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[Minonian]

and in fact, you are just as likely to be a criminal yourself if you live in the U.S. since there are so many laws on the books) This part is true USA have too many stupid law.

In the other hand? It's not makes you innocent. Because? Some of the laws are right, and the others are wrong.

The anarchist advocacy rests on the basis that because all humans are necessarily NOT good,

That's not makes you necessarily a bad person, either. Because the opposite is also true! All humans are necessarily not bad. And although we can't be angel good, but at least we can try to be a decent person. Have you ever given a tough to this?

it is not wise to trust any human or group of humans with the power of being a central authority.[/B]

As an introvert person whom betrayed in multiple occasions by my own friends? HELL! they are even stolen our car. Nice gang huh? I don't trust in ANYONE! Not without assurance. And the best assurance? To know him.

Your mistake? To think people in power are corrupt. Its the other way around! power in any form, attracting corruptible people. One of the many jobs of government is to filter out this kind of people from the system even within his own ranks. How this works out? Well... I think silence tells everything.

 

[Monk]

I'd like to think that they might have had an idea that the technology would improve and become more efficient, just like any other technology we've seen throughout history. Otherwise, I honestly don't know, so I can't answer that.

That's okay...merely seeking opinion.

IMO, they couldn't have even begun to think of powerful weapons you could hold in one hand. At the same time, there is much forethought in the constitution, especially with regards of alterations to fit a changing country. I would guess that they would see that the escalation of firepower of the federal government should be met by escalation of firepower among the people. Obviously, that isn't possible since WMDs are well out of attainability for the common person.

 

[Cydramech]

In the other hand? It's not makes you innocent. Because? Some of the laws are right, and the others are wrong. That's not makes you necessarily a bad person, either. Because the opposite is also true! All humans are necessarily not bad. And although we can't be angel good, but at least we can try to be a decent person. Have you ever given a tough to this?

What is a "decent person"? Nothing more than an arbitrary term people use to make themselves feel good about. Who are you to claim you're a decent person, or that you try to be 'decent'? Nothing, that's what. I don't have a problem with humanity being evil. I don't have a problem with humanity being good. It does not affect me any way whatsoever.

As an introvert person whom betrayed in multiple occasions by my own friends? HELL! they are even stolen our car. Nice gang huh? I don't trust in ANYONE! Not without assurance. And the best assurance? To know him.

I know you trust no one. That's why you want government. You believe it'll fix things for you, and for whatever reason you believe men in a government can and will somehow be any different than from without.

Your mistake? To think people in power are corrupt. Its the other way around! power in any form, attracting corruptible people. One of the many jobs of government is to filter out this kind of people from the system even within his own ranks. How this works out? Well... I think silence tells everything.

Edward Abbey -


Anarchism is founded on the observation that since few men are wise enough to rule themselves, even fewer are wise enough to rule others.


Anarchism is not a romantic fable but the hardheaded realization, based on five thousand years of experience, that we cannot entrust the management of our lives to kings, priests, politicians, generals, and county commissioners.


John Acton –


The danger is not that a particular class is unfit to govern. Every class is unfit to govern. The law of liberty tends to abolish the reign of race over race, of faith over faith, of class over class.


Frederic Bastiat –


When under the pretext of fraternity, the legal code imposes mutual sacrifices on the citizens, human nature is not thereby abrogated. Everyone will then direct his efforts toward contributing little to, and taking much from, the common fund of sacrifices. Now, is it the most unfortunate who gains from this struggle? Certainly not, but rather the most influential and calculating.


If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind?


David Brin –


It is said that power corrupts, but actually it’s more true that power attracts the corruptible. The sane are usually attracted by other things than power.


Thomas Brooks (Puritan) –


There is the seed of all sins — of the vilest and worst of sins — in the best of men.


Edmund Burke –


People crushed by law, have no hopes but from power. If laws are their enemies, they will be enemies to laws; and those who have much to hope and nothing to lose, will always be dangerous.


Voltairine de Cleyre –


A man won’t steal, ordinarily, unless that which he steals is something he cannot as easily get without stealing; in liberty the cost of stealing would involve greater difficulties than producing, and consequently he would not be apt to steal. But suppose a man steals. Today you go to a representative of that power which has robbed you of the earth, of the right of free contract of the means of exchange, taxes you for everything you eat or wear (the meanest form of robbery), — you go to him for redress from a thief!


Robert LeFevre –


An anarchist is anyone who believes in less government than you do.


If men are good, you don’t need government; if men are evil or ambivalent, you don’t dare have one.


