP better for all players, how selfish.

It may just be that some contact with people that understand the issues and are discussing topics for the good of the community as a whole, are able to achieve something where the screaming multitude can't.

Maybe we should see what happens before we sharpen our pitchforks and start collecting firewood, I highly doubt that anything of consequence will come out of this meeting without the greater community having the chance to scream themselves hoarse if they feel the need to.

Maybe a sanity check and a little decorum guys, at least the guys at FDev are a willing audience and care about the community.

You're being sarcastic, unless I'm very much mistaken, but groups which have left powerplay are actually THE MOST important people who should be there, for lots of reasons.

 

[Shar]

It,s a bit hard for the player base to get behind you when your referring to us as the screaming multitude. Some of that multitude may have university degrees some maybe in mathematical analysis and some maybe don't appreciate being talked down to by someone who played a game for 3000 hours.
Some of you may consider yourselves experts on power-play however your diplomatic skills leave a lot to be desired.

 

[Space2504]

You're being sarcastic, unless I'm very much mistaken, but groups which have left powerplay are actually THE MOST important people who should be there, for lots of reasons.

Not at all, like any organisation, the people that are no longer involved are always the ones that you should talk to first for reasoned and cogent responses. I'm sure the people that still try week after week to work in a system that has flaws and sometimes makes no sense, just because they don't want to quit and see groups dissolve are far less able to articulate the issues than those people that have already given up.

But again, I have my tar bubbling away and I'm ready to pour it on anyone that disagrees with my view and tries to benefit the game I love without asking my permission first.

 

[CMDR Sergeant Jezza]

Not at all, like any organisation, the people that are no longer involved are always the ones that you should talk to first for reasoned and cogent responses. I'm sure the people that still try week after week to work in a system that has flaws and sometimes makes no sense, just because they don't want to quit and see groups dissolve are far less able to articulate the issues than those people that have already given up.

But again, I have my tar bubbling away and I'm ready to pour it on anyone that disagrees with my view and tries to benefit the game I love without asking my permission first.

Ok, I'm going to have to ask that if you wish to converse with me about this topic, you stop being so cryptic and just say what you think.

 

[SeeZaa]

Lol. I really hate that word, "drama". 90% of the time it means "stirring things up by going against the status quo". Ironic that an Aisling commander would criticise for that.

You (by which I mean everyone) should be disciplined enough to look past what has been done in the past, especially in character, and comment on the topic of the post rather than derailing with personal attacks. No one is creating drama in this thread except for these people.

i think that is an area there is always a lot of potential fro friction, some rp their PP while others were playing it like political chess with actions attached to each move. 2 very different approaches too the game, and frequently not compatible, or misunderstood mindsets. those who don't RP are always in the 1 mind (psychiatric well being aside) and those that do are forever wearing 2 hats, and it is often difficult to know exactly which hat an RP player is wearing at any given time.

i'm guessing your character can be a bit of a drama queen at times then? i can understand that, for those unsure or unaware of the RP, there is no separation, you being headstrong and dramatic in character would simply be seen as you being headstrong and dramatic as a person. its also very easy to slip in and out of character without even realising it too lol. some people have a far more interesting walk through life than i.