Viajero
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Good question! See my answer above to Maynard
:http://forums.frontier.co.uk/showpost.php?p=424974&postcount=513
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Good question! See my answer above to Maynard
:http://forums.frontier.co.uk/showpost.php?p=424974&postcount=513
Why? Do you mean that me and 3 friends of mine will not be able to cooperate in that sector (All-Players group, 2 miners and 2 fighters, the latters hiding from the scanners). That in that sector there will never be a pair human pirates who tries to prey the miners?
Viajero
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Yeah that is great if the human pirates actually find you. They will miss the other 600 miners hidden in private groups. I wish them luck in discovering you.
I bet your miners will wonder where all the ore they discovered is mysteriously disappearing to right in front of their eyes.
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I understand now - the issue is that this game isn't about you ... you're a small pawn in the galaxy that is ED - you're not the hero around which the story revolves. In time you maybe remembered by your actions but right now ... don't hold your breath.
I quote this guy, who I +1 rep, who sums up EXACTLY what FD is.
Decide if the game still suits you or not
I quote this guy, who I +1 rep, who sums up EXACTLY what FD is.
Decide if the game still suits you or not
I can play that game too.
Whilst the 600 miners are busy hiding in their own private universe bothering no one there's a raging war going on between the Alliance and Federation where 1000s of players are actively battling each other, and NPCs, in a fight for a small moon on the edge of both territories. (Obviously in instances of 32 being as that's the limit)
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And on that note I am off - circular arguments and extreme examples wears one down.
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I won't step into this again...must resist.
ok, i can't.
short opinion:
- in a perfect world i'd be all into only three modes: ironman, group all and solo offline.
- i respect the wish for "everyone in ALL group"
- i respect the wish for "let me decide if i want to be a victim or not" view of things.
sadly, the world isn't perfect and there have to be rules to protect the "weak" (although this view is more and more eroding).
in a perfect world, anarchy would be a viable option.
there will be people in this game that will hardly be able to beat the npc.
maybe they are partially disabled or just bad at twitch gaming...doesn't matter.
I, for my part, would like to give them the opportunity to enjoy the game as much as i do. With leaving the ALL group they are limited enough in gaming experience...don't force them to solo offline please.
ok, i can't.
short opinion:
- in a perfect world i'd be all into only three modes: ironman, group all and solo offline.
- i respect the wish for "everyone in ALL group"
- i respect the wish for "let me decide if i want to be a victim or not" view of things.
sadly, the world isn't perfect and there have to be rules to protect the "weak" (although this view is more and more eroding).
in a perfect world, anarchy would be a viable option.
there will be people in this game that will hardly be able to beat the npc.
maybe they are partially disabled or just bad at twitch gaming...doesn't matter.
I, for my part, would like to give them the opportunity to enjoy the game as much as i do. With leaving the ALL group they are limited enough in gaming experience...don't force them to solo offline please.
I can play that game too.
Whilst the 600 miners are busy hiding in their own private universe bothering no one there's a raging war going on between the Alliance and Federation where 1000s of players are actively battling each other, and NPCs, in a fight for a small moon on the edge of both territories. (Obviously in instances of 32 being as that's the limit)
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And on that note I am off - circular arguments and extreme examples wears one down.
My argument is a straight line.
1 server where you can use all the tools to hide and isolate yourself from any type of involvement with players yet still affect their world.
1 server where everyone is present and accountable for their actions and have to actually be there to affect my world.
Pretty basic and simple really.
Exactly.
It has probably been stated a dozen times in this thread already, but whatever:
Being a pirate is not about PvP. In fact, no particular activity in ED is designed around or dedicated to PvP, all game mechanics apply to NPCs and players equally.
What, you mean like -
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If it were entirely up to me I would only have an iron man all players group
Robert Maynard
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Mike's second sentence in the post quoted above makes it all quite clear....
.... as does Sandro's post about psychotic behaviour.
"play the game how you want to"....!
.... as does Sandro's post about psychotic behaviour.
"play the game how you want to"....!
so, if they are in solo online, you will not shoot them "because you can't"
But i see your points, almost every one, from all of you.
And i think the minority will act as psychos on crack.
I'm not much of the PvP type myself, but i'll embrace it like i did in the beginning of EVE Online. It just feels right for me...even i don't want to get into it if i can avoid it.
I personally like the concept of leaving "ALL". What i don't like about it is, it might be used strategically. Changing groups should be something to think about...
