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UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn
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Let me guess. You have nothing. Just clickbaiting.
Only the guy that posts the solution gets all the girls!
yeah, about 4 years to do an Astrophysics degree, another 2 years doing various Sound Engineer/Physics courses, and then about 4 years working on it
this is part of the problem imo. the people working for Frontier are some of the best educated/clever people in the UK. It shows in the game. BUT that is also a problem. A puzzle that might make perfect sense to them, might seem easy, isn't for the other 99% of us.
Frontier, when designing puzzles in future, keep the following in mind: Imagine the people in the Rovers Return solving it. If you can't imagine them solving it, then it's probably not solvable by mere mortals.
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Not sure if this has been noted, but I just watched the Educating Ed piece again and noticed a few things:
Not sure if this is because he was provided them by devs or if the method by which they were obtained marks them this way.
- Ed's probes (and artifacts for that matter) are not flagged as illegal in his hold... They have no flags at all.
- In space, Ed's probes are listed as "Legal Salvage"
- Ed mentions that he got probes from "somewhere" and would be returning them afterwards
Not sure if this is because he was provided them by devs or if the method by which they were obtained marks them this way.
Always sad to think about. You look at games like the original Elite and you can still load it up and experience it now. But who knows if we will be able to launch Elite
If I recall correctly, it was previously stated that should FDev ever close it's doors or stop supporting ED, they'd release the code to the backers. I have no idea if that's still valid or not, but it's at least a glimmer of hope.
Back on topic - been searching the outer reaches of Merope for hours now... I really don't have any rhyme or rhythm to my search, but I've basically gone over 500,000 Ls from the center straight out and around from there... So far, nothing of interest...
Okay. So I'm going to go on a tinfoil rant here a bit.. Put on your hats.
Drew recently took down his lore guide. And he just recently put some back up. Go here to read some for yourself http://www.drewwagar.com/elite-dangerous-saga/elite-dangerous-lore/
Anyway. He basically said that anything in these guides is going to be canon from this point on, but should not contain too many spoilers. Spoilers are different from hints. One of his first articles is based on the generation ships. Talking about them, he says that:
Some are into their 30th generation. Those that are still enroute are travelling in ‘normal’ space, at relativistic velocities.
Collectively these travellers are known as ‘the missing.’
Interestingly enough, if you ‘do the math’, you’ll discover that due to the relativistic speeds, time aboard the Generation ships will have been compressed for the occupants. A further observation results in the conclusion that many of the ships should be reaching their destinations around about now if you assume they were targeted at stars within 100 lightyears (which seems plausible for 24th century technology). The maximum distance they could realistically travel would be around a 1,000 lightyears (probably much less), so both the ships and the civilisation that emerged, if any did make it, should be easily reachable by today’s explorers.
So.. My current tinfoil theory is that we are indeed looking for the generation ships. Or at least one.
Option a.) What if they chose Merope/Pleiades as a destination and are nearing it now? The UA/UP could simply be probes sent out to determine a place for them to settle.
Option b.) They have already passed the Merope system on their way to another and have left behind waypoints for anyone following them so that they can find them.
The spectrogram may be either a.) a map of their destination or b.) a map to wherever they went past Merope. Maybe they got to Merope and found it an unsuitable system and moved on. They also may have bioengineered some form of alien life that they found somewhere to create the technology in the probe. Or they are not constrained by our AI laws and are using one to create new types of synthetic life.
Whoooole lot of tinfoil here. But this season was supposed to be about The Missing, and we have only found some of the more immediate parts of that. The generation ships have been hinted at for quite some time and we have found nothing in game yet about them. Ideas? How far off could this be?
Drew recently took down his lore guide. And he just recently put some back up. Go here to read some for yourself http://www.drewwagar.com/elite-dangerous-saga/elite-dangerous-lore/
Anyway. He basically said that anything in these guides is going to be canon from this point on, but should not contain too many spoilers. Spoilers are different from hints. One of his first articles is based on the generation ships. Talking about them, he says that:
Some are into their 30th generation. Those that are still enroute are travelling in ‘normal’ space, at relativistic velocities.
