General / Off-Topic Hungary Calls EU Referendum on EU's Mandatory Migrant Quotas

[Sunleader]

The biggest joke is this.
With the new Estimates Hungarys share of Refugees has been reduced alot and if the current situation of people coming to hungary continues. Hungary might actually end up having more refugees relocatet OUT OF hungary than they have to take in lol.....

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I think it's worth to mention whole E europe is opposing the current way how the migration is handled, and even in W Europe the majority of the people is not too happy about it.

Source ?
No offense but i think the Vote for Quotas was 20 to 7

And just so you know alot of the polls saying people in the EU are unhappy with how the refugee crisis is handled.
Are not unhappy about them being spread out over Europe but are Left Wing People (Social Democrats) who want the EU to not only relocate small Numbers but Share ALL of the Refugees so the small Southern EU Border Countries are less burdened.

 

[Patrick_68000]

It's not about generosity, but about the problems what they bring with them, and the tensions what they create.

On this level, 0% of the French are for the migrants

 

[Minonian]

That part is true, but what you forgot, is the problems and tensions what the whole migration crisis is creating all across the EU. Brussel and the W European governments might be welcome them, but the people? Not so much. And because of this The current leading party in Austria is already gone down, And in turn the same is going to happen with Germany, and Merkel.

If you say, this is a popularist step from the part of Hungarian government i can agree on that, but the sad truth is, if we let then in, than the current government are going down and worst will follow like the Jobbik, whom is a Putin goon racist band.

 

[Surfinjo]

Just a thought, sorta brain-storm.

How about we pull all European troops out of the ME?

Apologise.

Offer compensation and to rebuild. (Whatever it costs it has to be less than what it's costing us to take in all these refugees)

Send those responsible to the ME, in chains, for trial. We can start with the entire Blair Labour Cabinet.

And while we're at it, we could do the same in Africa.

As I said, brainstorming. We are getting so bothered over the consequences of European action. How about we do something about it and make sure it doesn't happen again?

 

[Minonian]

Sound good, but what do you think? The ISIS going to stop blow things up, if we do this?

 

[Sunleader]

That part is true, but what you forgot, is the problems and tensions what the whole migration crisis is creating all across the EU. Brussel and the W European governments might be welcome them, but the people? Not so much. And because of this The current leading party in Austria is already gone down, And in turn the same is going to happen with Germany, and Merkel.

If you say, this is a popularist step from the part of Hungarian government i can agree on that, but the sad truth is, if we let then in, than the current government are going down and worst will follow like the Jobbik, whom is a Putin goon racist band.

Well question is what you want to do about it.
The EU is making agreements like crazy already so the Countries were the Refugees come from take them back.

But unless you suggest we shoot and drown them on the Border I dont see how you could stop them from coming over.

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Sound good, but what do you think? The ISIS going to stop blow things up, if we do this?

Needless to say that US and Turkey wont stop doing      either...
Not even talking about Russia......

 

[Flash_Baggins]

Victor Orban is a bit of a dictator in all but name- it would be nigh on impossible to get him out of office

Hungary came under a lot of fire from everyone else for closing its borders last year, with other countries glossing over the fact that they have been moving migrantas through for about a year and more beforehand, then everyone else closed their borders and acted all innocent, I should imagine the same will happen with this.

But Hungary isnt like many of the other countries in the EU- it is relatively poor in comparison to Germany or France and many other EU countries, as well as the fact the government are very corrupt. Its fairly hard to set up infrastructure to support migrants when the government cant afford books for schoolchildren but can afford new limos for members of parliament

 

[Patrick_68000]

They dont. It was decided by Majority of the EU Members. Which also represent a vast Majority of the EUs Population. If you dislike the Contract you have Signed leave it. Just wanting the Benefits and then denying to help with the problems aint happening.

It's wrong. The european countries have been placed in front of the fact accomplished by the Germany of Merkel. This is Merkel who unilaterally decided to open the doors of Europe for the migrants.
I remember the french first minister declaring "Merkel has unilaterally decided to let of millions of migrants in Europe, without consulting her European partners. She has a problem of quantity now"

 

[Patrick_68000]

I think it's worth to mention whole E europe is opposing the current way how the migration is handled, and even in W Europe the majority of the people is not too happy about it.

Yes it is obvious. Who can believe that millions of young europeans unemployed (and their parents) and millions of precarious European are happy to see of millions of young migrants ? Who can believe it ?

 

[Sunleader]

It's wrong. The european countries have been placed in front of the fact accomplished by the Germany of Merkel. This is Merkel who unilaterally decided to open the doors of Europe for the migrants.
I remember the french first minister declaring "Merkel has unilaterally decided to let of millions of migrants in Europe, without consulting her European partners. She is a problem of quantity now"

Its funny how you seriously believe that rubbish of Germany Ruling EU.

Mate no offense.
But do you seriously believe that we got Millions of Refugees just because Merkel said that she will not drop the Human Rights Charter and thus Germany would Provide Refugee for people of WarZones?


I mean sorry but not only is that *invitation* from Merkel something that was done in an interview AFTER we already had huge Refugee Waves.
But also did all Experts back then say Refugees will come in masses BEFORE Merkel made this Statement.


If this statement had any effect at all it was that Refugees went for Germany instead of going for random EU Countries.

 

[Surfinjo]

Sound good, but what do you think? The ISIS going to stop blow things up, if we do this?

No, but do you think it's any co-incidence that ISIS has become so powerful just after the governments of Iraq, Syria, Egypt and Lybia lost theirs?

