ED: Everything available for "Real Cash?

[warbaby2]

not even rudimentary playable? at the moment it is just vaporware....

Well, there is the hangar module and some vids...

...but that's not the topic: Bottom line, no matter what FD will do in the micro transactions department, it will not make the game pay2win, because there will be systems in place that make sure one can only really advance with actual skill/time investment.

Besides, the backer levels are not more pay2win then everything SC has been doing... even less, actually.

Also... *tinfoil hat on* ...what's up with all the ED bashing threads as of late? SC fans creeping in here to hate on the competition now that it has become clear that their game will not come along as smoothly as they where made to believe it would, or what? *tinfoil hat off*

 

[Amos]

if elite went pay to win which is never going to happen I would just play solo, when the game if released there will be alot of sales, even more sales when the expansions come out, from what I have read that the game's netcode has peer to peer elements which I am fine with and will also keep the cost down, if MT were available then I would hope that only cosmetic items would be available as they do not affect the game in anyway apart from looking cool or stupid.

Roll on tomorrow yippee

 

[JughedJones]

No that is not accurate. Why would I ask those questions on a Discussion board?
You probably know around 0.00001% of where the devs see the game going so Im not sure why you feel I should ask you.
I am not going to base anything on what 10,000 wishful thinkers say.
I did poke around for my own information but to the people who would know. Not you (Im actually speechless that you feel people should come to the discussion boards for that type of info).

You're really speechless that I thought someone would ask a few questions before spending 150 bucks then demanding a refund?

If you would have been bothered to ask people whether or not this game was 'pay to win,' or if it would be subscription based, you could have saved yourself at least one of those steps.


For Pete's sake, in your OP you complain about not being able to get your 'questions answered.' Don't be so confounded that I would suggest you asking.

 

[hunvagy]

What puzzles me is this: You say you had your beta purchase refunded because you lacked information about ED (or more to the point, you think it will be pay to win), but at the same time you know Star Citizen is going to be awesome.

*sigh*

Please don't take this as me attacking you or anything, because I'm not but... really? I think you got a few things backwards there. Do yourself a favor and look at what's there, look at the youtube videos, look at what's in the Frontier store, and compare.

You'll notice a peculiar absence of expensive, hundred-dollar ship purchases here.

Where did you get that info about buying ingame credits with real money? I highly doubt that btw. for the simple reason that it would be an uncontrollable influence on the interstellar economy, something that ED actually has and that SC promises to do, maybe, sometime in the future.

I really doubt FD wants players to be able to dump prices of certain goods by pouring in real money.

Actually he wanted it refunded because his son bought it without consent:

http://forums.frontier.co.uk/showpost.php?p=403111&postcount=1

Guess that changed since then?

But first schooled everyone in a less then nice manner in the PvP Discussion that they should switch off the computer and go away if they can't man up and that it's just a game:

http://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?p=420424#post420424

And now gets a refund because someone somewhere tells it's p2w.

I know I'm going to get flak for posting this and probably will net a report or two but frak it, this just looks wrong.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

Ok some very good points there from people and I don't think we are all that different in that we want the game to remain as close to its roots as possible and not become a "play to win game".
Ultimately FD will know exactly where they see it going as companies don't work on month to month plans.
They will be 100% on where they see the game Year 1 through to Year 5.
They will also have any plans in place at this early stage for implementation of micro transactions.

Not exactly. They have rough plan, yeah, but they asked for opinion with DDF and community regarding micro transactions 5 months ago. I asked them recently for update and they said they will announce their plans regarding MT "soon", I expect during premium beta. I would wait for these news if I were you

The reason for my stating that I would rather see a small monthly subscription as opposed to Micro transactions is that the game cant really survive without either in the long term.

That's some strong assumptions. If you mean game won't get constant updates without someone paying for them, true. However, this is why MT discussion is very important. ED community is very intelligent, and if they say FD they don't like creds for real money, they listen, because it will stay their power base for years.

It is clear there will be some MT products. But anything else is speculation at this point.

What has been raised so far is probably no where near what the game will finally cost and if you think 10k to 80k regular players etc will keep this game going in the future you are sadly mistaken.

Game's final cost is covered by crowdfunding AND investments by FD itself. Also game will keep going on, all what matters is amount of updates.

Also it seems FD seems to be very cost efficient. I wouldn't jump to conclusions about what they can or can't do with current amount of money.

I would like to hear some solid info from FD on where they see the game going. How they plan to maintain their player base when Star Citizen hits (and it will hit like an earthquake).

Why they need to maintain their player base? It's subscription concept. In this case ED has to be interesting enough to return to regular basis, and maybe shell out some money for some cosmetics. As long as it happens, game is safe.

 

[Mu77ley]

The fact that you can buy in game credits for cash has pretty much shown the direction it will take.

You can't, and I have seen nowhere that it has been said that it's even likely to happen.

Where on earth did you hear this?

 

[JughedJones]

Actually he wanted it refunded because his son bought it without consent:

http://forums.frontier.co.uk/showpost.php?p=403111&postcount=1

Guess that changed since then?

But first schooled everyone in a less then nice manner in the PvP Discussion that they should switch off the computer and go away if they can't man up and that it's just a game:

http://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?p=420424#post420424

And now gets a refund because someone somewhere tells it's p2w.

I know I'm going to get flak for posting this and probably will net a report or two but frak it, this just looks wrong.

Oh..... lulz.

 

[Asmodi]

What puzzles me is this: You say you had your beta purchase refunded because you lacked information about ED (or more to the point, you think it will be pay to win), but at the same time you know Star Citizen is going to be awesome.

*sigh*

Please don't take this as me attacking you or anything, because I'm not but... really? I think you got a few things backwards there. Do yourself a favor and look at what's there, look at the youtube videos, look at what's in the Frontier store, and compare.

You'll notice a peculiar absence of expensive, hundred-dollar ship purchases here.

Where did you get that info about buying ingame credits with real money? I highly doubt that btw. for the simple reason that it would be an uncontrollable influence on the interstellar economy, something that ED actually has and that SC promises to do, maybe, sometime in the future.

I really doubt FD wants players to be able to dump prices of certain goods by pouring in real money.

1st Page 6th Post on the Buy credits issue. - Not my quote.
Also no where in my post did I say SC was awesome. I merely stated it will hit like an earthquake. $35 million in pledges pretty much says that.

The only really noticeable thing on all these posts is how little the community really does know about the direction of the game.

 

[warbaby2]

You can't, and I have seen nowhere that it has been said that it's even likely to happen.

Where on earth did you hear this?

Nowhere, he is just seeking attention by mongering old rumors... it NEVER was formally stated as a fact.

 

[jabokai]

You can't, and I have seen nowhere that it has been said that it's even likely to happen.

Where on earth did you hear this?

It was mooted as far back as the Kickstarter - "We will probably allow the supplemental purchase of Credits with real money, for those who want to accelerate their progress through the game." although, as far as I'm aware, it's not gone one way or the other as far as FD have mentioned - they're keeping their cards very close to their chests as far as C4C and MT are concerned.

So Asmodi, as stands, is wrong - it's not a fact... but it could become one.

 

[JughedJones]

1st Page 6th Post on the Buy credits issue. - Not my quote.
Also no where in my post did I say SC was awesome. I merely stated it will hit like an earthquake. $35 million in pledges pretty much says that.

The only really noticeable thing on all these posts is how little the community really does know about the direction of the game.

Did you get it sorted with your son? You know... the one who bought the beta without your permission?

 

[Dante80]

No need to e-slap the messenger.

Asmodi, I think that most of your questions can be answered by a little research without having to take up other members for their word. You can use the forum search function to find what actually the developers are saying if you don't trust the community to help you.

 

[Asmodi]

Actually he wanted it refunded because his son bought it without consent:

http://forums.frontier.co.uk/showpost.php?p=403111&postcount=1

Guess that changed since then?

But first schooled everyone in a less then nice manner in the PvP Discussion that they should switch off the computer and go away if they can't man up and that it's just a game:

http://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?p=420424#post420424

And now gets a refund because someone somewhere tells it's p2w.

I know I'm going to get flak for posting this and probably will net a report or two but frak it, this just looks wrong.

You might have wanted to read the full refund post thing prior to posting this.
Actually you might have wanted to read and fully understand prior to posting it.
So you read my original post on this thread. Decided you could not answer any of it. Decided I was attacking the game. And after all that decided you had to then try and attack me.
Your not very good at decision making are you?
And no I doubt anyone will report you for this. Regardless of how much you crave the notoriety.

 

[Oddball]

I got my premium Beta refunded as I was unable to get answers to some basic questions regarding the future of ED.

I'm concerned it is going to turn into a "Give me your money and you can get the best of everything game".

Can I ask you why you posted this? It is not very helpful is it? If you are not happy with where the game is going then you are entitled to do what you did but please don't spoil things by putting off potential new comers to the game. Were you looking for sympathy by posting it?

You are wrong about the way the game is heading. Why can't people understand that we are finally getting the game. This is something that I never thought would happen but it is happening and you have to thank everyone who backed the project on kickstarter because if it wasn't for them there wouldn't be a game at all.

I wish the mods would just delete these really negative threads.

 

[JughedJones]

You might have wanted to read the full refund post thing prior to posting this.
Actually you might have wanted to read and fully understand prior to posting it.
So you read my original post on this thread. Decided you could not answer any of it. Decided I was attacking the game. And after all that decided you had to then try and attack me.
Your not very good at decision making are you?
And no I doubt anyone will report you for this. Regardless of how much you crave the notoriety.

I hope you got you're refund. You're not very good at the game already.

 

[xyphic]

Ok some very good points there from people and I don't think we are all that different in that we want the game to remain as close to its roots as possible and not become a "play to win game".
Ultimately FD will know exactly where they see it going as companies don't work on month to month plans.
They will be 100% on where they see the game Year 1 through to Year 5.
They will also have any plans in place at this early stage for implementation of micro transactions.

Sure, they will have plans for where they see the game going. Sure, they'll have some proto-plans in place for microtransactions. But given we've already been polled on our thoughts on microtransactions, I don't think the form of them has been solidified yet.

The reason for my stating that I would rather see a small monthly subscription as opposed to Micro transactions is that the game cant really survive without either in the long term.

I don't understand where this point-of-view comes from (and it's pretty prevalent). While FD will have some server costs, the game is mostly P2P so their data throughput won't be anything like as high as a traditional MMO, and won't require anything like as many servers for load balancing. It will require ongoing development and maintenance, but that will have been factored into the business plan already.

In my opinion, there are two main ways that FD will keep ED generating money: bring in new players, and release expansion packs. As long as they get the game balance right, the former shouldn't be a problem (though it will drop off over time) and the latter is already planned. If there's a need for P2W style microtransactions (i.e. going beyond just cosmetics) or a need for monthly subscriptions, FD's business plan will have failed.

What has been raised so far is probably no where near what the game will finally cost and if you think 10k to 80k regular players etc will keep this game going in the future you are sadly mistaken.

As above, it's not just the regular players. If you charge £35 for the game and someone plays it once, it's no different from a player who pays the same and plays it every day. A subscription model *requires* regular players.

Paying £35 for the game on release is not a lot of money. I personally judge entertainment on a £10 per hour basis (Hence the reason I don't go to football matches anymore lol) so if I get 4 or 5 hours enjoyment out of it then fair enough.

Brilliant -- you're getting a bargain. Tell your friends!

I would like to hear some solid info from FD on where they see the game going. How they plan to maintain their player base when Star Citizen hits (and it will hit like an earthquake).

I'm going out on a limb here, but I don't think FD have much to worry about with Star Citizen. By the time SC hits retail, Elite will have been out for at least a year. If all goes according to plan there may even be an expansion available. SC is actually really good for ED: if ED turns out to be a critical success, it has a ready-made market of all of those SC fans who are itching for something to play while waiting for their product.

 

[Toumal]

Also no where in my post did I say SC was awesome. I merely stated it will hit like an earthquake. $35 million in pledges pretty much says that.

Which is more or less the same thing? Unless we're mincing words here.

The only really noticeable thing on all these posts is how little the community really does know about the direction of the game.

There's a lot we don't know, as FD doesn't tell us everything. However, they have proven to be listening to the community. We asked them to include the frame shift drive instead of just warping from location to location within a system, and they changed their plans accordingly. They actually incurred a hefty development effort and had to change quite a bit of their multiplayer concept because of that.

Getting back to the pay to win argument: It is not pay to win if you can achieve it through gameplay. I play a lot of planetside and I can tell you that it is not pay to win either - for any weapon or piece of functional equipment can be had just by playing, and the amount of playtime required is very reasonable. You can accelerate that via real cash in PS2, but you don't gain an advantage. It's very situational. And the things you can only buy with real money are cosmetic things.

If Elite went the same route, I would not mind at all. Want to spend 20 bucks to get a Cobra without having to do bounty hunter or trader work for a few days? Be my guest. As long as I can get the same thing just by playing, fine by me.

That is, if they really do go down that road, which we don't know yet, only you claim that you do, which you can't at this point.

 

[Asmodi]

Did you get it sorted with your son? You know... the one who bought the beta without your permission?

You didn't read the post either. Did you?
Im sure if you and Hunvagy enquire about reading and understanding lessons they might do you a discount.
Either that or cut both of you up for Medical Research

 

[usernametaken]

I wish the mods would just delete these really negative threads.

Locking this thread would make more sense. To delete it might look like censorship.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

You might have wanted to read the full refund post thing prior to posting this.
Actually you might have wanted to read and fully understand prior to posting it.
So you read my original post on this thread. Decided you could not answer any of it. Decided I was attacking the game. And after all that decided you had to then try and attack me.
Your not very good at decision making are you?
And no I doubt anyone will report you for this. Regardless of how much you crave the notoriety.

There's no point in personal attacks. Let's keep this ontopic.