UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn
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Hm, maybe we did it the wrong way around? Maybe the upper part is out of scale, and it is a circle but seen from a perspective? Kind of like the radar/hud in the ships?
What is bringing me to this idea is the diagonal lines on the far left/far right that kind of look like scratch marks.
Maybe they should be all horizontal?
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yep, and that would be part of the universal language
I have been trying something else out with that 45 degree line (Well, not quite 45 degrees on the alien image, maybe a little distorted ?) but no idea if I am right or on the right track and it could just be a reference to a circle and nothing more
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Oh, I see. It doesn't make sense that it is relevant just because the radius of a circumference are related 2 PI times if it is not a circle, and that line doesn't actually say anything. If there is any reason why it could be a circumference, I'd say that it is because changing the scale to logarithmic makes all lines straight (not only the radius).
The grid, the center, are more factible to be used as references to identify the picture as a circle. A line from the center? that is just confusing.
Thanks for the explanation, I had already missed it anyway, never expected to even have a name
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I was kinda intersted in how they got an 'Angry' sound out of it in the first place. They didn't say how in the stream.
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Ahh kk, didnt see this post until now.
He's talking about the 3,142 interpratation for the 4 pictograms.
Anyway I'm not convinced about both main interpratations: both the binary and the Pi ones, still have some flaws.
There's no need of Pi, to make a circle from the drawing.
Pi depicted with human numbers does not attract me too much.
The two top glyphs are different from the bottom's, whatever anyone can say about it. They are.
What I think is that we are still missing their real meaning.
The only one explaination that I'm still keeping, not because it's mine
, is the good correlation between the hi/low purrs in the UP transmission, and the four glyphs on the drawing.The reason why I LIKE it so much, is that it does not need any numbers or human conventions at all, assuming the glyphs being just PLACEHOLDERS for the four quadrants, and each triplet in the transmission recalling one of the glyphs, and then one of the quadrants. What we can do with a sequence of quadrants is still unknown.
Anyway, also this theory is far from being perfect. Very far. Too much.
I had always assumed that system controlled by major faction was the only way they could define where signal sources spawn
Just thought about it a bit and they are able to define areas where signal sources spawn, the UA shell is an example of that
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It wasn't mentioned much in the stream because, as Starbeaver intimated earlier, it had only been heard the once the night before and they weren't sure about it.
Wow, if we are still considering 3 1 4 2 as something important I'd just back off and wait for a total refresh.
To get from those symbols to Pi we had to fake a binary interpretation of the glyphs that lacks of rationale and reorder the numbers in a random way to make it match with a rounded version of a 'universal' number that we call PI..
That is fine, I just don't buy it.
He's talking about the 3,142 interpratation for the 4 pictograms.
Anyway I'm not convinced about both main interpratations: both the binary and the Pi ones, still have some flaws.
There's no need of Pi, to make a circle from the drawing.
Pi depicted with human numbers does not attract me too much.
The two top glyphs are different from the bottom's, whatever anyone can say about it. They are.
What I think is that we are still missing their real meaning.
The only one explaination that I'm still keeping, not because it's mine
The reason why I LIKE it so much, is that it does not need any numbers or human conventions at all, assuming the glyphs being just PLACEHOLDERS for the four quadrants, and each triplet in the transmission recalling one of the glyphs, and then one of the quadrants. What we can do with a sequence of quadrants is still unknown.
Anyway, also this theory is far from being perfect. Very far. Too much.
PI isn't a number though. We as humans give PI a value, a description based on our language. No matter where you are in the world in any language if you understand the maths behind it you can recognise it. It doesn't matter what it's called. It's a universal constant. I'm not referring to the glyphs at all, I think they could be something different, unrelated to PI or perhaps not.
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From a pure game play point of view, can you imagine the amount of arguments over "its an egg" "no it's a circle" ?
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I cannot remember what they said exactly... and too late for me to check the vid
did they say something about being in a hot system when it happened ?? but anyway, they also think it may have been a bug.... so I think however it happened, it needs to be duplicated, then tried in similar circumstances in a similar system
and on top of that recordings need to be taken and then analyzed to see if they are changes in the Alien Transmission
I still think the image needs a logarithmic scale, but if you are not talking about the glyphs, than I don't get why did you mention PI. There is a circumference, therefore there is PI, and Radius, and Centre, and Area, and.. then, why did you put any relevance in PI I wonder, just because there is a random line in the drawing? Clearly the inner grid is a good reference to consider the image as a circle, this is why I got lost on the PI reference then.
Just a question from a UA newby.
I have been following the UA's and now UP's discussions for a while. With the latest image from the UP in mind a question came up.
On the voyager the disc contains the image containing information on our counting system but also our location in the universe.
Our location was displayed in relation to pulsars. The idea was that a pulsar can be seen from a great distance and will be the same from all sides. A pulsar acts like a lighthouse in the galaxy. To my knowledge pulsars are not found in ED.
If the UP image contains some location, the aliens must have embedded some reference points that should be visible (maybe in the galaxy map). Did anyone try to find such reference points in the image?
P.S. I cannot actively participate in the search for UP's yet since I am just coming back from a long journey to the other side of the galaxy. I am docked at Jacques station at the moment.
I have been following the UA's and now UP's discussions for a while. With the latest image from the UP in mind a question came up.
On the voyager the disc contains the image containing information on our counting system but also our location in the universe.
Our location was displayed in relation to pulsars. The idea was that a pulsar can be seen from a great distance and will be the same from all sides. A pulsar acts like a lighthouse in the galaxy. To my knowledge pulsars are not found in ED.
If the UP image contains some location, the aliens must have embedded some reference points that should be visible (maybe in the galaxy map). Did anyone try to find such reference points in the image?
P.S. I cannot actively participate in the search for UP's yet since I am just coming back from a long journey to the other side of the galaxy. I am docked at Jacques station at the moment.
Hmm, looking at the incursion into pleiades sector infographic (Awesome stuff btw)
All the outposts seem to be evenly spaced, apart from inbetween Epsilon and Zeta. It looks like there would be one inbetween those two outposts. If the outposts relate to the 'alpha' / 'beta' testing sites referred to by the convoys, it may be worth investigating systems around the midpoint of Epsilon and Zeta outposts (or the 1/4 way from Zeta to alpha, as Epsilon seems not quite to preserve the spacing). I'll wander down there later and look about, but without a UP unfortunately.
All the outposts seem to be evenly spaced, apart from inbetween Epsilon and Zeta. It looks like there would be one inbetween those two outposts. If the outposts relate to the 'alpha' / 'beta' testing sites referred to by the convoys, it may be worth investigating systems around the midpoint of Epsilon and Zeta outposts (or the 1/4 way from Zeta to alpha, as Epsilon seems not quite to preserve the spacing). I'll wander down there later and look about, but without a UP unfortunately.
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Just to begin with.. who said it was aliens?
You start with this: "if the UP image contains locations" - Uncomfirmed - and therefore - undetermined -
Can I ask how could anyone "try to find such reference points in the image", if you start with an IF???
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