 

[Sunleader]

Yes it is obvious. Who can believe that millions of young europeans unemployed (and their parents) and millions of precarious European are happy to see of millions of young migrants ? Who can believe it ?

Unfortunately the Unemployed are not the majority lol......

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No, but do you think it's any co-incidence that ISIS has become so powerful just after the governments of Iraq, Syria, Egypt and Lybia lost theirs?

Problem down there is that we send like 10.000 Soldiers to an Area were for an halfwat acceptable level of protection you would need aroung 600.000 Soldiers.

You cant expect to keep an Country that had over 200.000 Active Soldiers. Under Control with 10k Soldiers a few months after a War lol.....

 

[Surfinjo]

Unfortunately the Unemployed are not the majority lol......

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Problem down there is that we send like 10.000 Soldiers to an Area were for an halfwat acceptable level of protection you would need aroung 600.000 Soldiers.

You cant expect to keep an Country that had over 200.000 Active Soldiers. Under Control with 10k Soldiers a few months after a War lol.....

Or we could just pull out. Apologise. Send Blair and co in chains.

 

[Patrick_68000]

Its funny how you seriously believe that rubbish of Germany Ruling EU.

Mate no offense.
But do you seriously believe that we got Millions of Refugees just because Merkel said that she will not drop the Human Rights Charter and thus Germany would Provide Refugee for people of WarZones?


I mean sorry but not only is that *invitation* from Merkel something that was done in an interview AFTER we already had huge Refugee Waves.
But also did all Experts back then say Refugees will come in masses BEFORE Merkel made this Statement.


If this statement had any effect at all it was that Refugees went for Germany instead of going for random EU Countries.

Merkel has created a gigantic flow of migrants towards the Europe. Several european leaders criticized Merkel, and Merkel has been criticized in her political party. And we can watch the results of the last regional elections in the Germany. And now, we have the quotas in all of the Europe. All this is the reality. It is incontestable that Merkel and Juncker are a catastrophe for the Europe

 

[Patrick_68000]

Unfortunately the Unemployed are not the majority lol......

Well they are 22 million of unemployed in Europe in 2015. And we can add tens of millions of precarious workers. You think that it is not enough ? We still need to add millions of migrants ?

 

[Sunleader]

Or we could just pull out. Apologise. Send Blair and co in chains.

Dont think that will.
The People in Power down there Believe its their Mission to Convert the World to Islam under Sharia Law.
If we pull out they.ll conquer everything down there and then come up here.

I ahree that the Root of this was Western Interference especially the War of that Moronic Berry Bush.
But the Problem wont go away from alone or from knowing whose fault it is.

Merkel has created a gigantic flow of migrants towards the Europe. Several european leaders criticized Merkel, and Merkel has been criticized in her political party. And we can watch the results of the last regional elections in the Germany. And now, we have the quotas in all of the Europe. All this is the reality. It is incontestable that Merkel and Juncker are a catastrophe for the Europe

Woah Mate.
Evidence then Pls.

Because what you just said is about as Undisputable as the Claim that the USA is Governed by Aliens to prepare for World Invasion.

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Well they are 22 million of unemployed in Europe in 2015. And we can add tens of millions of precarious workers. You think that it is not enough ? We still need to add millions of migrants ?

So once more.
What do you want to do about the Refugees?

Ah Forget that I asked. I think we already discussed this with the Result that you want to Drown them......

 

[Minonian]

Well question is what you want to do about it.
The EU is making agreements like crazy already so the Countries were the Refugees come from take them back.

But unless you suggest we shoot and drown them on the Border I don't see how you could stop them from coming over.

And that's the problem. But to not shoot down does not means we must invite them, or not stop them in our borders. Which is also a duty and part of the Schengen treaty.

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Well they are 22 million of unemployed in Europe in 2015. And we can add tens of millions of precarious workers. You think that it is not enough ? We still need to add millions of migrants ?

The thing is some think the current Eu government are want to use up the immigrants, to replenish the aging EU population, and bring in labor force.

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No, but do you think it's any co-incidence that ISIS has become so powerful just after the governments of Iraq, Syria, Egypt and Lybia lost theirs?

No its a consequence of their power loss. you know? One top dog is going down and the other is emerges. Where is vacuum nature wants to fill in.

 

[Sunleader]

And that's the problem. But to not shoot down does not means we must invite them, or not stop them in our borders. Which is also a duty and part of the Schengen treaty.

Nobody invited them.
And well guess what the Countries down there are doing.
Unfortunately its not that easy to keep millions of People away from a hundreds of km long line.

And worse we cant keep em outside because that would mean we drown them in the Mediterean Sea.



Maybe you forgot but the Border on which alot of these come is an Ocean.
If you suggest we keep em out on the Water i would suggest to at least show some mercy and shoot them.

 

[Patrick_68000]

So once more.What do you want to do about the Refugees?Ah Forget that I asked. I think we already discussed this with the Result that you want to Drown them......

Drown ? You are crazy. A good solution would be the Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Kuwait, the Maghreb countries, Iran, US, Russia are taking their parts. But here strangely, we hear nothing

 

[Sunleader]

Drown ? You are crazy. A good solution would be the Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Kuwait, the Maghreb countries, Iran, US, Russia are taking their parts. But here strangely, we hear nothing

Sorry to Burst that Bubble but.

http://europe.newsweek.com/gulf-states-are-taking-syrian-refugees-401131?rm=eu

Actually the States down there have taken Refugees on a lvl rivaling Germany and France.
Russia is by the way also taking alot of Refugees.

Well US not so much... but my opinion of them is fairly low anyways so feel free to rant on them lol.