Collectively these travellers are known as ‘the missing.’
Interestingly enough, if you ‘do the math’, you’ll discover that due to the relativistic speeds, time aboard the Generation ships will have been compressed for the occupants. A further observation results in the conclusion that many of the ships should be reaching their destinations around about now if you assume they were targeted at stars within 100 lightyears (which seems plausible for 24th century technology). The maximum distance they could realistically travel would be around a 1,000 lightyears (probably much less), so both the ships and the civilisation that emerged, if any did make it, should be easily reachable by today’s explorers.
So.. My current tinfoil theory is that we are indeed looking for the generation ships. Or at least one.
Option a.) What if they chose Merope/Pleiades as a destination and are nearing it now? The UA/UP could simply be probes sent out to determine a place for them to settle.
Option b.) They have already passed the Merope system on their way to another and have left behind waypoints for anyone following them so that they can find them.
The spectrogram may be either a.) a map of their destination or b.) a map to wherever they went past Merope. Maybe they got to Merope and found it an unsuitable system and moved on. They also may have bioengineered some form of alien life that they found somewhere to create the technology in the probe. Or they are not constrained by our AI laws and are using one to create new types of synthetic life.
Whoooole lot of tinfoil here. But this season was supposed to be about The Missing, and we have only found some of the more immediate parts of that. The generation ships have been hinted at for quite some time and we have found nothing in game yet about them. Ideas? How far off could this be?
I think in another 20-30 years your PC will have the capacity to run that sim by Yourself, I am sure if FD at any point closes down ED they will be that fair to make it open-source.Always sad to think about. You look at games like the original Elite and you can still load it up and experience it now. But who knows if we will be able to launch Elite
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Am I right that from all positions of supposed to be barnacles on Merope 5C you can see Merope 5?
Merope 5 C -26.3515 -156.4056
Merope 5 C 8.3379 -96.1337
Merope 5 C -28.245 -109.5219
Merope 5 C -28.77 -114.01
Merope 5 C -28.7728 -114.0169
Because I have a "theory" (scientific of coruse, for the science!), that we should just sit on this positions, look into the sky, and try to match somehow circle from the spectrogram. I tried to do this and I think I discern some similarities, but not all. Imagine people/thargoids/AI sitting by the campfires, which were in all barnacles places on Merope 5C, and looking into stars - what do they see? They see this and draw 2D image of this.
1. We have nice cross, or part of it.
2. I am not sure of it, but might be. It is Witch Head, right?
3. you can see stars going in line on Merope 5 disc. I think, there is second "radius" going there, but shorter. I didn't mark it because I didn't want to concel the image.
4. Now this border between two discernible "skies" is visible everywhere and it fits also to the image.
5. i didn't mark |.. ..| because I didn't see any point similar point.
Brilliant, isn't it?
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Merope 5 C -26.3515 -156.4056
Merope 5 C 8.3379 -96.1337
Merope 5 C -28.245 -109.5219
Merope 5 C -28.77 -114.01
Merope 5 C -28.7728 -114.0169
Because I have a "theory" (scientific of coruse, for the science!), that we should just sit on this positions, look into the sky, and try to match somehow circle from the spectrogram. I tried to do this and I think I discern some similarities, but not all. Imagine people/thargoids/AI sitting by the campfires, which were in all barnacles places on Merope 5C, and looking into stars - what do they see? They see this and draw 2D image of this.
1. We have nice cross, or part of it.
2. I am not sure of it, but might be. It is Witch Head, right?
3. you can see stars going in line on Merope 5 disc. I think, there is second "radius" going there, but shorter. I didn't mark it because I didn't want to concel the image.
