UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

[crushdepth]

But we can travel at 1000c for 30 minutes and then slow down. No one looking for signals seriously does it at that speed. It doesn't work.

If you fly slower you can still stop and check them out. Of course, then it takes longer. But the real killer is how long can you stare at an empty screen before a) your attention wanders and b) you start going out of your mind?

Flying through empty space waiting for random things to happen is not fun. I think I did about 500,000 ls before giving up. Others have gone much further. Nothing.

 

[Xenia_K]

http://i.imgur.com/fcwo2Yb.jpg



Yes its not formatted properly. but as you can see there are more messages or icons which havent been deciphered in the message (including a sideways pointing Y which wasnt shown before and another glyph -|| ), yes this spectrogram has been worked on a lot.. perhaps we need to think about decoding those before jumping off to conclusions about the main one aka the planet symbol.

[up] execellent work commander

THX a lot

 

[CMDR_Mogriax]

[up] execellent work commander

THX a lot

Well theres a lot of disortion in the lower part of the spectrogram .. this could be because of low quality recording or just my sucky low rate skills at decoding. either way id appreciate a very high sample rate recording of a UP.. something above 48k.

 

[Mr.Loma]

I hope I don't bring up old stuff again, thanks for replying last time bitstorm.

After scanning an UP it pushes the ship, is that random or does it point your ship at a certain location?

Have the UAs been honked at when they are glowing? I read that they glow when near a planet or moon.

Have you tried honking at a UP near a glowing UA?

Just things I wondered.

 

[bitstorm]

UP Test 29 has still not been done, & to my mind the diagram clearly points to the small crater with peak inside the large crater on Merope5C, with numbered instructions of what to do & where. So who has a UP at present & why has this test been bypassed?

Because some tests seem more likely to produce results than others, in the end the UP holder is going to try the things that *they* think look more likely.

If support replace my UP lost due to client crash today I will do this one tonight and report back.

"Honk a UP at the huge crater on 5c" is pretty vague though. Anything more specific, or just anywhere do?

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Solid conclusion - pointing to Merope 5C only matters in the Merope system, therefore the Merope system is important.
UAs and UPs are 'space-based' so searching the planets is probably the wrong thing, and Merope 5C has probably been searched more than any other planet, so I think that avenue is stale.

But, there's not that much to the Merope system and it's been searched to death - I'm struggling to see where something could be in space in that system that wouldn't have been found already.
Asteroid belts get ignored, but I'm sure that means some people have specifically checked them in Merope system.
Rings are vast places to hide things but that's needle in a needle-stack searching again.

I've given up on the image because I think it'll only make sense after the fact, so basically we've still got no clue and a massive noise to signal ratio (including this post).

I don't know... It does make sense and it's not the first time it's been said, including by me - but where? Numerous pilots have been all over the system and found nowt.

And if they're probing inside the Merope system itself - then there's two things there that we've missed, despite thousands of people trawling the system...

Which would mean they're found in places in the system where very few people ever go.

someone a day or so ago suggested they might be Generation colony-related hence using old Elite drives which entered a system not by the star but on the system plane but a long way out, cant remember how far. Did anyone investigate this hypothesis?

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Solid conclusion - pointing to Merope 5C only matters in the Merope system, therefore the Merope system is important.
UAs and UPs are 'space-based' so searching the planets is probably the wrong thing, and Merope 5C has probably been searched more than any other planet, so I think that avenue is stale.

But, there's not that much to the Merope system and it's been searched to death - I'm struggling to see where something could be in space in that system that wouldn't have been found already.
Asteroid belts get ignored, but I'm sure that means some people have specifically checked them in Merope system.
Rings are vast places to hide things but that's needle in a needle-stack searching again.

I've given up on the image because I think it'll only make sense after the fact, so basically we've still got no clue and a massive noise to signal ratio (including this post).

All of this is where logic leads us. So if we logically follow the clues we should find the free floaters, but we haven't. So how is it that the most basic of logic is failing us all?

The only suggestion I can offer, is that we are not supposed to know that the probe points to 5c to find free floaters. I could be wrong and the convoys were meant to be found first, but with how they keep saying those are the "hard" way, I can only assume we were supposed to find free floaters first.

So how do we find those? We go back to the beginning. Work from there. Discount everything we know about the probe. Use the data from the UA and maybe the barnacles to find the free floaters. The idea that the spectrogram is going to lead back to the free floaters is a bit far fetched to me. Its too circular of a puzzle. Find a probe, spectrogram, leads to a probe. Just doesn't seem logical. Only way that works is if there are many, many probes and we are supposed to follow a chain of them somewhere. (yes, I realize I'm countering my own arguments at this point.)

And to the people who are not concerned about finding the free floaters, and are just following what we know of the probe to wherever its supposed to lead us, all I have to say is this..

