Special Treatment & Favouritism?

[Winterwalker]

Aww. Don't worry OP .. I think you're special !



I don't think it hurts, at all and is a good incentive to get involved with a group/the game
By the way, I have like a million tons mined .. where's my "miners do it with limpets" decal??

 

[Cosmos]

/slow clap

Clearly you do begrudge it.



I think you are being bitter, unpleasant, negative and jealous. Rather than wait for your turn to come and be pleased that others are happy, you would rather sabotage your own chances in short-sighted negativity.

I also think that this negativity is way more harmful than FD making gestures to small parts of the community sometimes.

You are keen to stop anyone else from getting nice things for doing anything positive, it seems. By extension, yourself included. Because every time FD try to do something special for people that's a bit unusual, people scream that it is not fair because they were not included. And FD will learn that although they made some people happy, some people raged and sulked, and the easiest way of preventing it in future is to not repeat the gesture, or expand upon it.

All you are doing is making FD gun-shy of broadening such gestures.

Remember when we had a CG that gave everyone a 30% discount for 3 days? It was awesome. And then some people who had not logged on or missed the deadline screamed the forums down how grossly unfaaaaaaaaiiiiir it was and whined for weeks like three year olds?

And we haven't had another one since. Because of the whiner.

So: Good work! Make a big enough fuss about this and nobody will get custom decals in future.

Or you could just accept that some people will get a shiny thing before you, be glad that there is the possibility of getting a shiny thing, and perhaps wait without complaint. Or maybe work for the shiny thing by doing something for the community. Because sometimes in life people get rewarded for doing positive things, and people who sit on the sidelines screaming and crying that it's not fair do not.

Wow.. Thats a pretty nasty personal attack. As a matter of fact I think in the case of custom decals every group should be able to have one, yours too.

I think you've missed the point.

 

[Siranui]

Can you name me another developer/game who does this?

My boss used to buy people bacon sandwiches for working late. In every aspect of life, people are rewarded with special favours and merits for being positive and doing things.

People get special bennies for doing well. People who do nothing but complain do not.

 

[dynamicbob]

This.

I don't see it as special treatment, just a little thank you to players or groups who contributed either to the community or to the game itself by creating events or content.

Wouldnt the community be better served by more tools to shape the galaxy in a wider array and more complex array of ways, this would free up developer time for important things

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Wow.. Thats a pretty nasty personal attack. As a matter of fact I think in the case of custom decals every group should be able to have one, yours too.

I think you've missed the point.

How bout an automated decal creation program where gropus can go in and create their own decals this would open up developer time for other things, and give all player groups access to the same decal creation and sharing mechanisms

 

[Winterwalker]

Wouldnt the community be better served by more tools to shape the galaxy in a wider array and more complex array of ways, this would free up developer time for important things

Hate to say this but I don't think the chief game programmers design the decals?

 

[dynamicbob]

My boss used to buy people bacon sandwiches for working late. In every aspect of life, people are rewarded with special favours and merits for being positive and doing things.

People get special bennies for doing well. People who do nothing but complain do not.

I named a few other groups, go back and reread the first page, it is quite common elsewhere

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Hate to say this but I don't think the chief game programmers design the decals?

Decal creation tools would open up the option to all players and player groups to create their own a much better idea ( and they could charge a small fee as an additional income source)

Tumbleweeds will blow on that one though

 

[Ian Phillips]

No comment, except < facepalm >.

 

[Cosmos]

No comment, except < facepalm >.

Thanks for that insightful and helpful comment. Do come back again if you want to contribute to the discussion.

 

[Winterwalker]

Decal creation tools would open up the option to all players and player groups to create their own a much better idea ( and they could charge a small fee as an additional income source)

It's possible I guess but would have to be an interactive vector design tool, otherwise you know the obscenities would be strong with this one. At the moment decals are cool because they're pretty rare and when a new one comes out it's more appreciated? This is why I don't know if decals should go on sale (maybe some) but they're more valuable because you have to earn them?

 

[edgar]

I think FD are most likely to support and reward the groups that have the furthest reach in terms of generating PR and sales.

For example, Canonn & the Fuel Rats have both attracted external media attention, which translates into sales for FD.

Other player groups maintain communities of streamers on Twitch and Youtube, and these also attract revenue for FD by promoting the game outside of the current playerbase.

However Player Groups with exclusively in-game presences, regardless of how effective or enthusiastic they are, will probably be less likely to be recognised with CGs or decals.

This makes sense from FD's perspective, because there will be a developer cost associated with creating decals and CG content, so it makes economic sense to keep the revenue-generating, PR-friendly groups happy with special treatment.

 

[dynamicbob]

Thanks for that insightful and helpful comment. Do come back again if you want to contribute to the discussion.

All im going to say is ive offered quite a few positive suggestions in my comments about how Fdev could make some money and open creationist decals to all players. In every potential issue there is always an opportunity

 

[Siranui]

Wow.. Thats a pretty nasty personal attack. As a matter of fact I think in the case of custom decals every group should be able to have one, yours too.

I think you've missed the point.

I consider your original post to be incredibly nasty. You asked what I thought. I told you: Selfish, short-sighted, bitter, jealous. Get a straight question; give a straight answer.

Maybe every day every group will have a custom decal. FD have not said they will not.

But they cannot have them all at once. Some people get them first. There needs to be a trial and an experimentation. Or at very least: It needs to be done in some kind of order. The obvious people to give it to first are those long-timers who serve the community. You are esentially making a fuss and saying that it is unfair, that they are nothing special, and if they have it, you deserve it too.

