General / Off-Topic EU Referendum (UK only) - to Brexit or not to Brexit

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain

    Votes: 155 50.2%

  • Leave

    Votes: 154 49.8%
  • Total voters
    309
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ianw

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Mad Mike said:
I am not normally an MP appologiser but in this I cant agree.. like the guy or not they way I see it is this.

YES his job is (was) to lead the country through bad times AND through good..... generally.

However if the voters were for vote for something so against what he believes in and that he feels goes against what he stands for then I can see why he may feel he either is unable, or unwilling to push on.

Brexit is not something forced on us due to an act of God or an act of war, for better or for worse it is something we have decided for ourselves, and is something which he was absolutely against. In a way having the person lead the country in a direction which they are personally directly opposed to is not something I would want anyway. Really it needs to be led by someone who was involved in persuading the country to go down this road and let them sink or swim with it.

Sadly this means probably Boris.
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Yes I think Cameron basically painted himself into a corner on this. He probably really thought that sufficient people would or could be persuaded to support remain.

Now he's stuck with it - if he soldiered on people would be screaming for his head (both in and out of the party).

And he's done what some might see as the honourable thing - though clearly not all - and fallen on his sword.

So yup - Boris inbound...
 

Squady

Squady
Javert said:
We should recognize the point that overall across the country, we were (still are at this moment) a net contributor to the EU, so if you leave out all other factors, in theory there would be more money to distribute to those regions.

However, do you trust a conservative government with right wing leaders in the ascendancy to do so? These regions receiving this EU money are mostly not tory seats and not likely to be any time soon. Where do you think they will choose to send the money?
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This brings a very good point to the fore, were people voting against a conservative/x government on the basis of past history. Or truly voting to leave Europe, I suspect more than a few were...
 

Leper Messiah

Leper Messiah
Can we just stop the bull of bigotry and other tasteless remarks please. It's Bigotry to DENY a person their right to an ancestral homeland of culture and heritage. Don't like how it's gone then people should have tried to fit in better and adjust culturally to the country they moved to for a better life.

Fact is the EU's dictatorship level of uncompromising over the movement of EU citizens has led to this. Just a little bit of common sense compromise would have meant no need for a referendum.
 

Aewarin Jameson

Aewarin Jameson
Ozric said:
And still no-one talks about the dangers now facing our environment and wildlife without the EU protection laws.
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Wife told me the same - the sole reason for nice beaches at Blackpool and the likes is down to EU law forcing local councils to clean up.

Do people not remember back in the 80s being told not to paddle there in case that thing floating in the water wasn't a piece of bark ?

Once the EU laws have been untangled from UK law do you honestly think lobbyists / politicians / businesses are going to give a [expletive] about our environment if it hurts their pocket ?
 
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Fyrd Judge

Fyrd Judge
Corbin and his band of left wing fanatics are getting blamed for the lose of the vote, from Labour MPs and the SNP. Labour MPs are now trying to get rid of Corbin, starting next week and all his left wing fanatics.

Seems we could be treated with more great news. The death of the left wing in the UK.
 

Genar-Hofoen

Genar-Hofoen
Frank said:
The second Scottish Independence Referendum will be because of the very clear split in the opinions of England and Scotland over Europe. It would only be fair that the question should be about leaving the UK specifically to join the EU. It would be important that everyone's vote on this counts, but there is a chance that you'd find yourself in the minority. I take it that you've seen this map..

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CluDcjSWkAAQARq.jpg
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You basically just posted a map of which areas voted for what. This was in reply to a post I made which underlined the key facts and situation hidden underneath that map.

Here they are again:


  • The SNP lost their majority in the last Scottish parliament elections.
  • Party membership polls showed between 33 & 35% of SNP members supporting Brexit, before the vote. Think about that - that's at least 30% of SNP voters who voted for Leave.
  • Scotland voted No to the last IndyRef vote.
  • Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP would have to answer the following question : "Where's the logic in gaining Independence from the UK, only to hand that over to the EU?" - it defies all logic. The Scottish electorate will see right through that, and would vote No in any IndyRef2, not that that's ever going to happen due to....
  • The final nail in the coffin of an IndyRef2 is beautifully summed up in this article here : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...s-second-independence-referendum--that-suits/

The 2 million votes which voted No in the IndyRef 2 years ago, are in no way whatsoever negated by the 1.6 million votes that voted for Remain yesterday.

