You are driving down the road I'm paving. I am lazy, I don't want to do the work to painstakingly config every and switch, and I do not have the patience for it. Not having the best of luck getting info on getting the x55 bindings in. I'll search harder later.
I did just confirm that windows sees the devices. The strange part is that windows now wants to reboot after plugging them in.
I would really like to get the X-56 but Corpsealots video didnt convince me of the quality at all.
Atm i have Thrustmaster T-Flight which has almost 1000 hours in and i seriously doubt that i can make the same with X-56 which costs like 5 times more.
Probably just have to wait and see that ThrustMaster new lineup..
I watched Corpsealot's video last night. If I had watched it weeks ago, I may not have made the purchase. I confirmed, through the Windows utility, that there is a centering issue with the yaw twist of the x55 is still there. Could be mitigated with dead zones. I still want to get some time on device before I decide to keep it or not.
That isn't what I asked, I asked whether or not the analogue thumbsticks able to get pressed as buttons like for example 2nd fire button?
I read on sc forum a guy said only the stick side of the analogue thumbstick able to be pressed while the one in the throttle couldn't, is this true?
That isn't what I asked, I asked whether or not the analogue thumbsticks able to get pressed as buttons like for example 2nd fire button?
I read on sc forum a guy said only the stick side of the analogue thumbstick able to be pressed while the one in the throttle couldn't, is this true?
See link in Spookyy's comment on previous page
Having a 15 month old X52 fail in both units, throttle last week (fixed), and joystick yesterday (not fixable without new internal cable), not buying Madcatz products again. EVER.
I'm a retired electronics engineer, so do recognise bad quality internals when I see them.
See link in Spookyy's comment on previous page
Having a 15 month old X52 fail in both units, throttle last week (fixed), and joystick yesterday (not fixable without new internal cable), not buying Madcatz products again. EVER.
I'm a retired electronics engineer, so do recognise bad quality internals when I see them.
Might be a silly question, but if you are a retired electronics engineer why don't you just fix them yourself and do it properly? It's not that complex or difficult, you can reuse the connectors etc.
I'm not an electronics engineer (an engineer of a different ilk) but that's what I will do if the wiring goes in my X-55. To be honest, part of me is looking forward to it breaking.
Might be a silly question, but if you are a retired electronics engineer why don't you just fix them yourself and do it properly? It's not that complex or difficult, you can reuse the connectors etc.
I'm not an electronics engineer (an engineer of a different ilk) but that's what I will do if the wiring goes in my X-55. To be honest, part of me is looking forward to it breaking.
The real reason, is old age, the eyesight is what it used to be. Even with a counterpoised magnifying lamp, I have difficulty making sure I am only soldering the correct wire and pcb pad at the other end.
I have ribbon cable which would be ideal for the job, would ensure wires are not rubbing each other. BUT, the yaw mechanism is by a pin fixed to the left hand part of the joystick handle which goes though holes in the metal tube which is main part of structure. There is no way that a ribbon cable and that pin work together, there just isn't the room. It is this pin the wires have rubbed against and causing the short circuits. One s/cct is on button 3 which I had mapped to landing gear, I think originally the default is 'lock on target ahead'. The second s/cct is on a red wire, which is probably supply for numerous switches, including some in the throttle, as it affects the slider and the x and y rotaries as well.
Plus I have other jobs that need doing, that according to "Others" are more important.
P.S. The wire for the yaw pot were also too short and not of equal length, these I did replace.
I received by X56 yesterday and played last night. Here are my thoughts so far:
The rudder not returning to centre fault quoted in the video doesn't exist on my device.
The throttle damping is *really* stiff and gave my left arm a good work out last night.
The unit is designed for people with giant hands. I can hardly get my hand around the throttle unit and the palm rest needs about an extra 1cm to 2cm of padding to bring it up to a reasonable height for me, even with the extra shim.
The drivers and software *are* available on the Saitek web site and have been since 24th May according to their timestamp, so the reviewer didn't look hard.
The drivers didn't install flawlessly. I had to go into the Device Manager and ask Windows to search for the driver, which it picked up straight away.
Contrary to the review the software does allow re-calibration and to give calibration curves to all axes except for the thumb sticks.
Both thumb sticks are also buttons.
The thumb stick axes are *very* sensitive, making thrusting slowly tricky.
I've had a couple of glitches on the throttle unit where it would spontaneously press a button when doing something else. This is not as if wires are shorting as the second time the throttle wasn't being moved (just thumb stick) and one of the toggle switch actions actuated. I'm guessing that this is a driver fault.
I prefer the hat/button layout on the top of the X52 Pro to the X56.
