UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

[Colonel Kenney]

Tin hat theory again,

The sphere represents the scanner, the markers in the left lower quadrant suggest you turn anticlockwise,
the |.. and ..| represents the screen warning that comes with the jump to hyperdrive.
the top right panel is a symbol for the UP.

Msg says, rotate anticlockwise before going into hyperspace whiler carrying a UP.

Maybe thats why Jacques mis jumbed - stations rotate anticlockwise - maybe there was a UP aboard.

anyone with a UP to test?

You know in the DDF there was a LOT of talk about "dark systems" that we wanted. We wanted misjumps and actual ability to fly in witch space to change direction etc.

I wonder if it is possible to "lock on" to another nearby planets/star if you point away from M5C to jump to if you can find it. Even if its isn't on the charts its a new star we'll find.

 

[rizal72]

So like this?

​-|- = arc
-|| = ring
|-- = spike
--| = radial

-|- arc
-|- arc
||- ring-
-|| ring+
--| rad
|-| ? (spikes or rad?)
|-- spikes
||- ring-
-|| ring+
--| rad
--| rad
-|- arc
-|| ring+
-|- arc
||- ring-
|-- spikes
--| rad
--| rad
- ?

YES! Exactly what I'm trying to explain in the last three days from my phone in my holidays! +Rep

rizal, is this what you meant? cause.....that's kinda interesting way to think of it hmm.

only 4 characters and the actual meaning of them is super vague but it's a really different direction to look at- the round thing is just a sample planet that doesn't match any real planet, it's just there to show example signals.

it just all rides on getting those 3-symbol groups from somewhere. if the UP was just outputting 1-4 groups and repeating, it would be great but we just get what looks like random groups from the set, and then some that arent in the set and no idea of what to pick out.

Oh yes, exactly this!

I like the way you are thinking, but there is atleast one problem. The start of this sequencing is very arbitrary. It just starts when the recording starts, and by the way there is a - missing at the start of that sequence in the recording, but it was before the first howl and has been omitted. By shifting one purr to the right or left, you will still get the same "glyphs" but in a different sequence. So you either need a starting point, or this is a case of forcing the purrs into a pattern that you recognise.
So, where do you start the sequencing?

that's why I'm asking mhyre the 6 min recording from space and not 10 min from planet. After the Honk BETTER!
Only then I suspect we'll have the true sequence. Like Han Zen is asking as well.

 

[Darth Ender]

to me it looks like the Probe is forming a hyperspace cloud but fails to have the necessary energy and causes a EM discharge instead. It probably will only work when all the criteria FD has made required are met (probably something conducive to maintaining the opening to hyperspace).

As for dark systems.. there would already be dark systems in the game if FD fixed stars that are too cold to give off light to not give off purple light. We should be awash in dark systems since basically any system with only a brown dwarf would be unlit.

 

[walaykin]

that's why I'm asking mhyre the 6 min recording from space and not 10 min from planet.
Only then I suspect we'll have the true sequence.

Ooh. I wonder if the UP re-starts the sequence after a ping/EMP? That might provide the start-of-sequence marker - IF there's a message there, of course.

It's a real shame they're so hard to obtain since it's risky letting it sit in space for 5.9 minutes...

 

[Arguendo]

that's why I'm asking mhyre the 6 min recording from space and not 10 min from planet. After the Honk BETTER!
Only then I suspect we'll have the true sequence. Like Han Zen is asking as well.

Very good request. That would fit very well with the patch notes, and that the UP is supposedly space-related (per MB).
Looking forward to seeing this, but I must admit that I am not too optimistic about it having another (and discernible) pattern, or a definite starting point.

 

[rizal72]

EDIT: rizal wasn't replying to Arguendo here - I'm drawing the link between the quotes:



Ooh. I wonder if the UP re-starts the sequence after a ping/EMP? That might provide the start-of-sequence marker - IF there's a message there, of course.

It's a real shame they're so hard to obtain since it's risky letting it sit in space for 5.9 minutes...

I really don't know if I'm right or not, but the Purrs are the very FIRST thing we started studying on the UA long ago, never finding a real meaning to them. The morse and everything else came only later on. So FD knows very well what we are doing on them. MB clearly said they learn from what we do, to elaborate the future puzzles.
In my theory we do not need morse, binary, octals, hidden voices, cryptography, hard audio decoding, 3D visualization, anything. Just listening to the purrs, writing them, and applying them to the drawing in the spectrogram: the only part that needed some little external help to decode, but that FD knew very well we were using already: I've visually decoded all the MORSE for the ships drawings, thanks to sonic visualizer and its spectrogram feature.
And they knew it.

