Of course there are going to be wipes, but I was unsure if there was going to be a wipe before P-Beta, telling me to "Get used to it" is not necessary ..
FD - Fix the Credits Hack PLS!
- Thread starter Luniticisi
- Start date
Of course there are going to be wipes, but I was unsure if there was going to be a wipe before P-Beta, telling me to "Get used to it" is not necessary ..
I've only read the OP, so apologies if this has been covered but...
I'm trying to is test the trading mechanism, to see how long it takes me to get enough credits together to do upgrades. Unfortunately, my testing is being rendered pointless by others using money hacks to award themselves gazillions of credits, which when used distort the market because more commodities are being bought than would be otherwise.
I can understand that a player might want to reinstate their previous credit level if credits were lost due to a bug (I'd consider doing it myself if it ever happened to me), bit using the hack in any other situation is selfish IMO.
If you find an exploit, WELL DONE! - it'what the testing process is for, but use is it just enough to verify the method, report the exploit to FD, don't post what you found on the forum (or anywhere else), and STOP USING IT.
Yes it does, just not immediately. Medium term, it will help everyone who just wants to play the game. Just because a bug or exploit or whatever is big and obvious, doesn't mean it's an easy fix. Remember that every bug or exploit or hack they clean up could easily affect some other aspect of the game that, up to then, worked fine.
Look at the canister dumping outside a station problem. What was a simple mechanic, the ability to dump cargo, is now a problem that causes inconvenience to those who have good enough systems to cope with it and is a game-breaker for those who just slow to an unplayable crawl.
Fixing that isn't easy. You have to change the rules on how to eject cargo, how it happens, why it happens, where it happens, how quickly, how easily and on and on. And that's just because someone most likely thought 'I wonder what happens if I do this...'
So you change the rules on dumping cargo. What does that affect? How? When? What else comes up as a result? And so it repeats.
So who knows what else a credit hack has revealed to the devs?
It's a frustrating process, I know. It's infuriating seeing others game the system and cheat and screw up a game you genuinely give a toss about. Yes, some are doing it to be gimps, but a lot are doing it because it needs to be done. And at this stage of development there are more people playing that are genuinely wanting to make the game better than there are just trying to ruin it for everyone else.
And I am sure you sent a ticket for each and any of the problems you found in doing so ... I have absolutely NO problem here... you are testing the game ..
I pledged to P-beta stage to help "Test" the game not to "play it as a game" and as a P-Beta backer I cannot 'Move on to finding other bugs.' -
But this isn't a game yet. It doesn't matter how far we get in the next week, all progress will be wiped come the beta phase. There is legitimate testing to be done at the upper end of the credit range, and I just don't think the Alpha has been set up to do that testing. Imagine there's a 1-in-100 bug that appears when using the Anaconda. If you can't get access to an Anaconda until three months of grind in the beta phase, that bug isn't going to get much in the way of reproduction until it's very late in the process. The more people who can get hands-on with the more expensive ships and equipment, the sooner we'll encounter and ticket those bugs.
Which is why it's a good thing that not everyone is doing it. Certainly it doesn't help test the balance of the game as a whole; I happen to think that the game is unfairly balanced towards combat at the start, as it's much more profitable to go bounty hunting in your Sidewinder than it is to trade. If everyone immediately starts out with an Anaconda, that kind of information gets lost.
Some people *will* use the exploit in ways that don't help the testing, for sure. Some people won't use the exploit and won't help the testing either. It's par for the course; as long as the *majority* are using it for the right reasons, I don't see the problem.
I can name you one thing that can even affect those who say "I don't care how many credits that other player hacked into their account" - the cost of the more expensive armor, ammunition, repairs, ship insurance. If you have unlimited money, of course you can stuff all the most expensive things into your ship, always fire the biggest missiles in every fight and not care whether you live or die, because for you everything is free.
And then, on top of that, imagine how unscrupulous a griefer would be with regards to hacking and cheating...
I agree with this, however, it's not really happening is it? The same exploit/hack/bug is being "tested" over and over again ad nauseam.
Alpha is not the only testing ground, that's why we have Beta approaching, to say that people HAVE to cheat because Alpha is just too short, is a load of rubbish ... we have possibly Months of Beta testing coming ... so all of these things that people have mentioned will be tested fully over time ... Testing this game is not only for the Alpha backers .. we are all in this together.
Tell me about it! I'm getting bored of them now. I fully agree that using a hacked ship to grief other players is not cool. However given the limited play time we have (2 weeks before beta) I think that my time is better spent testing the game properly, not doing milk runs in a sidewinder and running away from combat.
Personally I think that FD should have made an item on the market free to buy and say 10,000 credits to sell. That way we could all get the credits we need to actually test things, without reverting to hack the client. However adding credits to our account is so laughably easy just now that it's not exactly a big deal and it's probably good that the community is splitting itself a little to test different things.
Also Jason S; the 'Mini Elite': (the game economy). What happens to the normal players ability to play the game if massive amounts of money is suddenly flowing through the games system? My brain can't handle this question; I don't understand enough, but some people here do...
Maybe the problem is that no-one from FD has given much feedback so some players think the issue's not being given the attention they feel it deserves. I really don't think that's the case and, until there's something to report on the issue, the only thing the devs can say is 'aware and working on a solution'.
It's when they do down the 'working as intended' road that it starts to get worrying
Should be ok with the scale of the game and they will not all be making the same trades at the same times. Even the biggest playable ship should not be able to distort markets. If a hundred players grouped together then perhaps but i am not worried.
You can't "cheat" at testing. Unless, by cheating, you mean pretending to test it but not really testing it.
You're confusing playing the game with testing the game.
how on earth did you come to the conclusion that I am "confusing playing the game with testing the game" from what I said above.. I think I was quite clear (but I bolded my points to make it clearer) I think the people who are using the hack to advance their character, monetarily wise are "confusing playing the game with testing the game"
Sounds likes these (exploiter/testers) have very little patience;-can't wait less than (2) wks. to practice their 'craft'. Well I think they've just exploit/tested it. FD has got to have seen (this problem) by now. Fix it!
The other thing;... the game is about 'grinding' up to get the money to buy the more powerful ships. Many of us are still employed; sure we're short on time to test. 2 weeks of patience is not too much! This 'Mini Elite' economy test is just the start:-- With larger numbers of solar systems in the pool, even with (4)tons of cargo space in all or most ships; FD will have a good idea of how the economy is working. If you exploiters screw up the balance of credits in the game now; it does not help FD work out their solutions; all it does is delay the progress and release of this wonderful game. Do your game exploiting during the Premium Beta; hopefully the effects of your (tests) won't be so disastrous on everyone else...
Having hacked the game and seen how utterly easy it is (seriously, a 12yr old kid could do it on his own), I agree that FD needts to swap sensitive data into the servers and athenticate every transaction. It's ridicullous right now.
Exactly.
BTW I find singular the high prices of the new ships in this Alpha: we already know that credits can be gained by playing... in this stage people should not be forced to grind their way out for testing purposes (like Razorwire explained).
There is no reason to run an alpha game if not for testing it. If you want to test the combat capabilities of your new anaconda just go in an anarchist system, while if you only want to test trading then take some safer routes.
Last edited: