Special Treatment & Favouritism?

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Bomba Luigi

Bomba Luigi
Siranui said:
But there are already Decals for everybody, surely?
There are our wings, and there are occasional things like Pax decals, which anyone can click on a web page in order to get.
And 'everybody' could even get one of the existing 'group' decals *by joining the group*.
If it hurts so much that the Fuel Rats have a decal, maybe join the Fuel Rats?
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Yeah, the Rankings and the ones from the onienhead paintjob. Others I can't just get.

And I said now twice in both my post not sure how you missed it but I said that those groups getting decals is no problem. That only those groups are getting new decals is the problem. The average customer is worth something too, not sure why the average player shouldn't deserve getting some new decals.
 

Cosmos

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Theodrid said:
Personally speaking the decals don't bother me at all but some of the other points concerning group influence do. The direction of the game both in the here and now and the short and long term future should not in my opinion be overly influenced by x,y or z group(s).

Over saturation of game focus in terms of story direction, CG's, Galnet and more in relation to groups needs to be carefully monitored. There are certain groups in the Elite sphere that seem to have way too much game focus and limelight in my opinion, to the extent that certain elements of the community feel somewhat excluded both in terms of focus and gameplay elements. If these groups were just having their '15 minutes of fame' as it were then no problem, but it is more than that, it seems to be a constant focus that is overly influencing Elite Dangerous the game and carrying the favour of the developers.
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Succinctly put. Someone gets it :)
 
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Ziggy Stardust

Ziggy Stardust
vrseven said:
But Ziggy remember that CG that only made the huge weapons available to those that participated in it?
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No. The only weapon I'm carrying is my disarming charm. Don't always have the powerplant to power it though.

Guess what changed FDs mind when they said the decision was FINAL? Whining, and the OP is not whining here.
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I step away from terms like "whining". The OP is not whining here. Even included the possibility he might be wrong.

Storris said:
You think OP will be happy with a Tier1, when others are getting Tier8? 'Fairness' thread incoming...
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The Decalls For All CG, means everyone gets the same unlocked decals. But that's besides OP's point.
 

Schlack

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As a Dangerous Games competitor I think the Decal was a very nice reward, not only for the effort put into the games themselves but also the 1.5 years of effort put into the BGS that enabled our participation in the first place. I'm sure that many of the other groups would feel the same way.

This decal was not limited to our group but also included anyone who participated for us - including some of our competitors who signed up for us by accident - I'm looking at you Jane Turner!! The Decals are not exclusive and everybody had an opportunity to earn one to mark their participation.

They were not introduced quietly but were announced by FD some time ago (during or just after the games?). I hope FD find similar opportunities to reward others for their contributions to the game, story and gameplay
 

Ziggy Stardust

Ziggy Stardust
By the way, the OP also lists Obsidian Orbital, but wasn't that put up to vote?

edit: At least, I think can remember voting for the Goat name.
 
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Alex Brentnall

Alex Brentnall
It was hardly quiet. I mean it was all over the rise to power powerplay things. The initial Distant Worlds one was a bit of an unknown as was the Fuelrats one but by comparison these new ones came with a neon sign.


Personally I don't think it's bad, start with the most popular non-controversial factions that give lots of free publicity to FDev then slowly work down to the smaller, less well known player groups. Gotta start somewhere may as well be the ones that give you and the community the most benefit in kind.

Why we don't have powerplay/superpower decals I cannot answer :p

Edit: oh i'm 100 posts late, oops, did not see all those pages...
 
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Schlack

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vrseven said:
I see an Alliance decal. IF I join the Alliance, it would not be available to me when it is to others.
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Bit of a sore point actually, our decal is not quite the same as the one submitted, however we are happy enough that the other Alliance CMDRS who supported us during the games can sport it as an Alliance decal.

Ill take any bit of Alliance content generated actually!
 

vrseven

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Ziggy Stardust said:
No.
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Ok here is the CG details:

[h=3]TANTALUM FOR THE WYRD RAIDERS:[/h]LOCATION:
Gareth Edwards Park | WYRD
OBJECTIVE:
Deliver Tantalum
REWARD:
Huge Gimbaled Pulse Laser and Huge Gimbaled Burst Laser Unlocked

PROGRESS:
Tier 4/8
CONTRIBUTORS:
2660
END:
19 May 3302
STATUS:
FINISHED


DESCRIPTION:

Galactic News: Tantalum Appeal Extended
11 MAY 3302
The Wyrd Raiders have announced that their campaign for tantalum has been extended. A spokesperson for the organisation confirmed that this was to ensure targets would be met.

In a brief statement, the spokesperson said:

"We are extremely grateful for the support we have received so far. But it is clear that for this campaign to succeed, we will need to give pilots more time to source the tantalum we have asked for."

The campaign is now scheduled to end on the 19th of May 3302.

*****

Deliver Tantalum to Gareth Edwards Park in the Wyrd system to help the Wyrd Raiders meet their mysterious order


The Wyrd Raiders may not be widely known outside the Wyrd system, but for several years it has been one of the most successful commercial enterprises in its region of space, enjoying profitable relationships with an array of partners. Now the organisation has issued an appeal to the galactic community for help in compiling an order of tantalum for an unnamed party. A spokesperson for the organisation released a brief statement to the media:

“Ordinarily we would have no difficulty meeting an order of this kind, but given the relative urgency of the request we have decided to place an open order for the necessary materials. Naturally we will generously reward those who lend us their support.”