Regards.
 

Philip Coutts

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Philip Coutts
Unfortunately Indy ref 2 for Scotland is almost inevitable, not quite but pretty much a certainty. Nicola Sturgeon has already come out and said they are planning for it.

Also Boris might like to play up to the bumbling image but he is a dangerous man and not someone I want to be in charge of the NHS and benefits.

Anyway, I hear Canada is nice.
 
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Cosmo

Cosmo
Philip Coutts said:
Unfortunately Indy ref 2 for Scotland is almost inevitable, not quite but pretty much a certainty. Nicola Sturgeon has already come out and said they are planning for it.
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Scotland had a referendum recently. It won't happen again or not for a looooooooooooong time. They can't do a referendum every few years till they get what they want.

Another Scottish referendum won't happen for at least another generation.

An independence referendum would be fiercely opposed by many Scots and would require legal approval by the UK parliament, which could be reluctant to grant it given past SNP assurances that the 2014 vote was a “once in a generation event”.


Also:

Cameron red-faced after German official says Brussels WILL trade with Britain after Brexit

DAVID Cameron and George Osborne’s economic scaremongering over Britain’s potential exit from the European Union has been laughed off by a senior German official.

Mr Kerber said: “Imposing trade barriers, imposing protectionist measures between our two countries or between the two political centres, the EU on the one hand and the UK on the other, would be a very, very foolish thing in the 21st Century.

“The BDI would urge politicians on both sides to come up with a trade regime that enables us to uphold and maintain the levels of trade we have.”

:) :p
 
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Lianachan

Lianachan
Philip Coutts said:
Unfortunately Indy ref 2 for Scotland is almost inevitable, not quite but pretty much a certainty. Nicola Sturgeon has already come out and said they are planning for it.

Also Boris might like to play up to the bumbling image but he is a dangerous man and not someone I want to be in charge of the NHS and benefits.

Anyway, I hear Canada is nice.
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Well, that's your opinion. Other opinions are available.
 

ianw

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Philip Coutts said:
Unfortunately Indy ref 2 for Scotland is almost inevitable, not quite but pretty much a certainty. Nicola Sturgeon has already come out and said they are planning for it.

Also Boris might like to play up to the bumbling image but he is a dangerous man and not someone I want to be in charge of the NHS and benefits.

Anyway, I hear Canada is nice.
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Well you never know - come the general election the peeps might vote for a competent, electable and nice party.

Oh hang on - there's no such thing..
 

Jacob Marshall

Jacob Marshall
Ozric said:
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And still no-one talks about the dangers now facing our environment and wildlife without the EU protection laws.
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Aye, my better half expressed the same concerns.

"If we leave..."
"Ha!" I laughed, "we'd never be that stupid"*
"If we leave, we used to be know as 'the Dirty Man of Europe', what's to stop that happening again?"

I hope there are reasons.

*FML.
 

Surfinjo

Surfinjo
Now that we're out of the EU so presumably, not subject to they so called diktats,

Who do the gov blame when they want to do things we don't like?
 

Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
US President Barack Obama has noted Friday Brexit, saying the UK and the European Union remain "essential partners" of the United States, the candidate to his succession Hillary Clinton stressing him as the "special relationship" between Washington and London.
 

Sooden

Sooden
Liqua said:
Wife told me the same - the sole reason for nice beaches at Blackpool and the likes is down to EU law forcing local councils to clean up.

Do people not remember back in the 80s being told not to paddle there in case that thing floating in the water wasn't a piece of bark ?

Once the EU laws have been untangled from UK law do you honestly think lobbyists / politicians / businesses are going to give a [expletive] about our environment if it hurts their pocket ?
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lol, i remember, i was a kid in the 80's...never did me any harm (twitch). As i kid , i lived up north and holidayed at Blackpool. i seem to remember sewer outlets directly onto the beach :) free toys, everywhere (mr hanky )

but , such things like this would be rectified without the EU cus we have the interweb, and any local problems on a scale such as this can now get attention.

Without the EU, it does mean the people will have to work that little harder to get things done... maybe it's the idea of having to take responsibility for such things that is worrying people? They don't trust in their own power (true or not, that's an issue that needs looking at)

Lot easier to set up campaigns than it was when blackpool came with its own charms, time for the UK to start taking responsibility for its slef
 
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