WHY would the probe point to Merope 5c, only then to lead us to somewhere in the same system? It could easily point to the planet it needs to point at. If Merope 5C is not where we find something, but is just a reference point, then it would make more sense to be a reference point in a puzzle using the system as a diagram to point us at something that is not going to be in that system.

An alien race (or humans) is not going to lead us on a search using overly complicated puzzles if it has the means to simply point and say "look here." Which is exactly what it looks like its doing to me. Pointing to Merope, then pointing to Merope 5c.

This!!!
and then the diagram is whereabouts on Merope 5C, and what to do there!
Simples!!

I'm just getting frustrated that test29 has not been done yet since the diagram tells us to do exactly that & where in the large crater to do it. And also that after 2 weeks we still have NO idea where free floating UP s are to do the test myself.

 

[Niamhy]

Well theres a lot of disortion in the lower part of the spectrogram .. this could be because of low quality recording or just my sucky low rate skills at decoding. either way id appreciate a very high sample rate recording of a UP.. something above 48k.

trouble is 1) the source sound is probably mono, and our computers play/record them as stereo. You would need to place debug cam *inside* the probe to remove phasing and 2) it really doesn't help, you filter out the bottom noise and it filters out the image too. It's a bad encode (look at other stereogram images online, they are amazingly detailed photographs. Ours is a muddy scratchy noisy set of lines (which should be perfectly visible if it was encoded properly).

 

[Surl Tesh-echer]

Guys, but just think what should be in that spectrogram to obtain, for example, specific system (wth UPs) data. Isn't that too much information we want from that poor spectro? I mean, even if there is some code, binary system or sth, I don't think we can get too much details from it.

And maybe spectro in part resembles our compass for a reason? Maybe we have to use spectro in the same/similar way as we use compass?

Maybe it goes simple way.

First we knew that we should look in the Merope system.
Then we knew we need to look in the Merope 5c.
Now we have spectro and we need to narrow down search area even more.

 

[CMDR_Mogriax]

trouble is 1) the source sound is probably mono, and our computers play/record them as stereo. You would need to place debug cam *inside* the probe to remove phasing and 2) it really doesn't help, you filter out the bottom noise and it filters out the image too. It's a bad encode (look at other stereogram images online, they are amazingly detailed photographs. Ours is a muddy scratchy noisy set of lines (which should be perfectly visible if it was encoded properly).

Wel actually no, i removed a large portion of an overlaid audio on the lower part of the spectrogram, yes i believe there is an audio message there though im not sure its even human or english. i did try to change it to morse key tones.. though the result is gibberish.

all i did was apply several filters and cut certain portions of the audio file so that i could see cleared images contained within. there is a lot of noise in a standard youtube video of the UP sounding including ship noise.

 

[bitstorm]

On cleaning up the spectrogram, this is a great idea :

In that enough images into a moving animation helps separate the signal from the noise.

I tried to do this but could not find a tool or a way to consistently get "same ratio" images to put in photoshop, and resizing those by eye was gonna be a terrible way to do it.

If anyone has the patience, skill or tool knowledge to give this a go then there are about 30 UP audio files in my sig that can be used to do this (Image/Audio link, all starting in nnn_UP_)

 

[CMDR_Mogriax]

On cleaning up the spectrogram, this is a great idea :

http://rsln.net/random/data-anim.gif

In that enough images into a moving animation helps separate the signal from the noise.

I tried to do this but could not find a tool or a way to consistently get "same ratio" images to put in photoshop, and resizing those by eye was gonna be a terrible way to do it.

If anyone has the patience, skill or tool knowledge to give this a go then there are about 30 UP audio files in my sig that can be used to do this (Image/Audio link, all starting in nnn_UP_)

Yes this is what im trying to show also. there are other symbols/icons which havent been decoded yet.

 

[Xenia_K]

Well theres a lot of disortion in the lower part of the spectrogram .. this could be because of low quality recording or just my sucky low rate skills at decoding. either way id appreciate a very high sample rate recording of a UP.. something above 48k.

again, excellent work Cdr. I think it helps a lot.

Had a quick workover on Your posted pic, just using imagination



the yellow numbers where a quick tinfoil, just was thinking if their chirality is not right but left, that case we read the triplets maybe wrong - tinfoil off

BUT
left hand table I would interprete as "honk the UP near a barnacle ( under a single star ? ) and the UP will transmit a very-long distance message" - 3 arcs
the green marked area might be a system map, until know as U mentioned, to much noise.
the cyan marked area (Frequency burst) seems to be a kind of triplet barcode or similar ? Again, might be random.

