Powerplay Powerplay "meeting" with FD

Status
Thread Closed: Not open for further replies.
No, if you aren't active, you probably don't have a grasp on how PP plays out in reality. You don't get to claim an extensive knowledge of something you don't participate in.

When and if the talk moves to making changes, you can chip in.

Oh dear, someone hasn't done their research. I was an active powerplay group leader for... Hmm... 35 weeks, give or take a bit. I know damn well how it works.
 
If the leader of the largest Torval group was not aware that they had a "representative", the problem is far more serious than I thought. That's just ridiculous, absolutely no excuse for that complete and total lack of transparency.

Be that as it may, it's an issue for the Torval community to solve, not for all of the Elite: Dangerous community to solve.
 
What's that?

It's a forum where only backers directly have the most influence over the development of the game and it's exclusive to backers with no way to get in now. Rumor indicates it's still used and it's commonly referred to as the source of a lot of the gameplay elements we have in game today as well as the source of the giant list of features Frontier is building for the future. In otherwords, exactly what you think is happening with this meeting.
 
Last edited:
I know who you are. What you did months ago is great. There are others doing it now.

And how much has powerplay changed in the 3 weeks since I left? Not at all. And I'm still keeping up with it regardless so your point is moot.

- - - - - Additional Content Posted / Auto Merge - - - - -

It's a forum where only backers directly have the most influence over the development of the game and it's exclusive to backers with no way to get in now. Rumor indicates it's still used and it's commonly referred to as the source of a lot of the gameplay elements we have in game today as well as the source of the giant list of features Frontier is building for the future. In otherwords, exactly what you think is happening with this meeting.

I thought it wasn't being used any more? If it is I don't think that's right.
 
I've not seen anything regarding this beyond being told repeatedly in this thread "It doesn't need to be made public, don't worry about it" type responses.

I won't make such promises, because then I'll be making promises that I don't know that Frontier is willing to back. Braben has made it clear before, that they don't like making promises, because then people will jump on every little comma and complain like crazy when it gets moved, regardless of why.

I would like transcripts and even voice recording to be published, but it's not for me to promise, because that's mostly up to Frontier.
 
You haven't been doing much PP directing for far longer than 3 weeks. But it's pointless to argue with you in any case, I wouldn't want my mother to be insulted.
 
Umm, actually a lot of them do just that. I don't know about other powers but when I was in Aisling, most people had no clue where any "orders" came from, mainly because the people writing them did it in secret so as to avoid accountability. You can still see this now, how they hide cowardly behind a "voice of the angels" reddit account.

Anything that I, an independent loyal pledger to Aisling, want to discuss, I can do so, and people there will talk together about the plans and even my proposals, which results sometimes even to polls if the thing in question is that important.

As far as I know, there was never a leader of Aisling, even if you wanted to be one.
 
Last edited:
You haven't been doing much PP directing for far longer than 3 weeks. But it's pointless to argue with you in any case, I wouldn't want my mother to be insulted.

You're right, it is pointless to argue with me, but it has nothing to do with your mother.

- - - - - Additional Content Posted / Auto Merge - - - - -

Anything that I, an independent loyal pledger to Aisling, want to discuss, I can do so, and people there will talk together about the plans and even my proposals, which results sometimes even to polls if the thing in question is that important.

As far as I know, there was never a leader of Aisling, even if you wanted to be one.

Oh, my mistake, I didn't mean sole leader. One of several leaders I meant. Sorry for confusion.
 
Last edited:
I thought it wasn't being used any more? If it is I don't think that's right.

I've only heard rumors of its continued use. I have no idea if it's true and I'm by no means able to provide verification. Either way though, if it is going on I'd love to have access even if just to read it. Though its common for investors to have continued influence over a products development of its lifetime. The difference is that the backing investors of Elite only get dividends in gameplay, not money. So they are more motivated to make sure that the game is fun, which is why they backed it in the first place. My only disagreement with DDF/investor focus groups is that I'm not involved. ;)
 
And what about people who aren't active in powerplay? We still need a say, this is going to affect everyone no matter what.

Why should you be there?

Mahon is currently run by AOS, AID, AEDC, NULL, SCL, TCF and probably other groups that I shamefully forgot, but there's only an AOS member at the meeting (me). The rest are being represented by me. That's how diplomacy works.

If you aren't active in PowerPlay, in what world does what happens in PowerPlay affect you? Is it because your precious income or modules becomes threatened? Because, quite honestly, to me that group of players have been the bane of PowerPlay throughout its entire existence. They are the reason that Aisling kept expanding into insanely stupid systems. They are the reason that you'd be flying around and suddenly get attacked by what you thought were powers that you didn't have any beef with.

But I'll tell you what - you rustle up a democratically elected representative for the players who AREN'T active in PowerPlay, and I'll invite them to the meeting myself. Good luck.
 

Goose4291

Banned
I won't make such promises, because then I'll be making promises that I don't know that Frontier is willing to back. Braben has made it clear before, that they don't like making promises, because then people will jump on every little comma and complain like crazy when it gets moved, regardless of why.

I would like transcripts and even voice recording to be published, but it's not for me to promise, because that's mostly up to Frontier.

As I've said a few times, if it's a conversation with the devs, it should be documented and providing it is, I'm more than happy (and I'm sure most people would be).

I just really don't want this to blow up in your faces when something goes comically wrong, such as someone randomly pointing to a change in mechanics and cites this discussion as being where it occured and you've got no comeback beyond a "Well we didn't discuss that sort of thing at that meeting, trust us guys" type response.
 
I think it's becoming clear that a particular individuals reputation among the powerplay community is problematic. I wonder if that's why the push against this meeting is so hard and negative?
 
Haha... just wow. Torval has by far the most dedicated players that I have seen, and you guys weren't even consulted? It's obvious the organisers of this meeting are only inviting people who share their agenda.

Right, I really am now going to disagree with you - it is up to Torval to agree who is to represent them, as it is up to every other group to make the same decision. Despite not being any sort of voice in ZH I am absolutely convinced that the ZH leadership will represent us fairly, and will seek a way forward that is for the good of powerplay as a whole, just as they have done via cross power agreements in the past when a problem was seen as too big for one power alone to decide the issue.

It is painfully obvious that you are simply trying to derail a process that is desperately needed - consultation on the future of powerplay - for reasons I can only guess at. I would be inclined to add the term 'maliciously derailing' in that, and I don't think I'd be far wrong.

Dave
 
I know cleary who ass need to be ripped apart, because that person have neglected or maybe you are aware but don't care, that the Torval community have been break apart in cycle 51
for reasons that the Torval members are aware of and don't need to be discussed here.

this reasons are also reported to Zac with the necessary screenshots and it is up to Frontier of they do something about it or nothing also I have no interest to be on this kind of meeting because I believe in open door policy



Each power gets one representative. Who that representative is and how they were selected is for that power's community to figure out and divulge on their own, because doing otherwise is going to result in a massive amount of internal politics spilling out into public where it does not belong.

I honestly do not understand why people who are apparently in the leadership of their own power are so keen on complaining about the selection process here rather than internally in their own community. If they were Mahon pledges, I'd be ripping them a new ole in private for that, because that's where it belongs. This also means that if I'm not the Mahon representative at the meeting, it could be because I didn't have time, I was sick, I had connection issues or because the Mahon community doesn't trust me to do it properly - which one of those is the cause is, quite frankly, not anyone else's bloody business.
 
Last edited:
So what seems to have happened then is someone picked an arbitrary person from Torval, probably one who happened to fit their agenda, and invited them with zero discussion with the Torval community whatsoever.
 
Status
Thread Closed: Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom