UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

[Allant Doran]

Could somebody with a better musical ear than me figure out the musical notes when the UP 'sings'?

There are two types of 'singing' it does and they repeat one after the other, over and over again.

EDIT: I think this is already wrong. I am so bad at this.

I normally wouldn't go down such a route but it REALLY sounds like music, not just the random, whale-like whining of the UA.

 

[SpocksOddSocks]

It was like watching a dolphin try to land a spaceship.

''These Flipper's ain't made for sticks!'' - Cmdr. Dolphin, probably.

I take you haven't read David Brin's Uplift Saga

 

[Allant Doran]

I take you haven't read David Brin's Uplift Saga

I have no idea what that is, haha

 

[NorMonsta]

Interesting stuff. We're 100% sure that the UP isn't just EMPing because of the UAs honk?

Also, what happens to a UA if it's inside the EMP range?

I have no idea what that is, haha

oh allant allant allant, the ''proper"way to answer that is " Oh not yet but I hear its intriguing and thought provoking, its on my list for after I finish Study this year"'

 

[GormDeGamle]

(...)
Well, let me explain:
I suspect there is some shared variable between UP and UA they forgot to "separate".
So, if you scan the UA that variables becomes true, and then when you deploy the UP, it finds that variable already true, and it activates immediately.
That's just me wearing the developer hat, anyway.

That's very reasonable thinking!
So it's probably worth reporting it as a bug - just to see what FDs response will be...

 

[Allant Doran]

So what exactly did people do to the UP's ADS message to clear up the Spectrograph image? That's the level of newbie we're talking here.

 

[rizal72]

This is the direction I've been optimistically pushing, but with no success. The first problem is that the purrs aren't in groups of three, they're in long sequences of 9-18 and not divisible by 3 as often as they are.

Secondly is High | or - ?

Either way, you end up with |-| and |-- which don't have matching quadrants.

I know. But it's really worth a try IMHO. Let's assume | is high, - is low. See what comes out.

Could somebody with a better musical ear than me figure out the musical notes when the UP 'sings'?

There are two types of 'singing' it does and they repeat one after the other, over and over again.

EDIT: I think this is already wrong. I am so bad at this.

I normally wouldn't go down such a route but it REALLY sounds like music, not just the random, whale-like whining of the UA.

The notes are already on the FP since long time

 

[HBosch]

Ok my tinfoil hat is fastened tight with straps - but i think i'm closing in on this.

There is a coded message between 300 - 700 hz in the unlogarithmic spectrograph.
It requires manipulation - i think into a sphere shape to unlock - what looks like text.
I think i can make out the words Merope 5c with imagination.
I don't have adobe or anything and can't find anything free to paste a 2d image on a sphere.

Here is my reasoning.
The first symbol in the left panel has a < with a block below it. I think this is a representation of the spectrogtraph. Line drawing above and blocks of data below.
A dot to the left of the blocks of data says the message is buried here.

The circle is instructions to access the data from below. The upper left sumbol .|. is what we will see once we decode the bottom correctly, analagous to the voyager probe circle in a box. The symbol at the top right of the circle is asking us to bend straight lines into a curve.

The symbols |.. and ..| symbolise start and stop of message. The sphere contains the information to decode the data. First is a frequency range. The diameter of the sphere is 1.6 seconds corresponding to 1.6 KHz. The lines intersecting circumference in the bottom left have x axis and y axis coordinates of 0.33 and 0.66 seconds (Given radius is 0.8s) I believe this indicates the frequency range 333 Hz to 666hz (image fuzzy so could be a bit out - but the 1/3 to 2/3 ratio is nice)

THe radial line in the bottom right quadrant tells us how to paste the image onto the sphere. The image sits between the bottom 1/3 and 2/3 of the sphere to decode the message.
if the message height was (arbitary units) 0.4 (circumference of circle with radius 0.8 is 5 therefore 1/12 of circumference is 0.4) than radius of circle is 0.8

this gives us everything we need but an image editor. Anyone know a simple way to paste a picture on a sphere? i don't have adobe or such, tried some skewing in paint but couldn't get it to work. If i sqwuint my eyes at it i reckon i can make put words Merope 5c....

I will upload spectrograph picture we need to paint on sphere

OK I have lookes and relooked at this - but think i am going insane - staring at things when there is nothing to see
mind plays tricks - my absurdly complicated idea can be thrown in the bin!

 

[rizal72]

So what exactly did people do to the UP's ADS message to clear up the Spectrograph image? That's the level of newbie we're talking here.

You don't need the spectrogram, nor the notes, to transcribe the Purrs. Just listen with your ear and write - when you hear a low purr, and | when hi.
Going to the beach now See you later.

