General / Off-Topic EU Referendum (UK only) - to Brexit or not to Brexit

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain

    Votes: 155 50.2%

  • Leave

    Votes: 154 49.8%
  • Total voters
    309
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Minonian

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knowles2 said:
Westminster won't have time to push through the neccessary legislation. I think the chances of a vote is slim to none.
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If they want to do it, than they do not going to waste time, and find the way. I don't really know the English law, but i think they can find something with the label of emergency or something like that. They can make it within 1-3 months.

Edit; And they don't need to worry about their popularity. I think this government are pretty much done for, and have nothing to lose, just like the prime minister.
 
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Arconedas

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Frank said:
The head of the European Commission is already trying to strongarm us into Article 50 as quickly as possible. They know the more hurried the deals the more chance that Britain will end up with the sticky end of the stick.

The Brexit campaigners don't have a clue. They must have been caught off guard by the win. They were so sure they would lose they didn't even bother with any cover stories for their blatant lies. When asked about the extra money for hospitals, Farage just shrugged and smiled at the camera like some glaikit rich banker who screwed the country for his own personal gain.

Europe will want to make an example of us. To show to the other members that leaving is bad for whoever tries. If Scotland goes independent then there's a chance we might do well out of it. I'm sure the EU would love to have a positive example to show of a part of the British Mainland that decided to stay with them.
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The sooner its done the better for everyone. We cannot wait for 3 months, as long as this thing is not settled the markets will remain 'chaotic'. I'm sure the new trade terms will be reasonable, not as good as they are now but decent enough. Something like whats going on between Switzerland/Norway and EU (google EFTA).
 

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I think this is obviously needed, so I'm just going to leave it here.
[video=youtube;T72TopWbXJg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T72TopWbXJg[/video]
 

Minonian

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Minonian
Arconedas said:
The sooner its done the better for everyone. We cannot wait for 3 months, as long as this thing is not settled the markets will remain 'chaotic'. I'm sure the new trade terms will be reasonable, not as good as they are now but decent enough. Something like whats going on between Switzerland/Norway and EU (google EFTA).
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And don't forget this verdict only became legit after the government make it so.
 

Lowievisser

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Arconedas said:
The sooner its done the better for everyone. We cannot wait for 3 months, as long as this thing is not settled the markets will remain 'chaotic'. I'm sure the new trade terms will be reasonable, not as good as they are now but decent enough. Something like whats going on between Switzerland/Norway and EU (google EFTA).
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those 2 you mention have a flourish economy atm. better as EU members , and for quite a long time now.

http://www.ibtimes.com/norway-swede...ally-better-their-euro-zone-neighbors-1462750 <-- from 2013 and went only better since then.
 
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knowles2

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Lianachan said:
Oh, it's happening alright.
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The only legally enforceable vote is one with Westminster backing, Westminster is going to be way to busy sorting all of the other      out to deal with Scotland it all about me me me attitude or Northern Ireland for the foreseeable future, which in Northern Ireland case is probably a dangerous thing to do.
 

Becks

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Arconedas said:
The sooner its done the better for everyone. We cannot wait for 3 months, as long as this thing is not settled the markets will remain 'chaotic'. I'm sure the new trade terms will be reasonable, not as good as they are now but decent enough. Something like whats going on between Switzerland/Norway and EU (google EFTA).
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You've misunderstood something. There will be no new trade deal directly after the leave negotiations.
 

Arconedas

Arconedas
Minonian said:
And don't forget this verdict only became legit after the government make it so.
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I just want to point out that i'm not British. I understand why EU wants to hasten this process, nobody will be investing anything until this thing gets resolved, not in Britain, not in EU. Its bad for everyone if this exit will be delayed for too long.
 

Arconedas

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Becks said:
You've misunderstood something. There will be no new trade deal directly after the leave negotiations.
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Yes ofcourse, old deals will remain in effect until new ones are ready. Just that this 'uncertainty', whether UK will leave EU or not and when brings instability to markets.
 

Lowievisser

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Arconedas said:
I just want to point out that i'm not British. I understand why EU wants to hasten this process, nobody will be investing anything until this thing gets resolved, not in Britain, not in EU. Its bad for everyone if this exit will be delayed for too long.
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dunno , i think planning cost way more time , and nothing has started yet , just the referendum is over.

+ side of trade deals that money can be made , makes ppl willing.
 
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Frank

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Lowievisser said:
The only reason EU wants to do it quickly is to hurt UK and prevent other countries to leave the EU as well. In which they will fail miserably as with all issues within the EU.
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It's Scotland, England, and Northern Ireland in the Combat Zone, fighting all those other European countries for the best deal. I have this weird feeling that two of those ships are going to leave the instance so they can rejoin as the other side.
 

Becks

Becks
Arconedas said:
Yes ofcourse, old deals will remain in effect until new ones are ready. Just that this 'uncertainty', whether UK will leave EU or not and when brings instability to markets.
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. After the leave negotiations you need to renegotiate every major trade deal involving the EU. Yes even those with Non EU countries.

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Monk said:
Are new trade deals part of the negotiations?
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They're not. Article 50 is solely about the leave. The negotiations for the framework for new relations start after the leave negotiations.
 

ianw

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Becks said:
You've misunderstood something. There will be no new trade deal directly after the leave negotiations.
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And you and others seem to be persistently refusing to acknowledge the possibility that the EU as it exists now may not exist in that way before the leave negotiations conclude nevermind after them.

Which is why I don't think they will have too much choice about how they respond - there is too much at stake for them. They are just as subject to the unpredictable flow of events beyond their control as everyone else now this thing has gone this way.
 

Becks

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ianw said:
And you and others seem to be persistently refusing to acknowledge the possibility that the EU as it exists now may not exist in that way before the leave negotiations conclude nevermind after them.

Which is why I don't think they will have too much choice about how they respond - there is too much at stake for them. They are just as subject to the unpredictable flow of events beyond their control as everyone else now this thing has gone this way.
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Like I said. It's spiraling out of control ^^
 

Minonian

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Arconedas said:
I just want to point out that i'm not British. I understand why EU wants to hasten this process, nobody will be investing anything until this thing gets resolved, not in Britain, not in EU. Its bad for everyone if this exit will be delayed for too long.
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The thing is for the Eu sooner is done is better.

If it cannot be avoided. But both for the UK and EU is better to stay together in one piece. For my part i hope this resolution.
 
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