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I dont see the joystick, when in the Rift, visuals dont count for me, but feeling and handling does - no joystick delivers better on those points. If you have flown only once with a WH and felt the incredible build quality and the impressive precision, that allows you to stay on target like never before, there is no other option in my opinion. I own it for two weeks now - and i am finally flying a real VR spaceship, thanks to the WH and the Rift.
Replacement HOTAS - X56 vs Warthog
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I dont see the joystick, when in the Rift, visuals dont count for me, but feeling and handling does - no joystick delivers better on those points. If you have flown only once with a WH and felt the incredible build quality and the impressive precision, that allows you to stay on target like never before, there is no other option in my opinion. I own it for two weeks now - and i am finally flying a real VR spaceship, thanks to the WH and the Rift.
Fair enough, it's a personal choice. No one is denying the quality of the Warthog. I'm just saying that the X52 is the sweet spot between price, quality, space theme, and ergonomics.
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Take a look at the used pages on the Thrustmaster site http://shop.thrustmaster.com/en_gb/deals-41/used-products/occasion-hotas-warthogtm.html
You are totally right. Two X52s are with no doubt a decent setup for a spacegame with much bang for the buck.
took me a week or so to get used to pedals - with a lot of swearing and insurance payments included. Now i love em. The way you can slide and strafe feels just natural (to me) now. The times i switch to FAoff have been reduced a lot. The 3 additional analog axis' really add to my flying style and skill. I use the new rudders by thrustmaster, but i will switch to some decent metal ones, when i have some money to spare. Next will be a GTX 1080, whuch is much more needed than metal pedals.
It's FA Off that encourages me to use twisty yaw. I can pull of some tasty moves but rely on being able to hit FA Off and pitch/yaw with a flick of the HOTAS.
I can completely 110% appreciate people finding pedals better. But it's not me-and there seems to be a distinct lack of high-end HOTAS setups that have twisty yaw. Seems to be low-mid range ones only.
I think that's because most real life sticks don't have it. Plus if you're really going to spend, you'll probably want something as authentic as possible.
Yeah. I get it. Just wouldn't have begrudged even one brand breaking the rules a bit.
I have an x52 currently, but I want something with a really nice build quality and a precise stick for fixed weapons. Dropping £300 or whatever it is for the warthog when I already have an x52 is bad enough before telling myself I have to drop another £100 on pedals, only to have to relearn how I do some of my manoeuvres to accommodate.
Ironic, really, that it's my x52 I want to get rid of, that comes as twisty yaw but with a lock to remove said twist for people using pedals. Initiative exists in all the wrong places
I love the x52, and wouldn't have started with anything else...but been having issues with the stick. Never really like fixed weapons and I'm starting to realise that it's quite probably my stick...small deadzone, so when I have moved my stick enough to register movement it's going a bit quicker than I'd like. Small adjustments are a real pain, when I kinda want to be able to just keep stick centered and nudge it in small increments.
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That is because twisty sticks are inherently imprecise and crappy. Really take the time to get used to the pedals, in the end you will be SOOOO much better. Plus you can easily play any flight simulator after that. I used to be like you, but then I got a thrustmaster hotas cougar which didn't have twisty stick, so I had to learn to fly with it. After a few weeks of sucking terribly, I started to improve immensly. Now I am hopeless without it. There is no better feeling than slipping out of the mail slot without touching your joy stick and controlling your ship with just the rudder while you sip a drink with your now free hand.
Hm. You make an excellent point that yaw probably introduces the inaccuracy.
Okay, I think I am convinced. I admit that £400 will probably pale in comparison to how much it costs to fix my floor when I try going FA Off and giving my yaw a quick flick in the same way I do my stick, and end up violently putting my foot through the boards, but...yolo?
Thanks bud. I'll see if this month's budget is starving me yet or whether the new hotas will be what puts me in that position
Food is definitely more important than pedals or a joystick or a computer for that matter. For the longest time I used the gas/brake on my old steering wheel as rudder pedals. Once I got into a financially better position I splurged on the pedals when I bought the warthog (the cougar make my arm ache it was so stiff). I also have hat on my throttle mapped to up/down/left/right thrusters, so that combined with the rudders is what allows me to control the ship without touching the joystick. Really only thing I am touching the stick for is my pinky switch reverses the throttle on the joystick. This is really helpful in CQC to quickly reverse.
Thankyou for your kind concern...was exaggerating a little, but I am notoriously bad for spending my "spare" money on things like this
Anyone know if the stick on the warthog has adjustable tension like the higher end saiteks?
Don't think so, but the stick is really smooth and the tension is perfect for me. Unlike the cougar which is insanely tough.Thankyou for your kind concern...was exaggerating a little, but I am notoriously bad for spending my "spare" money on things like this
Anyone know if the stick on the warthog has adjustable tension like the higher end saiteks?
You can take out the large spring for lighter movement of the stick, but it requires disassembly of the stick. A quick test if you like it or not is not posfible. However, it is not as stiff as the Cougar and i find it quite comfortable. The stick is strong enough to counter your arms weight, when holding a specific position, but moves at the slightest applied force. The Warthog in its default spring setting re-centers so good, that you dont need a dead zone, even with FAoff. And as it moves out of the center without extra force (it does not jump even a bit) you can apply very exact input in FAoff. You can also edit the input/output curves for even more fine control. The yaw axis was left out for precision reasons. I can stay on target with fixed weapons in FAoff and on with ease, but i need my (analog) pedals. Without them, it would be a pain.
Actually just want to make sure it's tough enough. Smooth is good, but I don't want to give it a light tug and my nose launches straight up.
But...you can edit the I/O curves? Yup, that's me sold.
Got the X52 with combat rudders, removed throttle indent, used 4 cable ties to soften the spring of the stick.
Still going strong, using it for a variety of sims, the programming software is simple stupid to use and has good programming potential (using the throttle thumb rotary as weapon selector in the MiG-21 in DCS:W).
Haven't tried the Warthog, but I'm sure it's worth the money.
I'd probably go for the X56 and the additional analog controls on it.
Still going strong, using it for a variety of sims, the programming software is simple stupid to use and has good programming potential (using the throttle thumb rotary as weapon selector in the MiG-21 in DCS:W).
Haven't tried the Warthog, but I'm sure it's worth the money.
I'd probably go for the X56 and the additional analog controls on it.
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