 

[Allant Doran]

You don't need the spectrogram, nor the notes, to transcribe the Purrs. Just listen with your ear and write - when you hear a low purr, and | when hi.
Going to the beach now See you later.

Oh THAT's what you meant by transcribe. My bad, I made up my own meaning apparently.

Will do what I can

 

[Rudolphus]

there is more in the spectrogram then only the symbols,

In the begin it look like persons on it like on the golden disk we have place a female and man,
it looks like in the begin on a ant, ant people

 

[dumbo]

AFAICT the chirps on the planet seem to be something like...
- high note, | low note

[honk 0:00]
|-- --| -|- [honk 1:00]
--| --| --| [honk 1:48]
--- |-- [honk 2:40]
|-- --| --- --| [honk 3:30]
??? --| |-- [honk 4:25]
--| -|- --| [honk 5:20]
--- [honk 6:15]
|-- ??? --- [honk 7:08]
-|- --| --- [honk 7:58]
??? [honk around 9:00]
--| |-- ??? |-- [honk 9:52]

[my best guess, but prone to errors - and the ??? I couldn't guess]

 

[Keybuk]

I know. But it's really worth a try IMHO. Let's assume | is high, - is low. See what comes out.

This was already done in the previous megathread, no?

The first howl/purr sequence is:

- - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - -

That would be:

|--||-|--||--|--|

You could break it up into three, with two left over:

|-- ||- |-- ||- -|- -|

That'd be:

Normals, (no match), Normals, (no match), Arc, (no match)

In binary the sequence would be:

100 110 100 110 010 01

4 6 4 6 2 1

Or all together

79,049

 

[Allant Doran]

Are we including the Growls you hear within the 'Singing' itself?

For the moment I'm ignoring the chirps and only listening to the growls as 'high/low' morse... though it is turning up nothing.

 

[Mhyre]

Well, let me explain:
I suspect there is some shared variable between UP and UA they forgot to "separate".
So, if you scan the UA that variables becomes true, and then when you deploy the UP, it finds that variable already true, and it activates immediately.
That's just me wearing the developer hat, anyway.

From one developer to another, that actually makes a lot of sense. Do you think I didn't get the audio because I was perhaps a little too far from the probe?

Interesting stuff. We're 100% sure that the UP isn't just EMPing because of the UAs honk?

Also, what happens to a UA if it's inside the EMP range?

100% Sure. I have recorded the Unknown Probe next to an Unknown Artefact. The Unknown Artefact never triggered the probe by simply purring, singing or being here. Also, the EMP only knocks back ships. Everything else is not affected and doesn't get pushed back, other probes, materials or SRVs included.

 

[rizal72]

AFAICT the chirps on the planet seem to be something like...
- high note, | low note

[honk 0:00]
|-- --| -|- [honk 1:00]
--| --| --| [honk 1:48]
--- |-- [honk 2:40]
|-- --| --- --| [honk 3:30]
??? --| |-- [honk 4:25]
--| -|- --| [honk 5:20]
--- [honk 6:15]
|-- ??? --- [honk 7:08]
-|- --| --- [honk 7:58]
??? [honk around 9:00]
--| |-- ??? |-- [honk 9:52]

[my best guess, but prone to errors - and the ??? I couldn't guess]

If I remember correctly, three same in a row were never heard. I mean --- or |||, I'm almost sure about that.

 

[Keybuk]

Are we including the Growls you hear within the 'Singing' itself?

For the moment I'm ignoring the chirps and only listening to the growls as 'high/low' morse... though it is turning up nothing.

There are an awful lot of elements to the audio...

Also don't listen to it at 4am, with the lights off... I can't sleep now

 

[Alpenmilch]

I playing with the Image putting it on Shapes like spheres und add heightmaps, but I have a problem to upload the images. I ve been always told, it´s an invalid file[sad]

 

[walaykin]

This was already done in the previous megathread, no?

It's a bit of a reach, but there are a fair few other possible types of encoding. For example, it could be an NRZ-type encoding - the change from a high-low or low-high purr could be |, staying the same could be -

I don't think that works to give groups of 3, but you get the idea - it might not be 1 purr -> 1 symbol.

I am staring at Netslayer's transcription as linked from the first page (assuming it's still valid - I have a terrible ear for sound) and can't spot any obvious way to group them to get triplets.

For those with good ears (or access to a spectrogram of the purrs) is there any grouping in the time domain that might indicate a more complex purr->symbol mapping

 

[Allant Doran]

There are an awful lot of elements to the audio...

Also don't listen to it at 4am, with the lights off... I can't sleep now

Middle of the day here and I am loving it. I can't solve anything but the sound is so wonderful to listen to. Though I worry their music is alluring to me, as though I were a small fish and this were an Angler Fish's lamp.