Quite likely.. It looks like the heckler's veto is in full swing here.
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Special Treatment & Favouritism?
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Quite likely.. It looks like the heckler's veto is in full swing here.
Shar, let me level with you, Cosmos and I have had many, many run ins in the past, we are literally arch enemies, Tweetie Pie and Sylvester, (obviously Cosmos is Tweetie Pie in that scenario
), that kind of thing. I've been sure to read and re-read the OP on several occasions to check it's tone. I'm not sure why some of you are attacking Cosmos so much for raising a valid concern of his, (and others), in what is a very reasonable way. There is no hate or vitriol in his OP, the tone is reasonable and explained, there are some frankly bizarre defensive reactions going on amongst those who disagree with the OP, a disagreement on the issue is fine and understandable, but some of the name calling is downright uncalled for.
Sheesh, the nastiness towards the OP in this thread is actually crazy.
When OP starts being accused of "pseudo communism" and being called a "crybaby" you know they've really touched a nerve. Mods piling on with trollish, non-contributive comments too, very classy (not)
What's so tough for people to understand? It's not that mere fact that FD seem to reward certain groups over others that is the issue, its the lack of transparency in what qualifies to attract the attention of Senpai in the first place.
If the criteria to attract the hand of God to create bespoke content (such as CGs or decals) is a hidden value, I think that's a problem. If a media article is needed to spark interest, FD should admit that. If it's just a case of who's nagged Zac the most, then FD should be open about that too.
The nasty comments here about the OP being jealous make the posters sound very fragile and emotionally threatened. What's wrong with wanting consistency in how FD treat their customers?
I think everyone needs to chill out here as it is getting rather emotive.
I get the point Cosmos is making but I don't necessarily agree. The fact that Zac has been happy to discuss the issue with you (Cosmos) is indicative that they are pretty open in their communications, even if they didn't necessarily see your point of view (I wasn't party to the conversation so can't say for certain). A lot of other firms would have just blanked you.
I am pretty sure I read that anyone can suggest CGs (eg the Walter CG), just like news articles can be submitted.
There will always be some players with higher profile than others due to them doing YouTubes or whatever. I don't begrudge them that, and if I had the time I too would be pushing a lot more content online.
IMO Frontier (and especially their community team) do a great job keeping as many of the player base engaged with their streams, giveaways, etc. I think we shouldn't be taking them quite so for granted.
I kind of see what the OP is talking about. But what I don't see is how giving out a few decals and naming a station necessarily means that FD are inevitably heading towards giving gameplay advantages/benefits to community contributors. If FD had given a player faction an exclusive modded ship with extra hardpoints or free ship rebuys or a load of free credits I would understand, but but the rewards they've given out so far are just cosmetic. I see where you're coming from, OP, but I don't know how you extrapolated your doom scenario of FD handing out gameplay-changing acts of favouritism and unfair advantages from that.
Now this is disingenuous. Do you really think people like the Lave Radio team or the Distant Worlds crew started doing what they're doing merely to curry favour with FD? They did it because they love the game and want to contribute. Making a podcast is hard work; you'd have to be motivated by something other than sycophancy to even think about it, and the DW expedition was a really cool unique event. Their work benefits the whole community - and a few cosmetic rewards don't change anybody else's gameplay. Yes, you've said you don't care about the decals, but based on that there's no reason to believe that FD are ever going to do what you suggest they will.
That's quite an allegation. What evidence do you have for this?
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When OP starts being accused of "pseudo communism" and being called a "crybaby" you know they've really touched a nerve. Mods piling on with trollish, non-contributive comments too, very classy (not)
What's so tough for people to understand? It's not that mere fact that FD seem to reward certain groups over others that is the issue, its the lack of transparency in what qualifies to attract the attention of Senpai in the first place.
Cool, mention by-proxy.
OP hasn't asked for consistency. He's asked for those who FDev consider to have made significant contributions to the world of Elite and to the propagation of the game within its own community, to be ignored, or better yet for OP, for everyone else to receive the same 'recognition'.
I know for a fact he's not asking for the relevant 'I Did Sod All' decals, so what in practical terms does he want?
As has been stated, the methods by which recognition for superior service is gained aren't hidden. OP knows what to do, he's just chosen to do something else. As with so much in Elite, player choice is key.
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I wonder if the OP would share some evidence of how some groups close to ED are getting preferential treatment. Galnet, CGs, decals, whatever?
I'm a hicksville nomad and rarely venture up to the big city. Most of the time I can't even tell which group is in the cross hairs from just an acronym.
If there truly is evidence of a cabal, inner circle, or illuminati; presenting it dispassionately might give disagreeing viewers an insight into what is being suggested?
I'm a hicksville nomad and rarely venture up to the big city. Most of the time I can't even tell which group is in the cross hairs from just an acronym.
If there truly is evidence of a cabal, inner circle, or illuminati; presenting it dispassionately might give disagreeing viewers an insight into what is being suggested?
Sheesh, the nastiness towards the OP in this thread is actually crazy.
When OP starts being accused of "pseudo communism" and being called a "crybaby" you know they've really touched a nerve. Mods piling on with trollish, non-contributive comments too, very classy (not)
What's so tough for people to understand? It's not that mere fact that FD seem to reward certain groups over others that is the issue, its the lack of transparency in what qualifies to attract the attention of Senpai in the first place.
