UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

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I'm actually surprised that people still don't understand that the pointing is significant. Maybe not the thing that is next on the list to solve but it does matter.

Then again it's DynamicBob, so it wouldn't surprise me if he's just winding people up for 'lolz'.

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Thanks for confirming it again. The pointing is super interesting and I'm hoping we solve that one day too. It must mean something but I can't imagine it's a more important mystery than the UP Image.

he does seem to excel in that ;)

I think the UA and UP are closely connected, both by their obvious technological similarity & also by their pointing behaviour, and are key clues in this puzzle. And I think a useful theory should help us progress (I discount any direct link between barnacles & UA/UP since no sign of them near, nor pointing to, any other barney locations).
I think there are a couple of options:
1) UA & UP were both sent from elsewhere (origin unknown) to search for & locate "something" on merope 5C, & presumably highlight that to us since it is our ships that are scanned by the UA. Alternatively the originator will turn up 'soon' to find it for themselves!
2) they were sent out from 5C:
(A) the UA could be a tripwire long-range warning system telling the 5C "something " that human ships are in the vicinity. The UP could then be either
(i) a detailed message for assistance ("here I am, come help me") if the sonogram gives the location on 5C, or it could be
(ii) an intelligence-gathering probe reporting details of human activities back to that "something" on 5C.
(B) both UA and UP could be intelligence gatherers, with UA capturing info on passing ships, and UP scanning the capabilities of those ships (the EMP effect) and transmitting detailed info on those ships' capabilities back to 5C.
3) UA could have been sent out by something on 5C, but they were intercepted by humans (select your power of choice) , those UAs were investigated, manipulated and that produced the UP, which is an attempt to turn the technology back against the UA creators & find that something that is apparently on 5C

theory implications:
1) can't see that this helps us in any way, but might be viewed as an alternative version of 2Ai. Might find an alien race appears in-game in the near future looking for something it knows is on 5C [alien]
2Ai) I think this suggests UP would be either close to UAs, or close to/within merope. Someone suggested if related to Generation ships they have old-style jump drives & would appear on the plane of Merope quite a way out, though someone else posted recently of military convoy activity around MeropeA with ships doing something near the star.
2Aii) no evidence for this hypothesis as yet, but the UP signal is complex & it is quite possible that there is more information to be gained. I think this hypothesis suggests UP would be near human centres of activity, so near nav beacons, shipping lanes, stations, perhaps those human systems nearest to Pleiades, but maybe especially around the capital systems of Earth, Alioth & Achenar &/or military/technology centres such as Siruis, Chi Orionis etc.
2B) is not very believable since Intel gathering is supposed to be covert but both UA & UP are clearly pointing to Merope & 5C & there is nothing subtle about either of them.
3) there is no evidence for this hypothesis, but the UP signal is complex & it is quite possible that there is more information being passed. It would perhaps fit in with some of the things reported on Galnet, especially Palin's antics. However I don't find this hypothesis convincing, since surely the UP originator would have turned up at 5C & achieved something by now- if the sonogram is the location of the "something" then they would already know where it is on 5C & have been observed trying to uncover it. All we have seen is military activity centred on barneys.

With any of these hypotheses it could be speculated that the UA would act differently if it detected a non-human ship type; no way of testing so a useless speculation.

The bottom line is that there should be something of importance to be found on Merope5C (I suspect something currently hidden but perhaps along these lines https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=14DBJsxCy7Y). I think if we do't unlock it soon then option 1) will be forced on us.
 
so there is more to the message than the map? gah... hey Mike any chance of a clue that doesn't require us to be PHDs in Sound Engineering?

I can't find anything else in it. There is what looks like another audio file inside the first one. Try playing it back, but only the very very top high frequencies

MdqoSHN.png
 

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Can anyone here provide a source on meta alloys being fixed & them now dropping from barnacles?
 
Can anyone here provide a source on meta alloys being fixed & them now dropping from barnacles?

Meta-alloys have been fixed and are dropping from barnacles for quite a while now. I don't think there was any announcement, and the dropping of sales from Darnelle seemed to go silently... but you don't need an official announcement to verify, just go to a barnacle now and get some, it'll spawn.

Don't confuse this with barnacles being "broken" on arrival, and no meta-alloys spawning, like some people have. This is completely normal behaviour.
 
I'm going to try now finding UPs in the UA shell, but orbiting planets. I thought they could have been where jaques station is because of the EMP disabling modules, but it is possible to jump while the UP is EMP-ing so.. I'd assume I can discard them.
 
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Meta-alloys have been fixed and are dropping from barnacles for quite a while now. I don't think there was any announcement, and the dropping of sales from Darnelle seemed to go silently... but you don't need an official announcement to verify, just go to a barnacle now and get some, it'll spawn.

Don't confuse this with barnacles being "broken" on arrival, and no meta-alloys spawning, like some people have. This is completely normal behaviour.

Thanks. I believe it was you who linked a chart or something to help, in another thread?

I've bookmarked it for aid. :)

Don't worry, I know how the spawning works. I just didn't realise that it had returned to normal; instead I mistakenly thought it was still the same situation as when 2.1 first dropped.

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Well there are still barnacle issues I think.

