ED Gets Hammered on Reddit. Comment to Correct Misconceptions

[Shar]

Thank you for the link. I just added my constructive criticism - or hammering as you refer to it. Time to pile on some pressure and hopefully get a change of design leadership and direction. From PowerPlay to RNGneers this game has gone backwards and I have a responsibility as a KS backer, original elite player and a PvP-er to raise my voice against these failures. It is only fair that we reward success with praise and failure with criticism.
Fly safe Cmdr's. o7

Possibly over estimating you're importance, but i'm sure frontier will change direction for you as soon as they stop laughing.

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Well, it's nice to see one of these threads finally turn around. I was getting tired of all the white knightening.

Glad to you're happy about something.

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Too bad they've repeatedly shown to ignore anything other than praise.

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Because everything you disagree with or are actively ignoring is simply complaining. Odd how that works isn't it?

There is a difference between constructive and destructive thats as plain as the nose on your face.

 

[Sysmon]

Possibly over estimating you're importance, but i'm sure frontier will change direction for you as soon as they stop laughing.

Haha "possibly" hahaha... hehe... HAHHAHAHAHAHA.... hehee... *cough* Yes. It is amazing to see the sense of entitlement of some of the KS backers. Which I believe is rather common among Kickstarted games, and also what is ultimately wrong with the model.

A number of old saying comes to mind, including those starting with "too many cooks" and "too many chiefs". However, those sayings imply too many people being qualified to contribute to the development. As kickstarters, all we had to do is throw money at the project. And as far as I know, throwing money at something in itself never made anybody better at anything. Except maybe tossing money.

Reddit can fester on in its own corner online. 2.2 was the best beta we had in a long time, the additions to the game are rich, varied, and great improvements overall. There will be the usual hiccups going live (as we see), but those will be fixed eventually.

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[Wasp0]

No Mans Sky was the best thing that ever happened to ED. Loads of people came here from there. The longer SC takes to develop the more people will try out ED. Sooner or later, everyone that enjoys space sims will have played this game. It's not a problem. Haters gonna hate.

Rep sir. 100% agree with your statement. Haters....."Move along here nothing to see" (BTW wasn't 'No Mans Sky' the biggest media fraud this year? The hype that went with what was truly an awful awful game).

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

LOL.

Reddit is full of 'cocktail bar' gamers and primadonnas. Most of them are so heavily emotionally invested in SC they hate ED with passion. I am really surprised how leveled ED subreddit is these days.

As for whitekinighting and critics - some of those examples of "criticism" is mostly table flipping and threatening to leave/calling ED outdated/moaning about grind. If we take them face value, there's very little valuable criticism. As for 2.2 nagging issues - there are mixture of .0 bugs, design nerfs (Sothis) and nothing much else.

 

[ShoeHash]

Haha "possibly" hahaha... hehe... HAHHAHAHAHAHA.... hehee... *cough* Yes. It is amazing to see the sense of entitlement of some of the KS backers. Which I believe is rather common among Kickstarted games, and also what is ultimately wrong with the model.

A number of old saying comes to mind, including those starting with "too many cooks" and "too many chiefs". However, those sayings imply too many people being qualified to contribute to the development. As kickstarters, all we had to do is throw money at the project. And as far as I know, throwing money at something in itself never made anybody better at anything. Except maybe tossing money.

Reddit can fester on in its own corner online. 2.2 was the best beta we had in a long time, the additions to the game are rich, varied, and great improvements overall. There will be the usual hiccups going live (as we see), but those will be fixed eventually.

S

I would just like to add that Kickstarter is not the same as buying stock in a company. Which is something you can do, even on the internet! Amazing right? It's like kickstarting a game except you make money.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

They aren't really wrong however

They are wrong however. They can claim 'but SC will have so much more'. Problem is SC isn't a game and won't be - if ever - for long time. That's gamer entitlement shining try and it is not more prevalent as in reddit, because it has this tendency (due of private moderation) creating echo chambers.

 

[Barking_Mad]

this

Stopped playing ed some weeks/months after the wings update. Still waiting for a reason to play it again... what a disappointment for me and my group.

Not played in 19 months. Curious opinion to have.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

I went trough those subreddit threads and I have to say tone has changed considerably. Yeah, favorable opinions get mostly downvoted in /r/Games, in same time some very informative ones were upvoted quite well. Same old messages about 'not enough gameplay' or 'boring gameplay' are still raised, but more of context given.

It feels that initial hostility rubs off finally. Criticism is good, but toxicity that was against ED in /r/Games and /r/pcmasterrace just year ago was unpalatable.

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Not played in 19 months. Curious opinion to have.

This is prevalent position for player who simply don't care much to try ED again. Very easy position to maintain.

 

[Cypher2139]

Here is a critical comment from Reddit.

"Overzealous nerfs to smuggling, hauling, courier, and cargo missions serve no one but the '84 slide-rule forum dads. Instead it creates obstacles for new pilots, and disincentives for continuing pilots.

ED likes to measure itself against realism to a degree, so consider this. It makes no sense for most stations/outpost/planetary outpost to exist if they only hand out a mission or two at a time, and for a paltry profit. Were that the social and economic situation, the station would have never been built or would be out of business. Moreover, present day air, sea, rail, and truck haulage companies "stack" missions routinely. UPS or KLM could not make a profit if they only delivered one or a few items to your house or business, before going back for more.