If the criteria to attract the hand of God to create bespoke content (such as CGs or decals) is a hidden value, I think that's a problem. If a media article is needed to spark interest, FD should admit that. If it's just a case of who's nagged Zac the most, then FD should be open about that too.
The nasty comments here about the OP being jealous make the posters sound very fragile and emotionally threatened. What's wrong with wanting consistency in how FD treat their customers?
Actually, there is a lot of transparency on what the decals are being rewarded for. But it's not FD's responsibility to personally spell it out for everyone who is not willing to inform himself/herself.
There have been no hidden values. It was a clear competition. 5 groups qualified through their work in the BGS. Another 5 groups would be chosen based on popular vote and 1 of them would join the other 5 in the final competition.
All 10 of the aforementioned groups would get a decal.
There is nothing that qualifies as a lack of transparency. If people expect to be provided with a personal message explaining what's what 4 months after the event, then I'd say that's a serious entitlement issue there.
And frankly, being accused of being favorited by FD after qualifying with over 1,5 year of daily BGS work and monitoring is an insult in itself. And it insults much more than 1 person who made a thread. If people are so quick to attribute everything to "favouritism" and nothing to merit, then the whole discussion is pointless.
This thread is reaching tin foil hat levels of speculations and assumptions.
Shar, let me level with you, Cosmos and I have had many, many run ins in the past, we are literally arch enemies, Tweetie Pie and Sylvester, (obviously Cosmos is Tweetie Pie in that scenario
I take you're point the fact that you are his arch enemy and are defending him prove you're integrity, I will say no more...........:x unless i'm prevoked.
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Instant access to Founders World, extra ships, early access to betas etc.
To respond to the sincerity of the OP, which is not in doubt:
I may be misunderstanding, but it seems that you yourself have had direct communication with FDev regarding the game's development. That is quite something; it shows they are willing to pay attention to individual concerns, as well as to engage with player groups.
My own observation, so far, is that FDev respond most favourably to player groups who bring the community together in a positive way. DWE, the Hutton Truckers, the Fuel Rats, Buckeyball Racers, and so on. I don't see this as innately bad. Groups like the Code [currently residing in the 'where are they now' file] and the SDC also get attention, so it's not limited to pink and fluffiness. However, David Braben in particular is very keen on positive community activities, so rewarding groups who organise such events underlines the direction favoured by FDev, not the other way around.
I'm not of the mindset that 'everybody should get a prize or nobody should', but that is just my outlook. I put serious time into this game, but it's mostly just pleasing myself. Organising events takes considerable time and effort, and it is entirely voluntary. If people can be bothered to enrich the community, then give them a sticker already.
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I may be misunderstanding, but it seems that you yourself have had direct communication with FDev regarding the game's development. That is quite something; it shows they are willing to pay attention to individual concerns, as well as to engage with player groups.
My own observation, so far, is that FDev respond most favourably to player groups who bring the community together in a positive way. DWE, the Hutton Truckers, the Fuel Rats, Buckeyball Racers, and so on. I don't see this as innately bad. Groups like the Code [currently residing in the 'where are they now' file] and the SDC also get attention, so it's not limited to pink and fluffiness. However, David Braben in particular is very keen on positive community activities, so rewarding groups who organise such events underlines the direction favoured by FDev, not the other way around.
I'm not of the mindset that 'everybody should get a prize or nobody should', but that is just my outlook. I put serious time into this game, but it's mostly just pleasing myself. Organising events takes considerable time and effort, and it is entirely voluntary. If people can be bothered to enrich the community, then give them a sticker already.
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You're complaining about decals? BTW, Distant Worlds was a remarkable achievement shared by hundreds of players and it generated interest and enthusiasm all over inhabited space. Why not give them I mean us a decal?
Kickstarter backers were given in-game "thank you's", depending on their contribution level. One of those (for generous backers) was the opportunity to name stations and systems.
I don't listen to Lave radio myself, but lots of people do, so why shouldn't they have a Sidey? They're usually free anyway.
You want a decal? Do something special to get noticed and get others to join you. Blaze your own trail (or join someone else's).
That particular perk was a Kickstarter reward for backing at £150
So far there has been the Cobra Mk4 which was a pre-order bonus for Horizons that remains an exclusive.
Premium beta only applied pre launch, anyone that buys into beta now gets it at the same time
FD's favouritism can be bought!
Yes. You have it wrong. Everyone could participate. Everyone could join the Games. Everyone can do content and add ti the game. If you do, you will get rewarded.
There even are player group CGs. And there are even pilots that have part of player group content as their background story.
1 group has a power. 20 have decals. The others... well ... just get bigger and more.
I dont have a cutter and will never have one. Not everything is for everyone.
If memory serves correctly I believe Frontier chose certain groups to participate. The reason others were included later on is a question you might wish to consider
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It's pretty much obligatory to give rewards to Kickstarter backers - it's hardwired into the Kickstarter process, and these days I'd say giving pre-order bonuses is standard practice. But this isn't what the OP is talking about (although I don't agree with what he is talking about)
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