It seems to me they are trying to come towards us, accommodating us, and we are running away from them, overthinking...

 

[Debruys]

Hello all. I have had a look at the "howls" performed by the probe. Here is a rough transcription of the two sequences:

(The above is just used as an illustration and approximate in several aspects. Don't rely on it for exact data.)

The e flats are, as noted on the picture, very flat. To us who are used to listening to equal tempered music, the probes are singing way out of tune.

Did they get the blues? Probably not. But these false tones make sense if part of an overtone (or natural harmonics) series. The nature of the overtones of a certain fundamental tone, is such that their frequencies are multiples of the frequency of the fundamental tone. For example, to produce the overtone series of the concert A, 440 Hz, just multiply 440 with 2 for the first overtone, with 3 for the second overtone, with 4 for the third overtone, and so on.

As for the howls of the probe, the fundamental tone is not your standard concert A though. Incidentally, it is instead a much lower concert A, at 110 Hz. (At least I'd say it is much closer to 110 Hz than it is to 109 or 111 Hz.)

In other words, the song of the unknown probe is performed on multiples of 110 Hz.

The "A" sequence, which in my transcription above consists of 6 tones, is as follows:

• The first tone, g, is the 13th overtone of 110 Hz and has a frequency of 1540 Hz
• 2nd tone, a, 15th overtone, 1760 Hz
• 3rd tone, e, 11th overtone,1320 Hz
• 4th tone, e flat, 10th overtone, 1210 Hz
• 5th tone, another g
• 6th tone, E, 5th overtone, 660 Hz

And the "B" sequence:

• 1st tone, low E, 2nd overtone, 330 Hz
• 2nd tone, E, 5th overtone, 660 Hz
• 3rd tone, e, 11th overtone, 1320 Hz
• 4th tone, a, 15th overtone, 1760 Hz
• 5th tone, g, 13th overtone, 1540 Hz
• 6th tone, e flat, 10th overtone, 1210 Hz
• 7th tone, another g
• 8th tone, another e flat
• 9th tone, b, 18th overtone, 2090 Hz

The fact that the e flat is so incredibly "out of tune" fits it's role as the the 10th overtone perfectly, since the 10th overtone will always be much lower than it's closest equivalent on an equal tempered chromatic scale. (An "in tune" e flat here would have had a frequency of 1244.5 Hz, while the one in the actual howl is 1210 Hz.)

That's all. I don't have any fun theories to match these numbers. So, the howls in their entirety seem to have a common fundamental tone of 110 Hz. Whether this frequency is of any significance, I do not know. (What I can say, however, is that 110 Hz is the same frequency as that of the 5th guitar string, which suggests a slightly more boring explanation.)

 

[Atebits]

Just a quick reminder - this is not the place for you to be digging around in the game files, it's a place where people work stuff out by hypothesis, testing, more testing, observation, more hypothesis, more testing...

FOR THE SCIENCE not for the hacking.

I wish I had this quote on hand. J.R.R. Tolkien wrote how one of the ways he achieved the mystery of his stories was by creating an enchanted isle, mentioning it, and then not going there. Characters might be allowed to see it. They could describe it. They might even have contact with some facet of its 'enchantment', but ultimately these things remained imagined.

The best stories probably have this face chuckling at you from a dark corner: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td6f8RnxgBQ

Not EVE bashing, but it tends to be a game needs its "sparkle dragons": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=US92PR1tI1o.

I have a globe game grandmother left me that has Brazil as most of South America and still has most of the colonies on it. The "dark" was a lot closer before the internet and then still pretty dark until Google Maps. That huge mysterious wonderland isn't jungle now. It Manaus; some city that looks like it could be a copy-paste of a swath from Tokyo's Kamagaya district. Hey, at least there's a sparkle dragon in the Thames anyway! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Muun89TvHM&feature=youtu.be

 

[rizal72]

I really don't know if I'm right or not, but the Purrs are the very FIRST thing we started studying on the UA long ago, never finding a real meaning to them. The morse and everything else came only later on. So FD knows very well what we are doing on them. MB clearly said they learn from what we do, to elaborate the future puzzles.
In my theory we do not need morse, binary, octals, hidden voices, cryptography, hard audio decoding, 3D visualization, anything. Just listening to the purrs, writing them, and applying them to the drawing in the spectrogram: the only part that needed some little external help to decode, but that FD knew very well we were using already: I've visually decoded all the MORSE for the ships drawings, thanks to sonic visualizer and its spectrogram feature.
And they knew it.