4. Now this border between two discernible "skies" is visible everywhere and it fits also to the image.
5. i didn't mark |.. ..| because I didn't see any point similar point.
Brilliant, isn't it?
(say yes)
Why do so many people in this thread think that a spectrogram is something really complicated? It is often used in ARG puzzles and doesn't require any special knowledge or expensive programs. All the complicated physics has only been theories and could be completely irrelevant so can we all calm down. Anyway sorry for the interruption guys, and back to science!
Bear in mind that since the majority of ED's networking is peer-to-peer, it'd be relatively easy for the tech community to stand an alternative background sim and matchmaking server once FDEV is done with it. Or even just run one on localhost.
yeah, about 4 years to do an Astrophysics degree, another 2 years doing various Sound Engineer/Physics courses, and then about 4 years working on it
this is part of the problem imo. the people working for Frontier are some of the best educated/clever people in the UK. It shows in the game. BUT that is also a problem. A puzzle that might make perfect sense to them, might seem easy, isn't for the other 99% of us.
Frontier, when designing puzzles in future, keep the following in mind: Imagine the people in the Rovers Return solving it. If you can't imagine them solving it, then it's probably not solvable by mere mortals.
Yep - it is frustrating. I dont think it is necessarily "too hard", more that we don't know what we're looking for really. Its like one of those 10,000 piece jigsaw puzzles but where every piece is just blank. Its obvious where each piece goes, but only after you've solved it (sound familiar?). With some more feedback or even knowing *what* we're trying to find I am pretty sure we'd crack this fairly quickly.
P.S. FD devs - I know your other secrets about DJB2 hashes. That puzzle was more fun to solve
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you're right, the spectrogram isnt' something particularly outlandish or complicated. But "the message" is. In other games it would point to a picture, or location, or whatever. Ours is a puzzle hidden within an ultra-rare object hidden within a rare spawn hidden within a huge galaxy etc. All those variables are enough, the "message" should give us an answer, not another puzzle.
The missing has now become my new priority.
i will start searching Pleiades at around 1000lys
I don't know what you mean by the message, but all we know is that we haven't fully utilized the UP image. The speculation (created in these forums by users) is that there's more to decode in the sound. There might -not- be anything else in the sound. The solution to the puzzle may be extremely simple. The idea that the answer is super complicated, complex, fourth-dimensional transform of 3d space (all points in the galaxy can be mapped to a 4d sphere, cool stuff) is from us. Not the game or MB.
The hard part about the UA puzzle was figuring out how to interpret the message. It ended up making graphs. Once again, we are trying to interpret a message (the image). I don't want hints, makes the end solution not as exciting. But it would be nice to know with image in hand, pen, paper, and the game are all we need to move on. Would stop a lot of 'puzzle too hard' talk and bring more focus to playing the game. Which is the best part about these puzzles. Playing the game is fun.
MB, Mister Brooks, we don't need education in audio encryption and real/complex analysis to finish this, right? Just some regular, old-fashion, chin-in-palm thinking?
Erm, not sure why you're disputing something that we seem to be agreeing about.
Well. They came from Sol. So 1000lys around Sol would be more accurate. My point was hoping that the clues leading us to Merope were from one of the ships.
This is why I need to know if "Time" is a factor. If the system clock is involved somehow then we know the alignment of certain bodies may play a part in this.
I dont think that story line has been thought out much. Looking for them would be pointless.
(slightly off topic)
We need someone like the lady in the trailer for "Arrival" : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFMo3UJ4B4g
We need someone like the lady in the trailer for "Arrival" : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFMo3UJ4B4g
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I'm 100% behind you on this. I'm positive the barnacles and the missing are part of the same thing
444.2 light year between Sol and Pleiades.. well within range of regular sub light travel and then some time for many generations of people.
Are the barnacles a way of leaving a bread crumb trail to Humanity as to where they went (COL 70!) and I bet a whole new "Superpower" will come into play soon.
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