Malcolm Little (Malcolm X) -


When you take your case to Washington, D.C., you’re taking it to the criminal who’s responsible; it’s like running from the wolf to the fox. They’re all in cahoots together. They all work political chicanery and make you look like a chump before the eyes of the world. Here you are walking around in America, getting ready to be drafted and sent abroad, like a tin soldier, and when you get over there, people ask you what are you fighting for, and you have to stick your tongue in your cheek. No, take Uncle Sam to court, take him before the world.


John Locke -


All men are liable to error; and most men are, in many points, by passion or interest, under temptation to it.


H.L. Mencken -


Off goes the head of the king, and tyranny gives way to freedom. The change seems abysmal. Then, bit by bit, the face of freedom hardens, and by and by it is the old face of tyranny. Then another cycle, and another. But under the play of all these opposites there is something fundamental and permanent — the basic delusion that men may be governed and yet be free.


Gustave de Molinari –


Anarchy is no guarantee that some people won’t kill, injure, kidnap, defraud, or steal from others. Government is a guarantee that some will.


Thomas Paine –


Some writers have so confounded society with government, as to leave little or no distinction between them; whereas they are not only different, but have different origins. Society is produced by our wants, and government by our wickedness; the former promotes our happiness POSITIVELY by uniting our affections, the latter NEGATIVELY by restraining our vices. The one encourages intercourse, the other creates distinctions. The first a patron, the last a punisher.


Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one; for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer.


Plato –


Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws.


Leo Tolstoy –


Error is the force that welds men together; truth is communicated to men only by deeds of truth.


Daniel Webster -


Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.

 

[Asp Explorer]

Obviously, that isn't possible since WMDs are well out of attainability for the common person.

Sadly, that isn't really the case. Your average person may not be able to fire ICBM's, but there are endless ways of making utterly nasty things with stuff you can find in a garden shed.

Garden sheds should be banned.

 

[Brimstone]

What is a "decent person"? Nothing more than an arbitrary term people use to make themselves feel good about. Who are you to claim you're a decent person, or that you try to be 'decent'? Nothing, that's what. I don't have a problem with humanity being evil. I don't have a problem with humanity being good. It does not affect me any way whatsoever.



I know you trust no one. That's why you want government. You believe it'll fix things for you, and for whatever reason you believe men in a government can and will somehow be any different than from without.



Edward Abbey -


Anarchism is founded on the observation that since few men are wise enough to rule themselves, even fewer are wise enough to rule others.


Anarchism is not a romantic fable but the hardheaded realization, based on five thousand years of experience, that we cannot entrust the management of our lives to kings, priests, politicians, generals, and county commissioners.


John Acton –


The danger is not that a particular class is unfit to govern. Every class is unfit to govern. The law of liberty tends to abolish the reign of race over race, of faith over faith, of class over class.


Frederic Bastiat –


When under the pretext of fraternity, the legal code imposes mutual sacrifices on the citizens, human nature is not thereby abrogated. Everyone will then direct his efforts toward contributing little to, and taking much from, the common fund of sacrifices. Now, is it the most unfortunate who gains from this struggle? Certainly not, but rather the most influential and calculating.


If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind?


David Brin –


It is said that power corrupts, but actually it’s more true that power attracts the corruptible. The sane are usually attracted by other things than power.


Thomas Brooks (Puritan) –


There is the seed of all sins — of the vilest and worst of sins — in the best of men.


Edmund Burke –


People crushed by law, have no hopes but from power. If laws are their enemies, they will be enemies to laws; and those who have much to hope and nothing to lose, will always be dangerous.


Voltairine de Cleyre –


A man won’t steal, ordinarily, unless that which he steals is something he cannot as easily get without stealing; in liberty the cost of stealing would involve greater difficulties than producing, and consequently he would not be apt to steal. But suppose a man steals. Today you go to a representative of that power which has robbed you of the earth, of the right of free contract of the means of exchange, taxes you for everything you eat or wear (the meanest form of robbery), — you go to him for redress from a thief!


Robert LeFevre –


An anarchist is anyone who believes in less government than you do.


If men are good, you don’t need government; if men are evil or ambivalent, you don’t dare have one.


Malcolm Little (Malcolm X) -


When you take your case to Washington, D.C., you’re taking it to the criminal who’s responsible; it’s like running from the wolf to the fox. They’re all in cahoots together. They all work political chicanery and make you look like a chump before the eyes of the world. Here you are walking around in America, getting ready to be drafted and sent abroad, like a tin soldier, and when you get over there, people ask you what are you fighting for, and you have to stick your tongue in your cheek. No, take Uncle Sam to court, take him before the world.


John Locke -


All men are liable to error; and most men are, in many points, by passion or interest, under temptation to it.


H.L. Mencken -


Off goes the head of the king, and tyranny gives way to freedom. The change seems abysmal. Then, bit by bit, the face of freedom hardens, and by and by it is the old face of tyranny. Then another cycle, and another. But under the play of all these opposites there is something fundamental and permanent — the basic delusion that men may be governed and yet be free.