My proposal is, use different soundfiles from different occasions on separate channels, clip them to exact same starting point und mix em together to one channel with dubbing at around 5dB,
this way the single images should add up to be more sharp.... (i use the same for my digi astro-photography, takes out a lot of atmospheric disturbances)

 

[Dommarraa]

On cleaning up the spectrogram, this is a great idea :

http://rsln.net/random/data-anim.gif

In that enough images into a moving animation helps separate the signal from the noise.

I tried to do this but could not find a tool or a way to consistently get "same ratio" images to put in photoshop, and resizing those by eye was gonna be a terrible way to do it.

If anyone has the patience, skill or tool knowledge to give this a go then there are about 30 UP audio files in my sig that can be used to do this (Image/Audio link, all starting in nnn_UP_)

Very useful, differences are going to be vital in identifying any further data in the signal. However, I would point out that 1 mans noise is another mans data.
Need....more....data....

 

[crushdepth]

someone a day or so ago suggested they might be Generation colony-related hence using old Elite drives which entered a system not by the star but on the system plane but a long way out, cant remember how far. Did anyone investigate this hypothesis?

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This!!!
and then the diagram is whereabouts on Merope 5C, and what to do there!
Simples!!

I'm just getting frustrated that test29 has not been done yet since the diagram tells us to do exactly that & where in the large crater to do it. And also that after 2 weeks we still have NO idea where free floating UP s are to do the test myself.

I've given up on the map idea. What we know:

* It's a key
* The message contains more data we have not yet decoded

Drawing on the voyager disk as an analogy, it may well be that the key tells you how to decode the actual message from the signal. God knows how but I suspect you have to use info from the key to transform the audio signal somehow. The key and symbols do happen to closely resemble one of those phase shift diagrams. Unfortunately this does not fit within my nerdly expertise.

 

[NorMonsta]

Wel actually no, i removed a large portion of an overlaid audio on the lower part of the spectrogram, yes i believe there is an audio message there though im not sure its even human or english. i did try to change it to morse key tones.. though the result is gibberish.

all i did was apply several filters and cut certain portions of the audio file so that i could see cleared images contained within. there is a lot of noise in a standard youtube video of the UP sounding including ship noise.

there is a test, don't ask me what its called, I saw it on tv....if it is gibberish/random the noise will plot a flat straight line. if there is a lanquage it WILL be a 45 degree line. plotting the relative frequencies of the individual components of the noise for example in English "the"" öf"" "a"" are frequent and xylophone is not

this is no help in deciphering a language...just proof one is there

 

[Xenia_K]

there is a test, don't ask me what its called, I saw it on tv....if it is gibberish/random the noise will plot a flat straight line. if there is a lanquage it WILL be a 45 degree line. plotting the relative frequencies of the individual components of the noise for example in English "the"" öf"" "a"" are frequent and xylophone is not

this is no help in deciphering a language...just proof one is there

google random walktest"

 

[NorMonsta]

google random walktest"

I had a headache BEFORE I looked at that

through the wormhole...looking for aliens episode ..narrator Morgan Freeman of course

 

[Ericlas]

FWIW I managed to get this before client crash and loss of UP :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zenhzYYfAG0

Those strip lights man, they stay on for quite a time.

Bitstorm you are my hero....the lighting duration during the hail was 25 seconds.

UP in space

Pleinone 4 (UP given back by support) 25 sec
Ross 47 A8 23 sec
Ross 47 A8 with UA present 23 sec
Sol -Earth 23 sec
Ross 47 (Educating Ed) 20 sec
SPF-LF 1 1 (Educating Ed) 20 sec



So this behaviour IS depending on location (range from spot or transmission of sth) or cirumstances of the recording and has nothing to do with the patch and its transmission cut to 6 mins.
Look at the different results in Ross 47.
There is a pattern here!
I just have no time to do a map or something else due to my wife being really angry lately with he amount of time I spend on here.

(PS i hope they replace your UP one more!)

Edit: referrence back to my source data

Spoiler

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...8-The-Canonn?p=4315234&viewfull=1#post4315234

 

[Xenia_K]

Wel actually no, i removed a large portion of an overlaid audio on the lower part of the spectrogram, yes i believe there is an audio message there though im not sure its even human or english. i did try to change it to morse key tones.. though the result is gibberish.

all i did was apply several filters and cut certain portions of the audio file so that i could see cleared images contained within. there is a lot of noise in a standard youtube video of the UP sounding including ship noise.

had a quick look at the four frequency bursts framing the three tables, might be just my imagination, but i see framed patterns in here

 

[Matt]

Wel actually no, i removed a large portion of an overlaid audio on the lower part of the spectrogram, yes i believe there is an audio message there though im not sure its even human or english.

At about 1-2KHz under the main sphere my brain was convinced there was a computer-generated voice saying something there (i.e. after filtering out anything above and below this range) but it was just too garbled for me to make out any words clearly so put it down to, er, "ear ghosts".

Would be interested if you heard the same thing....