ROFL ... saviours of day ... ummm, LOL ... unbelievable, it's long time since I laughed too much after read thread here. It's truly amazing to see how big imagination some journalist (so called) have 
SDC Operation spicy-bois featured on kotaku and eurogamer
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Robert Maynard
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From memory there was a post from a Dev / Support, before the event started, informing SDC that heat meta was likely to be changed during 2.2 Beta.
I guess the articles missed that point - on being able to read the Eurogamer article, they didn't miss it - they quoted it.
Found it - it was on reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/51rw58/sdc_commences_operation_spicybois/d7edwc2):
frontier_support (on reddit) said:Before many credits are spent on outfitting your spicy ships, you should probably know that we've noted the feedback regarding heat weapons in PvP and this has been investigated between update schedules.
Hope this helps.
CMDR Sticks
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I got so much forum grief over having suggested SDC had something to do with bringing the heat issue to the forefront for FD. Saw those vids before. I don't mind the humour. Keep at it, I say
Someone made a comment on the kotaku Article that I would like to repeat here:
This unfortunately is very true. All the times when the community bands together and gets some awesome stuff going? Nothing. Major Saltmining - here you go, let's write an Article.....
Of course someone posted that the community is toxic - I can't get behind that I am afraid.
I was watching for a long time before becoming active on the forums and yes - there are very passionate discussions and people getting riled up because they believe that their own - and only their own - opinion is right.
However, in the same vein I have seen countless posts where the community shines. Example: one guy posted he was getting frustrated with his gameplay due to various reasons, he posted a very well written post, didn't rage, simply pointed out the things that frustrated him. The guys that answered his posts were really helpful, giving him tips, offering advice and even offering to wing up with him to make it more enjoyable.
But what always sticks with us are the posts where someone rage posts and everyone goes a bit snarky or aggressive when answering.
Point being is why are all the bad examples remembered while all the times when things work good they sink into the depths and are never seen again?
P.S. For my part I find the general community great and not toxic, there are just a few who always try to stir things up but hey, I guess that's life.
This unfortunately is very true. All the times when the community bands together and gets some awesome stuff going? Nothing. Major Saltmining - here you go, let's write an Article.....
Of course someone posted that the community is toxic - I can't get behind that I am afraid.
I was watching for a long time before becoming active on the forums and yes - there are very passionate discussions and people getting riled up because they believe that their own - and only their own - opinion is right.
However, in the same vein I have seen countless posts where the community shines. Example: one guy posted he was getting frustrated with his gameplay due to various reasons, he posted a very well written post, didn't rage, simply pointed out the things that frustrated him. The guys that answered his posts were really helpful, giving him tips, offering advice and even offering to wing up with him to make it more enjoyable.
But what always sticks with us are the posts where someone rage posts and everyone goes a bit snarky or aggressive when answering.
Point being is why are all the bad examples remembered while all the times when things work good they sink into the depths and are never seen again?
P.S. For my part I find the general community great and not toxic, there are just a few who always try to stir things up but hey, I guess that's life.
Exactly, there was. But then, it doesn't make for such a good story if these articles actually reflected reality.
Brett C
Frontier
Assuming that wasn't sarcasm... yes, indeed, there are many people in open.
Btw, to be fair, that article was good read and for someone like me not following all PvP meta in ED. Even role of SDC is questioned, yet they are mentioned as they should be.
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Yes, we are. Quite a lot too.
Arguably, there is not really any controversy around The Code any more (I'm still a tiny bit annoyed about the Mobius thing though, but that's just me). In that, I would say you have succeeded in representing Piracy in game as it is "meant" to be. (which reminds me that I have yet to buy that T6 and play pirate victim in game). What is missing now is making Piracy a more "meaningful" encounter for the trader as well. By that I mean something that the trader goes away from and afterwards thinks, "well that was fun". If you manage that and get rid of the "kill other players because it's fun" element I think you are getting somewhere. I have no idea how to achieve that though. I wonder if a demo event where you invite players to come in a Hauler to be pirated and see how you operate would work (probably not, too much animosity already there).
(I wonder if I have said something stupid now?)
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As I mentioned in a tweet yesterday, Sandro was aware of the imbalance and had a desire to address it when I spoke to him at Lavecon (June 16th)
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Robert Maynard
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To be fair to Eurogamer, they did show that reddit frontier_support post - the Eurogamer link was broken for me when I tried to read it initially.
And the whole reason being, of course, that the heat meta builds are the only thing that have been successful at thwarting the attacks of single SDC players. I remember a certain wizard crying and combat logging in a video not so long ago.. hell yeah, the SDC wanna nerf what can kill them
this.
Tough really, I'd prefer a team of competent internal testers that play the game at a high level giving the kind of feedback about these sorts of balance issues before they ever hit the live game. The fact that this sort of imbalance can happen and persist for MONTHS is to me the biggest take-away here. FDev needs to do a better job with internal testing (hire more testers? actually play the game at a high level rather than just inserting ideas?) and being responsive when balance changes that are breaking the game on a fundamental level are damaging the product and overall experience.
FDev can do better. We need to expect them to do so.
Did he give you the heat meta beta ETA?
They were even told during the beta that this was a problem and let it go live for those months until now which is even worse.
It takes time to implement changes
FD was already looking into it as they said the first reply in the SDC reddit thread.
SDC claimed that meant nothing, as they had little trust in FD.
SDC would do well to acknowledge they were wrong in that regard. But that takes an adult approach. Not holding my breath.
If SDC tries to sell this as their doing, other groups with issues might try the same.
FD can't give in to these actions for that reason.
Well done SDC. Had you done nothing, the result would have been the same. And since your objective was salt on the forum where none was to be found, well done indeed.
SDC claimed that meant nothing, as they had little trust in FD.
SDC would do well to acknowledge they were wrong in that regard. But that takes an adult approach. Not holding my breath.
If SDC tries to sell this as their doing, other groups with issues might try the same.
FD can't give in to these actions for that reason.
Well done SDC. Had you done nothing, the result would have been the same. And since your objective was salt on the forum where none was to be found, well done indeed.
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Disappointed with the Kotaku fluff piece, especially as they bandy the word Terrorism about like its a cool thing to do.
Terrorism is not nice, cool and trendy, it is the act of reprehensible extremists who have no interest than furthering their own view in the most murderous and blood thirsty ways possible.
Terrorism is not nice, cool and trendy, it is the act of reprehensible extremists who have no interest than furthering their own view in the most murderous and blood thirsty ways possible.
Not much different than around here when groups like The Code, who were doing legitimate piracy, would be compared to groups like ISIS and Al Qaeda and called terrorists. Also been called sociopaths, psychopaths, etc.