It's nice to have both a pinky button and secondary fire on the little finger location on the stick.
Pressing the stick thumb-stick as a button is tricky as it's quite stiff.
The grip on the stick and throttle are a little too slippery, meaning that you have to grib more tightly and use the space where the stick thumb-stick is for your thumb so as to operate the rudder effectively.
The light colour is a gimick and the blue colour of the plastic defeats the object of the multiple colours.
Once the "Blue" springs were installed I found the joystick very accurate, though I did have to add very small dead zones in the centre even after calibration to stop drift.
The tumb stick centring isn't accurate all the time, so dead zones needed to be added.
I know it seems as if I've given a lot of negative items there but over all it's a good stick. I merely need to get used to it and hopefully the very rare glitches with phantom button presses will be fixed with driver updates.
I received by X56 yesterday and played last night. Here are my thoughts so far:
The rudder not returning to centre fault quoted in the video doesn't exist on my device.
The throttle damping is *really* stiff and gave my left arm a good work out last night.
The unit is designed for people with giant hands. I can hardly get my hand around the throttle unit and the palm rest needs about an extra 1cm to 2cm of padding to bring it up to a reasonable height for me, even with the extra shim.
The drivers and software *are* available on the Saitek web site and have been since 24th May according to their timestamp, so the reviewer didn't look hard.
The drivers didn't install flawlessly. I had to go into the Device Manager and ask Windows to search for the driver, which it picked up straight away.
Contrary to the review the software does allow re-calibration and to give calibration curves to all axes except for the thumb sticks.
Both thumb sticks are also buttons.
The thumb stick axes are *very* sensitive, making thrusting slowly tricky.
I've had a couple of glitches on the throttle unit where it would spontaneously press a button when doing something else. This is not as if wires are shorting as the second time the throttle wasn't being moved (just thumb stick) and one of the toggle switch actions actuated. I'm guessing that this is a driver fault.
I prefer the hat/button layout on the top of the X52 Pro to the X56.
It's nice to have both a pinky button and secondary fire on the little finger location on the stick.
Pressing the stick thumb-stick as a button is tricky as it's quite stiff.
The grip on the stick and throttle are a little too slippery, meaning that you have to grib more tightly and use the space where the stick thumb-stick is for your thumb so as to operate the rudder effectively.
The light colour is a gimick and the blue colour of the plastic defeats the object of the multiple colours.
Once the "Blue" springs were installed I found the joystick very accurate, though I did have to add very small dead zones in the centre even after calibration to stop drift.
The tumb stick centring isn't accurate all the time, so dead zones needed to be added.
I know it seems as if I've given a lot of negative items there but over all it's a good stick. I merely need to get used to it and hopefully the very rare glitches with phantom button presses will be fixed with driver updates.
If you have a computer with an Intel USB 3.0 chipset then you either have to disable half your PC or go for the plain X52 or X56 as the X52 Pro doesn't play nicely and can cause your computer to lock up completely.
As for utility, the X52 Pro is definitely nice to use, but I found that I had to use the sucker feet as the bases of the two units are way too light. The X52 Pro seems better for small(ish) hands.
However, the X56 has far more switches and although the shaft of the joystick is plastic (like the X55) it does feel sturdier. The control software is far better too. The use of a thumb stick for lateral thrusters makes that part of flying far more precise.
As for recommendation... Tricky. I'm not sure if it's worth double the price of the X52 Pro, but is is a step up in many ways.
If you have a computer with an Intel USB 3.0 chipset then you either have to disable half your PC or go for the plain X52 or X56 as the X52 Pro doesn't play nicely and can cause your computer to lock up completely.
As for utility, the X52 Pro is definitely nice to use, but I found that I had to use the sucker feet as the bases of the two units are way too light. The X52 Pro seems better for small(ish) hands.
However, the X56 has far more switches and although the shaft of the joystick is plastic (like the X55) it does feel sturdier. The control software is far better too. The use of a thumb stick for lateral thrusters makes that part of flying far more precise.
As for recommendation... Tricky.
I'm not sure if it's worth double the price of the X52 Pro, but is is a step up in many ways.
Thanks again, energy field +1 going your way Shame about the USB on the Pro...that nixes that, I guess I'll need to anticipate the next iteration in that category.
This does make my decisions a tough one. I could probably swing the cost of the X-56 (250 USD from one seller that I saw) after some rationalization and month of no booze (best idea I've ever had for saving money , shouldn't drink so much anyway).
