Is 3P mining dead?

Kulgrinda Kosmarjus

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My mining vessel (Anaconda) yields approx. 6-7 mil per mining trip excluding mission payout, which gives another 5-6. I usually get 250 limpets, minimum mining threshold is gold, and I only mine it when there is at least 30-40% of it. Usually painite, platinum, palladium (missions), praseodymium (missions), rarely osmium (missions). Palladium missions are for sourcing, not mining, so NPCs try to sabotage quite frequently. But with high awareness I either give them hell or run :)
Also ring is metallic, pristine.
 

matemaster

matemaster
EValve said:
What kind of time-frame are we looking at? That said, it places it just above piracy and exploration. Both which yet have to have a serious undertaking.

7-12Mil/hour is the very least I'd expect from a top tier ship... It's an investment after-all.
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7-12Mil is not possible, forget it. It was possible before 2.1 with some serious mining mission stacking
I am mining in corvette only in haz RES or hi RES and can make 5mil/hour. If I am seriously lucky I can make 7-8mil/hour, depends on painite occurance
 

Marshall...

Marshall...
EValve said:
What kind of time-frame are we looking at? That said, it places it just above piracy and exploration. Both which yet have to have a serious undertaking.

7-12Mil/hour is the very least I'd expect from a top tier ship... It's an investment after-all.
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I don't mine for profit. I do it for relaxation. If i was into profit I would either slave trade or take shadow missions.
 

Wasp0

Wasp0
Does anyone have, or know the whereabouts of, a list of Pristine Metallic systems please. I need to get back into mining, obviously for the Engineers stuff, but i fancy taking a break from PewPew missions and Chill out doing a bit of mining.

I thank you Cmdrs.
 

markuslig

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I tried mining just after the 2.1 release... I mined Painite before for a time, but stopped since i wanted to do something else. So i tried it again when i saw that i could get 80k for painite. Went to my old spot in Atins (pristine, metallic). I gave it a couple of tries, But it's nerfed nerfed nerfed, No doubt about it. It wasn't even good before. Complete waste of time to go mining! I always seem to come back to trading and hunting (res farming). Doing a mission here and there, but i prefer not to since you never know when they gonna be broken or not.

oh, and and limpets keep picking up so many junk materials that i constantly have to dump them cuz limpets can't get into cargo and dump them off, i don't really have a good idea about what i might need in the future or not. So that's sort of a pain.

complain complain complain, lol :)
 

Delilah

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Head over to Reddit's EliteMiners for a similar discussion and resources -- https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteMiners/. Folks comparing experiences and crunching numbers observe that it has been nerfed. This by reducing the value and volume of ore as a whole, removing OPP missions, strange RNG mission behaviour, the need to carry far more limpets, the increased time needed for mining, the absurdly low value of ICE, silly decisions like the one to make water (a universal necessity) dirt cheap, and so on.
 

goemon

goemon
my favourite mining spot still allows me to come back with P&P&P in the number of limpets i brought (before 2.1. it was around 20% above the limpets i brought). i need longer to prospect the rocks. the new materials make a new mining-laser/collector limpets-correlation necessary (e.g.: now it is 6+ limpets for 2 medium beam laser).

i "downgraded" to a clipper, too. the new time investment makes it cargo hold already a chllenge. i more often use a 64T mining AspE. on the other hand, sell price for metals is really high in (hightech/inustrial) boom systems.
 

EValve

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matemaster said:
7-12Mil is not possible, forget it. It was possible before 2.1 with some serious mining mission stacking
I am mining in corvette only in haz RES or hi RES and can make 5mil/hour. If I am seriously lucky I can make 7-8mil/hour, depends on painite occurance
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Sure it could, if there was actually a skill curve; visual queues to find painite. With current values of painite it would only take 170~ tons of it to make 12Mil.
There's a reason we have <Gold> mines, <Coal>mines, <Oil>rigs. They specialize in their resource. Unlike here, where Painite is a real pain in the derrière to find and entirely dependent on rolling a rigged dice.

That or simply create a mining faction same way powerplay works: deposit X amount of ores with each ore having a multiplier for rarity and hand weekly pay-outs.
It'd be a matter of copy & pasta to make for Pirates and explorers and a way to balance professions I guarantee it.

Arc said:
I don't mine for profit. I do it for relaxation. If i was into profit I would either slave trade or take shadow missions.
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"I'm not concerned so it doesn't bother me". Way to pitch in for the community [up]
 

Luniticisi

Luniticisi
Wasp0 said:
Does anyone have, or know the whereabouts of, a list of Pristine Metallic systems please. I need to get back into mining, obviously for the Engineers stuff, but i fancy taking a break from PewPew missions and Chill out doing a bit of mining.

I thank you Cmdrs.
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Try this site, seems to work ... you just type in the system name you are in and it lets you know where to go .. http://edtools.ddns.net/index.php?



Also helps with rares and RES (not too sure how up to date it is though)
 

Deleted member 38366

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I made a few Mining Runs aiming for 3P...
Apart from apparently taking more Limpets than before due to the new mix, I can still get my fill.

It's just more spread-out it seems, so it takes a while longer.

PS.
Tried LTD (Low Temperature Diamond) Mining in a Pristine Icy Ring : 250 Prospectors found me 2 Asteroids containing any. Net Result : 6 tons

So far, Icy Mining only seems to make sense if it's Missions that generate the payout.
I assume that's intentional due to the vastly higher number of Pristine Icy Rings than i.e. Pristine Metallic ones.