The spokesperson was asked to address rumours that the tantalum was in fact intended for a group of independent engineers, but she refused to be drawn on the subject:

“Our partners usually prefer to keep their identities private, since their transactions are often of a commercially sensitive nature.”

The Wyrd Raiders has promised to reward pilots who deliver tantalum to Gareth Edwards Park in the Wyrd system.

Tier 4:
AA Top 10 commanders - 6,750,000 + global awards
A Top 10% - 4,500,000 + global awards
B Top 25% - 2,700,000 + global awards
C Top 50% - 1,800,000 + global awards
D top 75% - 900,000 + global awards
E Top 99% - 400,000 + global
 

Siranui

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Theodrid said:
The direction of the game both in the here and now and the short and long term future should not in my opinion be overly influenced by x,y or z group(s).

...it seems to be a constant focus that is overly influencing Elite Dangerous the game and carrying the favour of the developers.
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Who is to say what 'overly influencing' is, though.
I think it obvious that just because FD is in a discourse with certain groups, it is not 'overly influenced' by them, because htat would require not only for us to know the details of the discourse (which we do not) but also assume that FD capitulate to them and are wrapped around their fingers.

That player groups have channels to discuss things is good. Jumping to the conclusion that it is bad because these groups have 'too much influence' is simply stating an unknown. And seeing as there is not an Adele Armada Eagle only available to them, I don't think they are having too much sway. :)

Everyone has a voice. Anyone can send a polite message to FD. That some people regularly have conversations with FD is not automatically a sign that they have magical powers of the game's direction. It does not mean they are more influential than the impact of a single, well written private email by a solo player. That is a mere supposition of bias in our own minds.

Just who are these groups who FD are 'overly focused' on?
 

Siranui

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vrseven said:
Ok here is the CG details:

TANTALUM FOR THE WYRD RAIDERS:


AA Top 10 commanders - 6,750,000 + global awards
A Top 10% - 4,500,000 + global awards
B Top 25% - 2,700,000 + global awards
C Top 50% - 1,800,000 + global awards
D top 75% - 900,000 + global awards
E Top 99% - 400,000 + global
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I don't seem to remember FD ever stating that only those who participated would get 'big guns'. It was always listed as a global reward that they would be unlocked. Global rewards means that everyone gets it.
A lot of people misunderstood the CG and its purpose, but that is not quite the same thing as FD buckling under demand.
 

Theodrid

Theodrid
Siranui said:
Who is to say what 'overly influencing' is, though.
I think it obvious that just because FD is in a discourse with certain groups, it is not 'overly influenced' by them, because htat would require not only for us to know the details of the discourse (which we do not) but also assume that FD capitulate to them and are wrapped around their fingers.

That player groups have channels to discuss things is good. Jumping to the conclusion that it is bad because these groups have 'too much influence' is simply stating an unknown. And seeing as there is not an Adele Armada Eagle only available to them, I don't think they are having too much sway. :)

Everyone has a voice. Anyone can send a polite message to FD. That some people regularly have conversations with FD is not automatically a sign that they have magical powers of the game's direction. It does not mean they are more influential than the impact of a single, well written private email by a solo player. That is a mere supposition of bias in our own minds.

Just who are these groups who FD are 'overly focused' on?
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For rather obvious reasons I would prefer to avoid 'naming names' but suffice to say that the influence is in plain sight both in game and on the forums. There is no doubt that certain players/groups do have the ear of the developers and/or community team way more than others. While I do not for a second expect that not to exist it is my opinion that it is maybe a little over the top, I love Elite Dangerous and I have a very firm liking for Frontier Developments, however, certain things have taken a direction that excludes large parts of the playerbase, that, is not, in my opinion, a good thing.
 

vrseven

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Siranui said:
I don't seem to remember FD ever stating that only those who participated would get 'big guns'. It was always listed as a global reward that they would be unlocked. Global rewards means that everyone gets it.
A lot of people misunderstood the CG and its purpose, but that is not quite the same thing as FD buckling under demand.
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I remember EXACTLY. FD even said the decision was FINAL. And they buckled to forum outrage.
 

Shar

Shar
Cosmos said:
I read somewhere that when people have lost the argument or can't make a valid counter argument they resort to personal attacks and ad hominem.

Scratch a lie, reveal the truth.
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You're mistaken there is no argument, just a petty statement masquerading as a thread. you're buthurt that you dont have a collection of stickers for you imaginary spaceship and seek validation, grow up.
 

Cosmos

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Siranui said:
As it was, it was incredibly negative and bitter, as well as resentful. You also revealed that you had already had a chat about FD about it in confidence but because the official answer was not one you liked, you are bringing it to the mob. That is not cool, either.
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As a matter of fact I wrote a rather long and critical piece which goes way beyond what I've written here and cut far more deeply into the management of the game. I've previously posted strong criticism of Frontier and at the time Zac asked me to get in touch with him first if I did have further concerns. So it was a matter of respect for Frontier that I did so. That resulted in the conversation we had and I like to think it was a productive discussion, and once again I'd like to say that I'm greatful he took the time to chat.

So its little to do with what you are suggesting and I've not broken any confidence. Zac thoroughly understands my position but we happen to disagree over this. But whats that got to do with raising the issue for discussion on the forums?

When you've paid me for a game I produce and create then by all means feel free to make personal criticisms but until then lets keep to the issue hey.. ;)
 
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