I've looked at the T-flight Hotas X but it is just too simplistic...lacking a fully analog 6DOF
I have a stick I'm happy with so picking up a throttle would be fine, but those options are slim as well. The CH Throttle with its linear axis and, again, no analog stick won't cut it...certainly not at that price. And the warthog throttle...270 USD, NOPE
Oh well...here is to hoping I stumble upon a gift card to my local Micro Center.
I'm still wondering if the x56 is what has become of that promised star citizen hotas. Either way, it just doesn't look like quality for money. If it were well made I'd get one in a second (even despite the uggo blue stripes). As is, I'm white satisfied with my CH Fighterstick and Pro Throttle. They may look basic but they are well made, accurate and versatile.
My new X56 Does have the "not returning to center" on the Roll (twist) to the right function. I corrected that by adding a little dead zone. I found it also had a slight downward drift so I added a small dead zone to that also. My right wrist is sore as the roll (twist) action is VERY stiff on my unit. I also had to play around with some of my USB ports till I found one's that eliminated the ghost switch activation's. The best thing I can say about the unit at this time is that there are more switches than I can find uses for. I ticketed MadCatz about the fact that it does NOT come with a manual yet among other problems and they e-mailed me back that since it is ONLY an UPGRADE to the X-55 that I can use THAT manual. I wrote back that the X-55 manual (which I had downloaded) Had things different from the X-56 such as the color of the different sized springs not matching and that the X-55 comes with a "test" and "Set up" software that does NOT seem to come with the X-56 so I can't test each switch yet. I am a little afraid to try and use the X-55 software for my X-56 . I am waiting for word back on further help from them in that regard. More and hopefully better results to be reported soon.
On the Star Citizen HOTAS, that is still in the works but it seems funky by what I have seen to far.
I received by X56 yesterday and played last night. Here are my thoughts so far:
The rudder not returning to centre fault quoted in the video doesn't exist on my device.
The throttle damping is *really* stiff and gave my left arm a good work out last night.
The unit is designed for people with giant hands. I can hardly get my hand around the throttle unit and the palm rest needs about an extra 1cm to 2cm of padding to bring it up to a reasonable height for me, even with the extra shim.
The drivers and software *are* available on the Saitek web site and have been since 24th May according to their timestamp, so the reviewer didn't look hard.
The drivers didn't install flawlessly. I had to go into the Device Manager and ask Windows to search for the driver, which it picked up straight away.
Contrary to the review the software does allow re-calibration and to give calibration curves to all axes except for the thumb sticks.
Both thumb sticks are also buttons.
The thumb stick axes are *very* sensitive, making thrusting slowly tricky.
I've had a couple of glitches on the throttle unit where it would spontaneously press a button when doing something else. This is not as if wires are shorting as the second time the throttle wasn't being moved (just thumb stick) and one of the toggle switch actions actuated. I'm guessing that this is a driver fault.
I prefer the hat/button layout on the top of the X52 Pro to the X56.
It's nice to have both a pinky button and secondary fire on the little finger location on the stick.
Pressing the stick thumb-stick as a button is tricky as it's quite stiff.
The grip on the stick and throttle are a little too slippery, meaning that you have to grib more tightly and use the space where the stick thumb-stick is for your thumb so as to operate the rudder effectively.
The light colour is a gimick and the blue colour of the plastic defeats the object of the multiple colours.
Once the "Blue" springs were installed I found the joystick very accurate, though I did have to add very small dead zones in the centre even after calibration to stop drift.
The tumb stick centring isn't accurate all the time, so dead zones needed to be added.
I know it seems as if I've given a lot of negative items there but over all it's a good stick. I merely need to get used to it and hopefully the very rare glitches with phantom button presses will be fixed with driver updates.
Nice to read confirmation that both analogue thumbsticks are push able, so x56 overall has 4 more axes and 1 more button, good...
As for accuracy, believe me, thrustmaster t.16000m is far more accurate than any saitek sticks lol... If only thrustmaster produce something equal to the x55/56 with better quality... Or even vetter, VKB is the one who should do it, I'd pay as much as a gtx980ti price for a hotas with x56 functionality and vkb black mamba quality build and component lol.
As for accuracy, believe me, thrustmaster t.16000m is far more accurate than any saitek sticks lol... If only thrustmaster produce something equal to the x55/56 with better quality... Or even vetter, VKB is the one who should do it, I'd pay as much as a gtx980ti price for a hotas with x56 functionality and vkb black mamba quality build and component lol.
Thrustmaster will have an updated version of the T.16000M coming out later in the year. Looking forward to seeing how that turns out. And it is thought they are working on a new high-end (Warthog level) HOTAS.
I am also hoping that VKB's Gladiator will be available through a European partner soon, but they really need to produce a new throttle solution to go alongside their sticks.