It seems to me they are trying to come towards us, accommodating us, and we are running away from them, overthinking...

Quoting myself just to add this Important observation:
I was one of the first dismissing the PURRS/TUBA because nothing was coming out from them in the past.
But now we've been given a CLEAR HINT in the patch notes:
FD have explicitly modified the UP transmission to fit it correctly in the 6 minutes life time of a canister, before going poof.
This simple thing is HINTING us that the UP audio, they call TRAMISSION, not AUDIO or NOISE, could really mean something. Otherwise why bothering?

 

[CMDR Ash]

Quoting myself just to add this Important observation:
I was one of the first dismissing the purrs because nothing was coming out from them in the past.
But now we've been given a CLEAR HINT in the patch notes:
FD have explicitly modified the UP transmission to fit it correctly in the 6 minutes life time of a canister, before going poof.
This simple thing is HINTING us that the UP audio, they call transmission, could really mean something. Otherwise why bothering?

ahh, the voice of logic as always Riz. Exactly, why would the sound team waste time on fixing such a small item if it didn't have a purpose? if it didn't have to be used in some way?

 

[HBosch]

Don't you hate it when you to go a cleverly-thought-out position (50,-52) and at that exact location you find an ordinary wreckage.

I don't have time to work out when I try to upload the screenshot it says "invalid file", even if it is a 78K jpg.

*sigh*

I can relate to this - Oh Man! Post screen shots on imgur and paste link in forum.

 

[Toxophilist.]

Quoting myself just to add this Important observation:
I was one of the first dismissing the PURRS/TUBA because nothing was coming out from them in the past.
But now we've been given a CLEAR HINT in the patch notes:
FD have explicitly modified the UP transmission to fit it correctly in the 6 minutes life time of a canister, before going poof.
This simple thing is HINTING us that the UP audio, they call TRAMISSION, not AUDIO or NOISE, could really mean something. Otherwise why bothering?

Purely conjecture but my belief is that it prevents the UP "sounds" from existing beyond its life span and thus being inconsistent with the game immersion. Otherwise we could be speculating about noises from beyond the grave and how we were being contacted from a parallel dimension. Did the UP die or transcend to its upper energy level of existence? Just my thoughts.

 

[BluWolve]

So thinking about the Orion and the Pleiades, the myths and the stars and how they relate to one another. If something is coming to merope, i believe it has a very high chance of coming from or being related to Orion. I noticed some coincidences that may help explain some of the clues we have been given so far. Just as likely are could mean nothing but I will write them here in no particular order and let people make of them want they will.


PRE logistics support. New factions that have just sprung up in the Pleiades, with greek alphabet in the names. Possible relation to recent federal expansion. Could be indicative of particular stars in Orion constellation, perhaps for defensive purposes -

PRE Logistics support Alpha - Alpha Orionis (Betelgeuse)
PRE Logistics support Beta - Beta Orionis (Rigel)
PRE logistics support Epsilon - Epsilon Orionis (Alnilam)
PRE Logistics support Gamma - Gamma Orionis (Bellatrix)
PRE logistics support Zeta - Zeta Orionis (Alnitak)

Sirius and Procyon in some cultures were thought to be the hunting dogs of Orion. Along with Rigel, these 3 stars make up the "winter triangle". The ojibwa (Chippewa) native Americans call the constellation of Kabibona'kan, The winter maker, as its presence in the night sky heralds winter. In other cultures, Orion constellation rises in November, signifying the end of the sailing season, and coming stormy weather.

One ancient story tells of how Orion got drunk and attacked Merope, and her father blinded him for it. He travelled East where Helios (the sun) healed his vision.

Another tells of how he pursued the seven sisters (Pleiades) for seven years, until Zeus took pity on them and raised them to the heavens. When Orion was killed later (by Artemis or the sting of a scorpion) he was also raised to the heavens to resume his pursuit.

The constellation of Orion chases the Pleiades through the sky, and is predicted over the course of millions of years he will almost catch them. Before he does, many of the stars in Orion are predicted to blow.

The image taken from the UP sound also has a little picture of what I believe to resemble a hunter with a bow, and it corresponds to the two "spikes" we have noted in the bottom left quadrant of the image. This may be an indication of what is coming and where it is coming from.

All this, and the permit locked regions around Orion suggest to me that something is coming and it us coming from that direction. Or i may have finally lost my marbles haha.