Gustave de Molinari –


Anarchy is no guarantee that some people won’t kill, injure, kidnap, defraud, or steal from others. Government is a guarantee that some will.


Thomas Paine –


Some writers have so confounded society with government, as to leave little or no distinction between them; whereas they are not only different, but have different origins. Society is produced by our wants, and government by our wickedness; the former promotes our happiness POSITIVELY by uniting our affections, the latter NEGATIVELY by restraining our vices. The one encourages intercourse, the other creates distinctions. The first a patron, the last a punisher.


Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one; for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer.


Plato –


Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws.


Leo Tolstoy –


Error is the force that welds men together; truth is communicated to men only by deeds of truth.


Daniel Webster -


Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.

Someone please give this person some Rep for me.

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That's okay...merely seeking opinion.

IMO, they couldn't have even begun to think of powerful weapons you could hold in one hand. At the same time, there is much forethought in the constitution, especially with regards of alterations to fit a changing country. I would guess that they would see that the escalation of firepower of the federal government should be met by escalation of firepower among the people. Obviously, that isn't possible since WMDs are well out of attainability for the common person.

Yeah the whole point, I think, of making sure that the citizens have access to weapons was to keep the federal government in check, because the writers of the Constitution knew that the inevitable would happen some day.

As for how powerful weapons are today, I mean.. Back then, the musket and rifle were the deadliest weapons, along with cannons. It's just a matter of perspective I think, that we can look back at those weapons which are primitive to our current standards, they were state of the art for those guys. Those were their 'WMD's.

 

[Monk]

Sadly, that isn't really the case. Your average person may not be able to fire ICBM's, but there are endless ways of making utterly nasty things with stuff you can find in a garden shed.

Garden sheds should be banned.

Very true...one radical with a lot of fertilizer on a truck in Oklahoma

 

[Minonian]

(A Lot of skipped)

There are 3 social misloshopy, i consider it as a plague in humanity "social soul" The gold goes to Communism. because it was good enough to at least came into power and held it.

The silver goes to social nationalism. it was still good enough to came it power but it's never going to succeed to holding it.

The bronze Goes to Anarchism. Because it's too up even to came into power. Reasons;

1, The world is not just about you. To think you can go against the world all alone and win every battle? Its just idiotism! No one is that good! No one!!! There are territories where you are good, and others where you are bad. Not alone... And this is why we need each others. Because you cant be a pro in every field, and there are tasks what are just too huge undertaking for a single person without a team and others whom he can trust. This is why we need society.
1/a Sicknesses old age, catastrophes, crime, support infrastructure, without it we sink back to the stone age. (See Russo idiot ism)

2, Humans in nature are not solitary creature. we just can't take it, to be all alone unless something really up in our soul. Such as Asperger syndrome, or regular sociopath. But this is not our true nature. humans like this are considered dysfunctional and not without a good reason. The way i see Anarchy? Is the philosophy of sociopaths. Sick mans created themselves a nicely sounding reason with the title; why to be good a madman? Whenever you boys like it or not? To be a social creature is in our genes, and you can't change that. And even the ones whom somewhat different in this question, so they don't really need other humans as others? Are suffering the consequences of loneliness.

3, and final point. To think you can destroy the human society, and mans became free to live their life, as they pleases? Even more stupider! Because? By our nature the human society psychology are somewhere in between the rigid structure of wolf packs, and semi democratic buildup of monkey hordes.

What means? If you destroy the social framework and state? A new one will emerges recrystallizing himself from the primordial soup of chaos. But that one is will be more crude blunt and ineffective unlike the ones whom had their times to refine themselves like the present nations and ideologies. For example take a look into Iraq and Syria. This is how it's always ends.

4, The solitary nature of the Anarchist philosophy also means there will be never an anarchist power group what can be strong enough to challenge the current world structure. You boys are just up from the beginning. They can create a lot of chaos, and sow discord? that's true. But to be honest, the world even need this. Without predators, the agents of chaos? Our fate is to repeat the failure of Dodos. The threat of wolf are necessary to keep the flock / pack / herd together.

This is how it's always ends this is how the world goes by, and no one can change it.

Edit; Oh? I forgot about the platinum cup which goes to the religious stupidity. Let's face it! Thy are the eternal champions.

Edit2; Oh and you know what an Autist thinks about your social utopia? Its a        g nightmare and they want to be rid of it! You know why? Because the so called lone wolf dream of yours are only for psychological cripples, and if you are not? Than it's makes you into one...

 

[xondk]

To the original concept of thread, yes, it is of course the people, however when access to guns is as easy as it is, people that shouldn't have guns get guns. People can most definitely use and have guns responsibly, but I think the whole reason many, myself included are surprised with the US, is the near feverish love for guns America as a whole seems to displays.

