Say no to magic in a science-based game. 5-100 minutes is not a hardship and in itself is a big improvement for the arcade crowd, you can do other stuff in the meantime whilst the ship is quickly transported to you and this feature would add to game lore and gameplay too.
***POLL NOW CLOSED*** IMPORTANT, OFFICIAL SHIP TRANSFER POLL
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Thankyou Frontier for at least reconsidering the instant nature of transfer initially proposed. It is certainly a contentious matter. And the official poll is a great idea - hopefully you'll get a sufficiently statistically significant response for it to be meaningful (I suspect that will be no problem) either way. Will certainly be interesting to see the result, whichever way it goes.
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Not a justifiable reason to just give up on game and ship balancing while at the cost of immersion, continuity, and further gameplay mechanics and features in the future that could coincide with a time delay. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Sombody help a cmdr out. Which side has more votes at the moment?
I voted for delay - simply because instant transfer takes away a lot of necessity for strategic decision-taking. No need any longer to scrape extra jump range on your comabt ship, no need to decide the order in which to take your ships to the engineers, no need to decide how best to get your unshielded explorer back to your home system. At least, realistic delay - and hopefully scaling costs - retain some of the need to take decisions. I'd also like to see inbuilt risk - ideally with two or three transportation firms bidding for your business - the cheapest ones carrying a risk of losing your ship to accident or piracy (after all, think what a juicy target an unescorted bulk carrier would be - and how susceptible its pilot might be to 'disappearing' en route.
Well then good news, as having a delayed ship transfer will remove absolutely nothing from the game he is enjoying right now.
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Wouldn't be a very good poll with just one option ^^
Which in itself would have opened up a whole mess of discussion about hypothetical's.
Probably could have been best to flesh it out with more accurate numbers and examples and costs.
Giving voters as much information as possible so as to allow us to make the most educated vote.
That the problem with Elite Dangerous. Yeah.
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Robert Maynard
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We don't know - that's the point of a secret ballot.
Hello Commander Marrs!
Personally I quite like it, but it's outside of the current remit for 2.2.
*If* we end up with timed deliveries, it sounds like the kind of thing we could consider in the future (no ETA no guarantees!).
Would any of you Instant Transfer Commanders change your mind, if you were allowed to transfer any ship to any station while sitting at a different station, at a cost + travel time?
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So what do you do at the moment if you need a different ship?
Everyone paid the same for the game.. so equal voting rights? I dunno.. something like that.
So either side will thus feel now that the other side won and they have had imposed on them .......
I always preferred the "Log into any ship" option never mooted, rather than transfer - but hey ho - nobody gave a crap about that
The delay time as it stands bears no resemblance to even the poorest range stock ships.
Regardless, I'm not encouraged to use this within a session to achieve a goal, rather I am encouraged to use it to move a bunch of ships if the scale factor makes sense, or to queue up moves for the next session.
Because the only advantage is that transport can continue, even when I cannot. In fact it makes far more sense to use transport when one is not playing, than when one is.
There is nothing interactive about it. Transport will be useful, but under the current examples given, it has quite limited application. Over short distances swapping ship A to ship B is easier done by going and getting said ship.
Perhaps that's the intention now. For it to be rarely used, and more as a strategic background task, not an engaging ingame mechanic.
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If the transfer time was based on the ship jump range vs distance needed times a fixed amount of time per jump, even if that time was 45 seconds (which is what it takes me to do a jump), I'd be for the delay. This would also maintain a reason to keep a good FSD in there.
With it being slower than flying to the ship and flying back, like they suggested, I'm totally against it. I might as well just buy a hauler and go get my own ship, saving me the money except for the rare cases where I want to transfer home base (which is unlikely to change from Jameson Memorial but which I used to do more frequently).
It would be better if this remained hidden until the polls close. We wouldn't want the running counts on the poll to affect people that haven't voted, yet.
I'm voting for a delay because it gives FD another factor that they can use to balance the use of ship with large jump distance with those of large cargo or large offensive capability. With the area of inhabited space growing and a second bubble emerging i feel this will be needed. I hope the beta will be used to tune this balancing and feel the numbers suggested give a good starting point. The delay/cost of transfer to somewhere like Jacques Station should be very high, to keep the sense of distance.
My second reason for the delay is that it potentially allows for some interesting strategic decisions. Imagine your group wanted disrupt a major power by taking on hit and run tactics. You would choose ships with good jump range but inferior offensive power, relying on numbers and dissapearing before the more powerful opponents would appear. With instant ship transfer your more powerful opponents would always be able to keep up, and the fight would boil down who had the most fire power rather than be decided by a mix of firepower and ability to move to widely different locations quickly.