Regardless, I will be looking into this further. Firstly i want to observe and record how far these particular stars are and if they are moving at an accelerated unnatural rate towards the Pleiades. I am also going to do some searching in and around the permit locked areas and get some system data from specific points of interest.

I am no expert in astrology or astronomy or ancient mythology, so if there are any of you out there that read this and take an interest, I would greatly appreciate any input or suggestions of noted areas to search in and around Orion and the permit locked regions.

Thankyou if you made it this far reading my ramblings o7

 

[LordZoltan]

Quoting myself just to add this Important observation:
I was one of the first dismissing the PURRS/TUBA because nothing was coming out from them in the past.
But now we've been given a CLEAR HINT in the patch notes:
FD have explicitly modified the UP transmission to fit it correctly in the 6 minutes life time of a canister, before going poof.
This simple thing is HINTING us that the UP audio, they call TRAMISSION, not AUDIO or NOISE, could really mean something. Otherwise why bothering?

Yes I agree. More work needs to be done on this - with a clean recording in space. Theh didn't shorten it to 6 minutes for no reason.

 

[yowl]

Maybe its coordinates to Glen Miller, well, we don't want him, you can keep the smegger.

 

[LordZoltan]

on another note - if the diagram is indeed a map; then I think we learn what it means when we find a centre or location for the UPs 'in the wild'.

And I think with the application of logic we can find them.

 

[Dreadp1r4te]

So thinking about the Orion and the Pleiades, the myths and the stars and how they relate to one another. If something is coming to merope, i believe it has a very high chance of coming from or being related to Orion. I noticed some coincidences that may help explain some of the clues we have been given so far. Just as likely are could mean nothing but I will write them here in no particular order and let people make of them want they will.


PRE logistics support. New factions that have just sprung up in the Pleiades, with greek alphabet in the names. Possible relation to recent federal expansion. Could be indicative of particular stars in Orion constellation, perhaps for defensive purposes -

PRE Logistics support Alpha - Alpha Orionis (Betelgeuse)
PRE Logistics support Beta - Beta Orionis (Rigel)
PRE logistics support Epsilon - Epsilon Orionis (Alnilam)
PRE Logistics support Gamma - Gamma Orionis (Bellatrix)
PRE logistics support Zeta - Zeta Orionis (Alnitak)

Sirius and Procyon in some cultures were thought to be the hunting dogs of Orion. Along with Rigel, these 3 stars make up the "winter triangle". The ojibwa (Chippewa) native Americans call the constellation of Kabibona'kan, The winter maker, as its presence in the night sky heralds winter. In other cultures, Orion constellation rises in November, signifying the end of the sailing season, and coming stormy weather.

One ancient story tells of how Orion got drunk and attacked Merope, and her father blinded him for it. He travelled East where Helios (the sun) healed his vision.

Another tells of how he pursued the seven sisters (Pleiades) for seven years, until Zeus took pity on them and raised them to the heavens. When Orion was killed later (by Artemis or the sting of a scorpion) he was also raised to the heavens to resume his pursuit.

The constellation of Orion chases the Pleiades through the sky, and is predicted over the course of millions of years he will almost catch them. Before he does, many of the stars in Orion are predicted to blow.

The image taken from the UP sound also has a little picture of what I believe to resemble a hunter with a bow, and it corresponds to the two "spikes" we have noted in the bottom left quadrant of the image. This may be an indication of what is coming and where it is coming from.

All this, and the permit locked regions around Orion suggest to me that something is coming and it us coming from that direction. Or i may have finally lost my marbles haha.

Regardless, I will be looking into this further. Firstly i want to observe and record how far these particular stars are and if they are moving at an accelerated unnatural rate towards the Pleiades. I am also going to do some searching in and around the permit locked areas and get some system data from specific points of interest.

I am no expert in astrology or astronomy or ancient mythology, so if there are any of you out there that read this and take an interest, I would greatly appreciate any input or suggestions of noted areas to search in and around Orion and the permit locked regions.

Thankyou if you made it this far reading my ramblings o7

Excellent grasp of mythology, well done! I have a very... unique perspective on Orion, so I'm pleased to see someone so familiar with this aspect of his lore.

On the practical side of things, though, I did return from the Orion Nebula last night and discovered nothing of consequence. I did not make a point to stop at any of the main stars, as I'd already done this before, but I did pass through the Orion Nebula, into Barnard's Loop, and finally on to the Orion Dark Region before heading back. I saw only 3 signals during my voyage; all three were Degraded Emissions with nothing of interest. I did not bother to check thoroughly for barnacles, though.