Over the weekend in some instances the barnacles weren't there, but on looking round I found them floating about 200m in the air, shadows on the ground.

Seem to sort themselves out after a bit tho.
 
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so there is more to the message than the map? gah... hey Mike any chance of a clue that doesn't require us to be PHDs in Sound Engineering?

I can't find anything else in it. There is what looks like another audio file inside the first one. Try playing it back, but only the very very top high frequencies

http://i.imgur.com/MdqoSHN.png

Not at home right now, therefore tinfoil theory stuff:

Have you tried to "mirror" the soundfile? You can do it with Songs to elimate the voice-track (Karaoke-selfmade-stuff). I think I have read (not on the first page :)) that someone has tried to fiddle around with mirroring, but I didn´t find it though.
 
There is what looks like another audio file inside the first one.

http://i.imgur.com/MdqoSHN.png



Hmmmm very interesting. Good spot!

To the untrained eye that does at least *look* like the traditional audio frequency display. With more contrast we might be able to extract the visuals and reproduce the waveform to get a facsimile of the audio out? .... or is there a simpler way of doing this via some cunning audio software that I don't know about?


Edit: Just doing some reading about how they digitised records based on an image of the groove on the vinyl..... have FD trolled us and given us a pictorial representation of a record/gramaphone? --1 = put stylus on groove, -1- = rotate, -11 = audio wave generated, 1-- = listen to audio. FD you trolls! :)
 
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On that Reddit post :

Now, on that page it mentions a lot of player-run tests completed, and that the UA had a slight change in sound when a bunch of SAP 8 containers were dropped around it. But this was long before players found that honking the unknown probe caused an EM pulse that disrupts ship electronics (18 July 3302).

To my mind this isn't true.

There was one instance where the UA ran two/three purrs per cycle instead of the usual 5-7. But the UA always does this on intial release anyway, it's just that no-one noticed as during release they'd be maneuvering into position, and far away from the UA with thrusters firing etc... Also the instancing issues we'd encounter and that none of it was ever actually reproducible made it tenuous at best. Yet it was pursued doggedly.

Also the guy is making the age old mistake of saying because Kerrash said something Frontier said it.

FWIW I do have SAP8s stockpiled. =p
 
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On that Reddit post :



To my mind (and I was there) this isn't true.

There was one instance where the UA ran two/three purrs per cycle instead of the usual 5-7. But the UA always does this on high integrity anyway. That mixed in with instancing issues and the fact none of it was ever actually reproducible.

Also the guy is making the age old mistake of saying because Kerrash said something Frontier said it.

FWIW I have SAP8s stockpiled. =p

You're right - the UA sound didn't change with SAP8 around. If I remember correctly, it initially seemed like it did, but then the same 'changed' sound patterns were observed without SAP8s around - thus disproving the idea.

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Elain Boyd died in Wyrd, while investigating several murders connected to Antares/SS1.

Something is going on there.

Why is the Dweller the only engineer without a name?

Don't dwell on it :D

Yeah yeah okay, I'll shut up!
 

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So as requested by the spreadsheet and some personal pms.

Here is audio of:

1) UP deployed
2) UA deployed
3) ADS
4) Collect UP
5) Record UA
Thanks for this. I know I was one of the people requesting it. I was however asking for it to be done in the "opposite" order, ie.
1. Deploy UA
2. ADS
3. Deploy UP
4. Record UA after UP "reply"

Unless there is a bug, the UA interacts with the UP to make it "reply". So it would be interesting to see if the UA scans it first.
Did you happen to do it this way around?
 
*tinfoil hat on* Dear Fellow Cdrs.,
may it be that we don´t see the forrest because of the trees ?
1. Merope 5C is the body with most Barnacles found (yet)?
2. UA align to Merope, UP to 5C - why ? - to guide us there ? Don´t think so, more likely their orientation for transmission to their originators

Might it be that the Barnacles in fact are the Thargoids (respectivly what they mutated to due to the genocide) or are the Thargoids chrysalis form ?
Remember, during the Starflight Episode (2643-2646) and the novae series resulting out of it,
we yet also only found out that our Fuel-Chrystals actually WERE the ancients we were searching for all the time.
 
You're right - the UA sound didn't change with SAP8 around. If I remember correctly, it initially seemed like it did, but then the same 'changed' sound patterns were observed without SAP8s around - thus disproving the idea.

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Don't dwell on it :D

Yeah yeah okay, I'll shut up!

Aye. The UA always does a 2/3 purr cycle on initial release (it's not obvious due to the player being far away it's jettisoned and they are manuevering into position) while UA integrity is 100-99%.

This is why the free-floaters always run a continuious 2-3 purr per cycle and never switch into 5-7 purr mode. Essentially they are "stuck" at 100% integrity.

I remember all the instance problems we'd have with some CMDRs seeing the UA at 100% while others would see it at say 50%.

Since none of it was every reproducible my conclusion was instancing issues causing weird problems.
 
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"Every stick has two ends"

So if one side of UAs points to Merope, then where points the other?

I know it's not going to be one point, but maybe UAs were carrying UPs, droped them and we can find UPs on this way (line) from the other end of UAs.

One argument for the "away from merope" direction could be that they are in between the UA shell and merope ... So they are pointing to both merope 5A and the UAs
 
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