Maybe only a "once in a week" possibility. This wouldn't go well with the "ignore player" function, i'm afraid
Indeed, just saying... except I don't get to play it how I want to so it's not entirely true.
I think there should be the ability to become a police officer. The system then can track crimes and if you take in the role of a police officer you can pursue those crimes to punish players.
Players that work to be a police officer would get special gear and fittings.
The downside, is by choosing to get this unique gear and everything you are painting yourself as a target.
And if you go rogue, well you just moved up on the most wanted list. Offering players police or not, a bounty to bring justice.
Bounty ties into the justice system.
Your actions should put a price in your head.
There shouldn't exactly be such a line as good and evil.
But certain factions might benifit from a players death.
For instance if player X is a pirate, trading factions might put a considerable bounty to rid that threat.
If player Z is a trader, he might have goods a pirate wants, but a rival trade faction might wish this person stopped because of competition.
A bounty system would be very interesting.
And some sort of limited player tracking system would be great.
Imagine scanning a players ship and after identifying them as having a bounty you can fly to the nearest station to globally update that county's last known location.
Players that work to be a police officer would get special gear and fittings.
The downside, is by choosing to get this unique gear and everything you are painting yourself as a target.
And if you go rogue, well you just moved up on the most wanted list. Offering players police or not, a bounty to bring justice.
Bounty ties into the justice system.
Your actions should put a price in your head.
There shouldn't exactly be such a line as good and evil.
But certain factions might benifit from a players death.
For instance if player X is a pirate, trading factions might put a considerable bounty to rid that threat.
If player Z is a trader, he might have goods a pirate wants, but a rival trade faction might wish this person stopped because of competition.
A bounty system would be very interesting.
And some sort of limited player tracking system would be great.
Imagine scanning a players ship and after identifying them as having a bounty you can fly to the nearest station to globally update that county's last known location.
This is stupid, and will never ever happen. The freedom to go anywhere and explore is absolutely central, and there is no way that will be denied to those wanting to play in a private group or solo-online mode.
I recommend you stop trying yo demand that others have to submit to being there so you can shoot at them. Those who don't want to, are perfectly entitled to playing as they like. There will be plenty of people for you to butt heads with.
I'm trying to imagine these concepts applied to a flight combat sim or FPS. I can't.
"I'd like to fly my Spitfire into battle with my mates but I don't want to get shot down. Can we haz invisibility for our planes?"
"***? How about you go play My Little Pony instead?"
Is any of this stuff actually being implemented by the devs or is it all a debate/argument for/against it in potentia? I thought the idea was to have Environment A and people either went "yeah, want, buy!" or "No, don't want, not buying!" If this was a car it'd be a bus. With wings.
PvP is when you go after a human or a human comes after you. If you don't want the latter, use the game's mechanics to do your best to avoid that person. If you can't achieve that, quit playing and find something more suitable. Or play OFFLINE!
And no, I'm not into PvP particularly. I certainly will NOT be looking to enage in combat, I will do my best to avoid it. But have it nerfed? Hell no!
"I'd like to fly my Spitfire into battle with my mates but I don't want to get shot down. Can we haz invisibility for our planes?"
"***? How about you go play My Little Pony instead?"
Is any of this stuff actually being implemented by the devs or is it all a debate/argument for/against it in potentia? I thought the idea was to have Environment A and people either went "yeah, want, buy!" or "No, don't want, not buying!" If this was a car it'd be a bus. With wings.
PvP is when you go after a human or a human comes after you. If you don't want the latter, use the game's mechanics to do your best to avoid that person. If you can't achieve that, quit playing and find something more suitable. Or play OFFLINE!
And no, I'm not into PvP particularly. I certainly will NOT be looking to enage in combat, I will do my best to avoid it. But have it nerfed? Hell no!
*sigh* You people... you know what? Believe what you will, we will see what the game is like when it moves further down the line, and then we'll also see how many of you "PvP pros" will still be here, ok? I mean, one thing's for sure, ED doesn't need every kind of player to be successful...
Unlike most online combat flight sims ED does NOT have "You are entering a PvP Zone" printed all about. Remember, Elite never had any PvP
And for the "quit playing" part: why not quit and look for something else if you want a PvP game?
As i said before, im quite with you on your last statement...but i won't shut off players who prefer a different playstyle.
I this is the heart of the issue and a dominant feature in this thread. There's a large majority I think who feel that the game doesn't NEED pvp. And want to discourage it as much as possible.
Also as regards to a special protected area, I hope we see this in the core systems with the programmed and designed responses, via police, vipers etc.