I may make another voyage once I've upgraded my FSD a bit.

 

[CMDR Davanix]

So thinking about the Orion and the Pleiades, the myths and the stars and how they relate to one another. If something is coming to merope, i believe it has a very high chance of coming from or being related to Orion. I noticed some coincidences that may help explain some of the clues we have been given so far. Just as likely are could mean nothing but I will write them here in no particular order and let people make of them want they will.


PRE logistics support. New factions that have just sprung up in the Pleiades, with greek alphabet in the names. Possible relation to recent federal expansion. Could be indicative of particular stars in Orion constellation, perhaps for defensive purposes -

PRE Logistics support Alpha - Alpha Orionis (Betelgeuse)
PRE Logistics support Beta - Beta Orionis (Rigel)
PRE logistics support Epsilon - Epsilon Orionis (Alnilam)
PRE Logistics support Gamma - Gamma Orionis (Bellatrix)
PRE logistics support Zeta - Zeta Orionis (Alnitak)

Sirius and Procyon in some cultures were thought to be the hunting dogs of Orion. Along with Rigel, these 3 stars make up the "winter triangle". The ojibwa (Chippewa) native Americans call the constellation of Kabibona'kan, The winter maker, as its presence in the night sky heralds winter. In other cultures, Orion constellation rises in November, signifying the end of the sailing season, and coming stormy weather.

One ancient story tells of how Orion got drunk and attacked Merope, and her father blinded him for it. He travelled East where Helios (the sun) healed his vision.

Another tells of how he pursued the seven sisters (Pleiades) for seven years, until Zeus took pity on them and raised them to the heavens. When Orion was killed later (by Artemis or the sting of a scorpion) he was also raised to the heavens to resume his pursuit.

The constellation of Orion chases the Pleiades through the sky, and is predicted over the course of millions of years he will almost catch them. Before he does, many of the stars in Orion are predicted to blow.

The image taken from the UP sound also has a little picture of what I believe to resemble a hunter with a bow, and it corresponds to the two "spikes" we have noted in the bottom left quadrant of the image. This may be an indication of what is coming and where it is coming from.

All this, and the permit locked regions around Orion suggest to me that something is coming and it us coming from that direction. Or i may have finally lost my marbles haha.

Regardless, I will be looking into this further. Firstly i want to observe and record how far these particular stars are and if they are moving at an accelerated unnatural rate towards the Pleiades. I am also going to do some searching in and around the permit locked areas and get some system data from specific points of interest.

I am no expert in astrology or astronomy or ancient mythology, so if there are any of you out there that read this and take an interest, I would greatly appreciate any input or suggestions of noted areas to search in and around Orion and the permit locked regions.

Thankyou if you made it this far reading my ramblings o7

And again il submit my Newgrange theory of it being VV Orionis as the focal point

 

[Afterglow [SecB]]

Hello
du you knew that the american astronauts an other scientists have star-systems in the orion nebula?
http://imgur.com/a/t81f1
http://imgur.com/a/KEBVm

 

[BluWolve]

Excellent grasp of mythology, well done! I have a very... unique perspective on Orion, so I'm pleased to see someone so familiar with this aspect of his lore.

On the practical side of things, though, I did return from the Orion Nebula last night and discovered nothing of consequence. I did not make a point to stop at any of the main stars, as I'd already done this before, but I did pass through the Orion Nebula, into Barnard's Loop, and finally on to the Orion Dark Region before heading back. I saw only 3 signals during my voyage; all three were Degraded Emissions with nothing of interest. I did not bother to check thoroughly for barnacles, though.

I may make another voyage once I've upgraded my FSD a bit.

Thankyou sir, I find ancient mythology fascinating and am always looking to learn more.

One question, on your travels did you have a UA with you at all?

My plan is to take UA around to each of the main stars and in through the nebulae in the region, just in case they are required for something out there we haven't figured out yet. I doubt I will search for barnacles, it is mainly for me a data collection mission and I dont have the patience for barnacle hunting. I have a few missions I need to finish up first (trying to get a permit for sol) but as soon as I'm done with that I will head out following the roughly the route you described, pretty much straight through the middle of barnards loop following a straight line from merope.

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And again il submit my Newgrange theory of it being VV Orionis as the focal point

I will add it to my list of places to check thanks mate. Is that because of the VV in the UP sound-image?