PPS.
What I'm missing much more i.e. in Pristine Metallic Rings is finding at least some Level 3+ Materials.
All I ever got out of them was basic Level 1-2 Matierals - so much it often started blocking the Collectors due Material storage being filled up.
Would be cool if some rare Materials would occasionally show up, that'd be a very nice byproduct of Mining.
 
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Alderius

Alderius
FalconFly said:
I made a few Mining Runs aiming for 3P...
Apart from apparently taking more Limpets than before due to the new mix, I can still get my fill.

It's just more spread-out it seems, so it takes a while longer.

PS.
Tried LTD (Low Temperature Diamond) Mining in a Pristine Icy Ring : 250 Prospectors found me 2 Asteroids containing any. Net Result : 6 tons

So far, Icy Mining only seems to make sense if it's Missions that generate the payout.
I assume that's intentional due to the vastly higher number of Pristine Icy Rings than i.e. Pristine Metallic ones.

PPS.
What I'm missing much more i.e. in Pristine Metallic Rings is finding at least some Level 3+ Materials.
All I ever got out of them was basic Level 1-2 Matierals - so much it often started blocking the Collectors due Material storage being filled up.
Would be cool if some rare Materials would occasionally show up, that'd be a very nice byproduct of Mining.
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I've managed to find 3+ materials just in the normal course of mining 3P and gold (and some osmium for mission purposes). Not a lot, but some, you have to go through a lot of asteroids to do it though [praise]
 

Stiggy

Stiggy
It's definitely more akin to panning for gold than strip mining at the moment, it takes longer to find the good stuff and with all the extra materials floating around my ships reminding me of the kitchen draw, full of stuff I'm sure will come in useful someday, probably. With the extra volume the limpets seem to have their work cut out for them, I have to keep pausing to let them catch up. 5 used to be plenty to be going on with.
Ive not found many of the 3Ps, any time I do I get server disconnects, it's most frustrating. Still venting the 'ite but at least the new 'iums have a reasonable return, spent an hour or so in the local ice ring with no diamonds in sight, pretty though. It might just be the system I'm in (HIP 13644) might just be down to luck. I'll keep on here a while longer before I try elsewhere.
 

Alderius

Alderius
Quick update, last few mining sessions were terrible, RNG or whatever was dismal, collection rate very slow, not much 3P. As we speak, seems every 2nd rock is 30%+ of a 3P, and one was a 48% Painite! Really big swings in RNG luck or some small change to the percentages? Either way, happy miner tonight but we'll see what happens in the long run! Thanks for all of your replies, hope this latest update helps!:D
 

Long Star

Long Star
I know I'm a noob but, I've been doing great mining since the 6-3-2016 update.

I will share my data with you but not with the whole of the community. Too many dangers.

Hit me up in PM I'll give you location for $3-4M/Hr in the Python. 3Ps. I've found a system that has 15% of the rock is Palladium and heavy Painite. Its also 20LY far from a 74k/ton Painite sell station.
 

Deleted member 115407

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Alderius said:
After nearly losing my mining Anaconda right after the upgrade, I decided to move back to a clipper. The Annie just couldn't turn fast enough to keep the smaller fighters off, fair enough. I take the new clipper back to the rings and, as expected, get immediately jumped by 4 pirates. I just boost boost away until they drop off the radar and go about carving up rocks. I'm just on my third session in this ring (and pirates spawn every single time I start), and the 3p pickings are really slim. Lots of the new stuff, carbon, nickel, etc etc, but my 3P collection rate is maybe 1/3 to 1/4 of what it was. In my experience mining wasn't so lucrative that it needed to be nerfed, but this takes mining speeds back to the manual collection days......[blah]
Anybody experiencing the same thing, or is my RNG luck just really really bad over the last few days?

Cheers all!:)
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I'm mining G+3P in a high security system and have had no problems. I run small ships, but I can't imagine that it matters when prospecting. If you need any guidance, let me know and I'll try to help.

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FalconFly said:
I made a few Mining Runs aiming for 3P...
PS.
Tried LTD (Low Temperature Diamond) Mining in a Pristine Icy Ring : 250 Prospectors found me 2 Asteroids containing any. Net Result : 6 tons
So far, Icy Mining only seems to make sense if it's Missions that generate the payout.
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Even then, I can't get ice-mining to pay out mission-wise, so I went back to free-mining metals. I did find some Low Temp Diamond, but it was few and far between. Easier, I think just to find Painite in the Metallic rings while I target gold+.
 
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Long Star

Long Star
In the interest of improving mining for everybody I'll tell you all everything I know or believe to be true about it...

Known
A Prospectors Only: Yield more fragments per rock.
D2 Mining Lasers Only: They cut 3.5X as efficient at D1, Only require 2X the power of D1. https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteMiners/comments/3xyjbf/mining_lasers_weapons_capacitor_use_numbers/
Not all Pristine Metallic Rings are Equal!: Some Pristine Metallics have higher concentrations of metals than others.
Good ships to mine in order: Fed Corvette, T9, Anaconda, Python, Asp Explorer, T6 (Until you can get an ASP Explorer!), Cobra.
Dropping into a HAZ/HIGH RES, move away about 10-20KM from action, and mine usually no AI show up after the initial entry. If you mine the rings without a RES, AI show up when you first come in now to pester.

Proof:

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Believe to be True
All Rocks are the same inside a ring, in terms of fragments and % chance to find a particular metal in them.
Likely other types of rings all have varying levels of materials as well, not just Pristine Metallic.
 
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