Switching instances, then, was more than not-an-exploit. It was a necessary process for those using their time efficiently, and to make up for an error in how the developers designed the number of available mission and their payouts."


You can find the full thread here, https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/59b5ai/psa_profits_on_long_range_cargo/

Now argue the substance. FD needs feedback, not fanboys.

As a current ED player, that quote seems entire fair to me?

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

As a current ED player, that quote seems entire fair to me?

As far as tears for credits grinder who just want to abuse game mechanics to get faster to 'better' ships....yes. Doesn't mean we agree with him.

 

[Bran Tse Mallory]

Elite Dangerous is getting hammered on Reddit with skepticism and negativity. If you have an account please take some time to comment and correct misconceptions. Elite Dangerous still suffers from the first-impression people had when it was released and didn't have much content.

See all these posts.

Normal service for reddit then. Everything gets panned on Reddit, which in turn gets panned everywhere else for being a site that hosts some of the more degenerate subject on the web. It's a place that needs to be steered well clear of by any sane person.

 

[GunnerBill]

What's "Reddit"?

 

[foebits]

There is a difference between constructive and destructive thats as plain as the nose on your face.

That's true, however you made it seem like you were saying all of them were simply destructive. I will apologize.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

some of the complaints are certainly legitimate.... and ED is certainly not a perfect complete game.

I love what we have so far and look forward to getting more in the future, but, just as i dislike many games, despite accepting they are very good, just not for me,

I equally accept Elite D does only appeal to a certain set of gamers. There is nothing wrong with a game filling a niche. IF I was to try to persuade some people who dislike elite dangerous to like it, I suspect I would have no more luck than if someone tried to persuade me to like DOTA2 or Eve online.

All I do is try to tell people what kind of game ED is, as well as what kind of game it is aiming to be down the road as it develops, based off the dev diaries, DDF and interviews with the devs..... whether people are interested in that kind of game is up to them.

(equally i would not try to tell an burnout arcade race fan using a control pad that they must give iracing a go, or a call of duty player to play Euro Truck Simulator 2 either... different strokes and all that)

 

[zarrazee]

OP. 20 years ago I could waste hours trying to convince people that my opinion was "right". Now, I just can't be a*****. Also my opinion is just that, an opinion. If people don't like something, so be it. As my old sales trainer once said... "Some will like it, some won't. So what... next."

 

[xondk]

Elite Dangerous is getting hammered on Reddit with skepticism and negativity. If you have an account please take some time to comment and correct misconceptions. Elite Dangerous still suffers from the first-impression people had when it was released and didn't have much content.

See all these posts.

Like I said, ED suffers from the initial impression when it was released with little content. This is difficult to set right among skeptics. You don't have to comment though.

You and I have a _VASTLY_ different idea of hammered, a few hundred comment? that is not really anywhere near getting hammered, just some people talking, as people do, positive and negative.

Also this is the internet, if someone wants to listen to a random person saying random stuff, even lying about stuff, rather then you? there is little you can do to convince then otherwise if they simply do not believe what you've explained over someone else. Lies and whatnot, people trying to deliberately affect someone or a game negatively because they do not like it, is quite common, that doesn't mean that there is anything wrong with the game or person, falsehoods spread easily online.

The best you can do, is present your case and talk to those that actually give feedback to you, rather then talking to those that deliberately will try to derail threads or other stuff, or simply try to overwhelm with comments of negative nature to get threads closed because of personal attacks or such, heck it happens on this forum as well. People deliberately working to derail threads and such, but a few hundred comments on each does not make for a big issue. Unless you are saying that those 200 people are especially powerful or such? which is simply giving them way way way more credit then they are ever due.

 

[Ydiss]

Literally zero difference from here.

The only difference is the ratio of players who prefer realism over game play.

 

[sorcer3r]

Not played in 19 months. Curious opinion to have.

I played ED since beta and played Powerplay for a while and horizons for about 2 hours (took also a look at the mission Board and had already enough).
But if I missed some great changes for MP (like missions for Wings etc..) please tell me...

 

[DaveB]

Thank you for the link. I just added my constructive criticism - or hammering as you refer to it. Time to pile on some pressure and hopefully get a change of design leadership and direction. From PowerPlay to RNGneers this game has gone backwards and I have a responsibility as a KS backer, original elite player and a PvP-er to raise my voice against these failures. It is only fair that we reward success with praise and failure with criticism.
Fly safe Cmdr's. o7

You know what opinions are like - everybody has one and they all stink.

I fit into all those categories you claim for yourself except while I do enjoy PvP sometimes it's not ALL I do so I wouldn't call myself a PvPer... and you know what? My opinion is pretty much the exact opposite of yours. So, now that we've effectively cancelled each other out, how about getting back to the game? I enjoy it so I play it. If you do as well, please join me. Of course if your opinion of the game is really that negative you might not be either enjoying it or playing it, in which case you've said something about the position of authority you claim for your opinion, haven't you?

 

[GodBlock]

They have tweaked missions for wings yes