 

[Cydramech]

[Mindless Dribble]

In other words, you have absolutely no clue what anarchism is, much less a clue what I've been saying or advocating.

(By the way, being an Autist does not grant you any special privilege before me.)



Anarchy is for Lovers (Revised and Expanded)
Privatization, Viking Style: Model or Misfortune?
The Decline & Fall of Private Law in Iceland
Anarchy: Never Before Tried? Part 1 Part 2 Part 3 Part 4 Part 5 Part 6
Introducing Tarahumara
Stateless Societies: Ancient Ireland
Government Can Be Prevented! Repelling States: Evidence from Upland Southeast Asia
A City With Almost No Government
Voluntaryism: Law Without Government



Also, for humor (albeit actually factual on several points): Ten Reasons Why a Mafia is Better than the State

 

[Adept]

Gun ownership is a God-given right as an American, whether you are part of a militia or not, basically.

God-given? I assume this is in the Christian meaning of the word. I don't remember anything in the Bible about weapon rights. The Mormon prophet was active in the age of firearms but I don't think even they have any scriptures about "God-given" rights to gun ownership.

What on Earth do you mean? How is it "God given"?

 

[Brimstone]

God-given? I assume this is in the Christian meaning of the word. I don't remember anything in the Bible about weapon rights. The Mormon prophet was active in the age of firearms but I don't think even they have any scriptures about "God-given" rights to gun ownership.

What on Earth do you mean? How is it "God given"?

It's just an idiom, relax.

 

[Stigbob]

A Reading from the Book of Armaments, Chapter 4, Verses 16 to 20:

Then did he raise on high the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch, saying, "Bless this, O Lord, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy." And the people did rejoice and did feast upon the lambs and toads and tree-sloths and fruit-bats and orangutans and breakfast cereals ... Now did the Lord say, "First thou pullest the Holy Pin. Then thou must count to three. Three shall be the number of the counting and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither shalt thou count two, excepting that thou then proceedeth to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the number of the counting, be reached, then lobbest thou the Holy Hand Grenade in the direction of thine foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it."

 

[Adept]

It's just an idiom, relax.

It is weird. What did you mean then?

 

[Brimstone]

It is weird. What did you mean then?

God-given, as in, it's a right that you are born with, if you're an American.

 

[Cydramech]

If there be a creator deity and he does grant life, then he must also grant the right to live by any means necessary and the obligation to do so therein. That I am who I am, I own myself. As I own myself, I've placed a moral obligation on my physical existence to protect and keep my body free of all outside harm. If there be no creator deity, then I still own myself on the basis I am still myself. Then if morality is relative, it's all the more a requirement that those who seek to tell others what they may or may not do have an even higher burden since they cannot ever be too careful in ensuring they're not tackling a trifling inconvenience.

 

[Adept]

God-given, as in, it's a right that you are born with, if you're an American.

Used to be you were allowed to own machine guns too, but not anymore. It doesn't have to be forever.

 

[Brimstone]

Used to be you were allowed to own machine guns too, but not anymore. It doesn't have to be forever.

You still can, depending on the State you live in.

 

[Cydramech]

You still can, depending on the State you live in.

In fact, machine guns are the reason why those that care about private gun ownership would support the Gun Owners of America instead of the National Rifle Association. The NRA helped to draft the Assault Weapon Ban of 1994, whereas the GOA is right now trying to fight the federal ban on owning machine guns.

Gun Owners of America Files Brief Challenging Federal Machine Gun Ban

 

[Asp Explorer]

But why would you need a machine gun?

What would you use it for? And I don't mean burst or fully automatic assault rifles - GPMG's.

Why can't I buy a ZSU-23-4 and park it next to my Nissan, and point the turret at the mail van just in case he/she goes on a junk-mail delivery rampage?

 

[Minonian]

One more thing.

Anarchy is not "evil" just amoral. Not the same thing but just as bad. IF not worst. You never know what they going to do. No wonder they don't trust anybody after all we all see the world trough our own eyes and view as our own reflections. Why i don't trust in any body? Because the butt holes, like them... Not the same thing, not at all. be "good" and decent is not required by their imaginary utopia, what's is above good and bad.
The only problem? It cannot exist. because, our current world civilization, and technological achievements, our level of knowledge, ects, ects are only maintainable with a big social economical, and political infrastructure.

Without it its crumbles to dust. Yet again? Take a look into Syria, or Afghanistan. This is what happened there.
And to put it nicely, i don't think the anonymous boys can exist if someone pulls out the plug of their computer, or just simply disconnect them from the internet... So much about this!

And why we need the concepts like good and bad and decency? Simple! without it the society cannot exist.