All you are doing is diminishing your own chances.

Just like if a supplier turns up with two bottles of wine at work, the boss would give one to whoever had helped out the most on the deal and keep one. As a co-worker at the side-lines, you can either accept it, or make a fuss and loudly complain to the entire office how unfair it was that Jonesy has wine and you do not. Next time a supplier brings two bottles, the boss would have probably given the bottle to someone else in the team and work around in turn, but thanks to 'stand on chair and scream' guy, the boss quietly puts it in his car, avoids the trouble and never shares free wine again.

I didn't miss the point at all: You asked a question. You got an answer. It's just that it is not an answer that you like.

What further shines ill light upon you is that you have already had this conversation - in private - with Zac. Instead of accepting it quietly and gracefully because you did not like the answer, you've come here and dragged up a soap-box to rouse a mob, transparently to re-open the issue and try to give yourself more ammunition by gathering support. You had a quiet word with the boss in the office about the wine thing, and because he said 'wait' or 'no' or whatever it was, you've come and stood on a chair in the break-room to complain.

 

[askavir]

Wouldnt the community be better served by more tools to shape the galaxy in a wider array and more complex array of ways, this would free up developer time for important things

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How bout an automated decal creation program where gropus can go in and create their own decals this would open up developer time for other things, and give all player groups access to the same decal creation and sharing mechanisms

While I would not be against such tools like decal or paintjob creators (although they might class with FD's business model of selling cosmetics - or not - it they had some kind of revenue share for selling user stuff), the discussion at hand is if FD's rewarding some people or groups who did very nice things for the game is unfair to the players who didn't. And my opinion is that it's not, some people went the extra mile by adding content, increasing the game outreach, creating community events, or taking part in special events (even without special tools), and they simply got some goodies for it as a "thank you".

Being miffed by it is just pettyness. Its not special treatment, favouritism, nor an evil, exclusive, divise, evil plotting by FD. It is just a nice thing from FD to people who did nice things to the game. Just that. Everything else is over-thinking it far too much.

 

[metatheurgist]

Obsidian Orbital was selected via poll, FD didn't pick the name. Lave Radio doesn't do anything for the group, it's just a fun bit of lore.

If you're going to talk bias, I think people who aren't in groups are the ones that have been treated like second class citizens. So, I'm just going to laugh at the idea of the privileged starting to fight over their privileges.

 

[dynamicbob]

I think FD are most likely to support and reward the groups that have the furthest reach in terms of generating PR and sales.

For example, Canonn & the Fuel Rats have both attracted external media attention, which translates into sales for FD.

Other player groups maintain communities of streamers on Twitch and Youtube, and these also attract revenue for FD by promoting the game outside of the current playerbase.

However Player Groups with exclusively in-game presences, regardless of how effective or enthusiastic they are, will probably be less likely to be recognised with CGs or decals.

This makes sense from FD's perspective, because there will be a developer cost associated with creating decals and CG content, so it makes economic sense to keep the revenue-generating, PR-friendly groups happy with special treatment.

Not entirely true. For sure large groups with external media attention do bring in new sales, twitch/youtube also keep interest and around patch time. But they remain about 3% of the player base, in terms of selling each expansion, and retaining player itnerest for the other 97%, creating automated tools and environmental shaping mechanisms that are automatic is a good way forward (decals, coffee mugs, paying to name planets and a host of other ideas are largely indepdant of large player groups and concentrated amounts of the 3%)

Id say give the special PR groups first preference but make sure u put a mechanism in place that those that follow can also access content.

Theres a discussion about early adaptors in technology making up 5%, then u have those that follow those the 10-15%, its the middle pack however that make the success of any tech product, and if u dont cater to them but the niche early adaptors you leave youreself open to less income and less success, apple are successful because they cater for a large cohort, blackberry failed because they catered for a niche and then took their eyes off the ball

the same could be seaid in this instance for a procedural tool that enables anyone to create their own paintjobs and other things, for a fee, automated process could generate a lot of income, it would seem the interest is there.

 

[DoctorDanny]

Im jealous too but damn, its just a crappy decal. No need to get all upset.

Why attack OP? His post is polite and he specifically states that he is not envious. If you don't agree either say so or just don't comment.

 

[Marc_Hicks]

Given that the Dangerous Games are the *only* Community Goals that paid out no credits, I think Decals are not completely unreasonable.

 

[dynamicbob]

Obsidian Orbital was selected via poll, FD didn't pick the name. Lave Radio doesn't do anything for the group, it's just a fun bit of lore.

If you're going to talk bias, I think people who aren't in groups are the ones that have been treated like second class citizens. So, I'm just going to laugh at the idea of the privileged starting to fight over their privileges.

This is the best way forward keep it open to as many as possible, those organisations that dont have any or have minimal group focus self interest, and instead keep it open to groups that serve widest community possible ( fuel rats, cannon, lave radio amoung others)

 

[bubbabenali]

Can you name me another developer/game who does this?

Digital Extremes with Warframe for example

 

[Ozric]

For example, Canonn & the Fuel Rats have both attracted external media attention, which translates into sales for FD.

Except for the fact that Canonn, who are quite possibly the oldest (certainly older the FR) of the player groups and have had a decal designed for well over a year now, still do not have one in the game.


There's nothing wrong with people voicing concerns they have and there's nothing wrong with FD encouraging groups to get more involved and spread the word wider, with the prospect of rewards. I think what most people who have beef with it, is the perceived difference in what you have to do to get something in game.