My second reason for the delay is that it potentially allows for some interesting strategic decisions. Imagine your group wanted disrupt a major power by taking on hit and run tactics. You would choose ships with good jump range but inferior offensive power, relying on numbers and dissapearing before the more powerful opponents would appear. With instant ship transfer your more powerful opponents would always be able to keep up, and the fight would boil down who had the most fire power rather than be decided by a mix of firepower and ability to move to widely different locations quickly.
I had to vote instant.
I mostly agree with it for gameplay reasons
But the alternative option in the poll I totally disagree with!
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For Starters 5 minute minimum timer is too long
A 100 min timer to cross the human bubble is TOO LONG
You can fly 1,000ly in 20-30 mins
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This is how I'd handle it
Every LY = 500-1000cr and 0.5 seconds.
Price can vary depending upon system security. Ill get into that in a moment. First lets give the lore I'd suggest using
At first ship transfer will be a group of NPC pilots who fly around and take ship transfer calls. They pick up your ship and bring it to you for a modest fee. If they have to travel through a lot of sketchy places like Anarchy or Low Security Systems the price might go up, and it will go up if they gotta pick it up from or deliver it to an anarchy or low security system.
When you order a ship transfer after a brief few seconds you will get a message
CMDR Captain Hooch - Your Vulture has been picked up from Potter Enterprises in Phraces and is on route to Long Sight Base in KHUN.
Now since thats about 159ly journey we divide that by half to about 80 seconds.
Now once that 80 second is up you'll get another message
CMDR Captain Hooch - We have arrived at Long Sight Base and are coming in for a landing, you'll have your ship soon CMDR.
At this point your ship will physically enter the instance and be labeled as something like [random worker name] Galactic Ship Transfer LLC, or [random worker name] Ship Haulers LTD
Now if at any point someone player or NPC wants to be a total cockwad and attack your ship the NPC flying your ship will have to make a choice to either land or fight or run depending upon how close to the pad they are and how dangerous the situation is getting.
This might slow things down a little if they still make it to the pad, but if they fight or run it could slow it down by a lot. There's even the possibility they will get your ship destroyed. IF that happens the timer starts all over again. DON'T WORRY THOUGH. You won't have to pay rebuy because the ship transfer company is insured. You'll just have to wait a little longer for them to replace your ship and fly it back to you.
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In a later update you could add in massive capitol ships that haul a lot of ships at once and have them spawn around the galaxy. These would be NPC only ships, but maybe when space legs comes out Player Pirates could hijack these.
I mostly agree with it for gameplay reasons
But the alternative option in the poll I totally disagree with!
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For Starters 5 minute minimum timer is too long
A 100 min timer to cross the human bubble is TOO LONG
You can fly 1,000ly in 20-30 mins
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This is how I'd handle it
Every LY = 500-1000cr and 0.5 seconds.
Price can vary depending upon system security. Ill get into that in a moment. First lets give the lore I'd suggest using
At first ship transfer will be a group of NPC pilots who fly around and take ship transfer calls. They pick up your ship and bring it to you for a modest fee. If they have to travel through a lot of sketchy places like Anarchy or Low Security Systems the price might go up, and it will go up if they gotta pick it up from or deliver it to an anarchy or low security system.
When you order a ship transfer after a brief few seconds you will get a message
CMDR Captain Hooch - Your Vulture has been picked up from Potter Enterprises in Phraces and is on route to Long Sight Base in KHUN.
Now since thats about 159ly journey we divide that by half to about 80 seconds.
Now once that 80 second is up you'll get another message
CMDR Captain Hooch - We have arrived at Long Sight Base and are coming in for a landing, you'll have your ship soon CMDR.
At this point your ship will physically enter the instance and be labeled as something like [random worker name] Galactic Ship Transfer LLC, or [random worker name] Ship Haulers LTD
Now if at any point someone player or NPC wants to be a total cockwad and attack your ship the NPC flying your ship will have to make a choice to either land or fight or run depending upon how close to the pad they are and how dangerous the situation is getting.
This might slow things down a little if they still make it to the pad, but if they fight or run it could slow it down by a lot. There's even the possibility they will get your ship destroyed. IF that happens the timer starts all over again. DON'T WORRY THOUGH. You won't have to pay rebuy because the ship transfer company is insured. You'll just have to wait a little longer for them to replace your ship and fly it back to you.
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In a later update you could add in massive capitol ships that haul a lot of ships at once and have them spawn around the galaxy. These would be NPC only ships, but maybe when space legs comes out Player Pirates could hijack these.
How long do you think it took Jaques to reach where Jaques is?
How long do you think it would take for a ship/station equipped with a hyperdrive (not FSD), like Jaques, to travel a distance like Jaques did?
Would that amount of time change for that ship/station if there was a player's ship on board?
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