Feds forcibly occupy Maia, repeatedly bully Palin, why do people support them in the CG???

[subhouse07]

I hardly see fighting pirates as "bullying". Pirates are universally being hanged by ANY military in the world.

Not saying they're bullying the pirates, they're bullying Palin. They chased him out of the Bubble and now they're parked on top of his base. Honestly I couldn't care less about the Ant Hill Mob. It just so happens they are the current opposing force to the major invading superpower. IMO neither the feds nor imps have any business being there, so if there is a move to push them out I will help out. I don't think helping the Ant Hill Mob equates to helping the imperials as they don't actually have a role in this particular conflict. Notice there are no Imp cap ships hanging around Maia? Though the Ant Hill Mob yelled for help from the imps they're aren't helping. The conflict zones are feds vs ant hill security. So like I said NOT AN IMP VS FED CONFLICT. (Sorry exiton for pinning all this extra stuff onto my response to ya) That is why I dont get that the response to "why are you helping the feds?" Is "because the imperials." They aren't there! If you wanna fight imperials go to the other Pleiades systems that they occupied or the other conflict zones in Maia and fight em there, because as of now its just a pillage job against Ant Hill Mob who are only trying to defend their system.

 

[Bomba Luigi]

Feds aren't perfect but when hell breaks out they can handle it.

 

[Divine Cerinian]

Not saying they're bullying the pirates, they're bullying Palin. They chased him out of the Bubble and now they're parked on top of his base. Honestly I couldn't care less about the Ant Hill Mob. It just so happens they are the current opposing force to the major invading superpower. IMO neither the feds nor imps have any business being there, so if there is a move to push them out I will help out. I don't think helping the Ant Hill Mob equates to helping the imperials as they don't actually have a role in this particular conflict. Notice there are no Imp cap ships hanging around Maia? Though the Ant Hill Mob yelled for help from the imps they're aren't helping. The conflict zones are feds vs ant hill security. So like I said NOT AN IMP VS FED CONFLICT. (Sorry exiton for pinning all this extra stuff onto my response to ya) That is why I dont get that the response to "why are you helping the feds?" Is "because the imperials." They aren't there! If you wanna fight imperials go to the other Pleiades systems that they occupied or the other conflict zones in Maia and fight em there, because as of now its just a pillage job against Ant Hill Mob who are only trying to defend their system.

Because between feds and pirates, I'll take the feds any day. Always despised ant hill mob for taking controlof what was originally supposed to be a scientific research system.

 

[subhouse07]

Because between feds and pirates, I'll take the feds any day. Always despised ant hill mob for taking controlof what was originally supposed to be a scientific research system.

Yeah a little weird it worked out that way haha.

 

[Loskene]

Yeah a little weird it worked out that way haha.

Is that one of the player factions frontier just magicked into control of whatever system they asked for, instead of dropping them in at 0% influence and letting them work for it like large clans are supposed to be able to do? Always thought that was an absolute plonker move.

 

[Poseidal]

At the end of the day I don't want to see men and women in chains shepherded through the streets of planet Earth in the year 3302, which is what would happen if the Empire ever carried the day.

What's that...?

'Are the alternatives better', you say?

YES, OF COURSE THEY ARE.

Earth is the home for the rich and famous. The Federation keeps their slaves in the outer systems, out of sight and view of the voting (>median wage) public.

 

[Furinkazan]

Which is why I support the Alliance.

-Pv-

There's an Alliance?

Seriously though, the Alliance is a complete nonentity. It's like voting for the Green Party.

 

[Nomadski]

Federation: corporate enslavement, corruption up to the top, Atari 2600 inspired ships.

Empire: literal enslavement, corruption up to the top, iPhone inspired ships.

Pick your poison.

That's why i support the Feds! Well that and the fact they don't treat humans like cattle.

Also, SOL = Feds, everyone else is a splitter. The Ant Hill Mob need to just accept the situation, denounce any Imperial ties and embrace the Glorious Federation (and make sure it pays its taxes).

 

[subhouse07]

Is that one of the player factions frontier just magicked into control of whatever system they asked for, instead of dropping them in at 0% influence and letting them work for it like large clans are supposed to be able to do? Always thought that was an absolute plonker move.

I don't think it's a player faction even. I think FD just put a pirate faction there instead of a group of nice guys or scientists...for some reason.

 

[Poseidal]

That's why i support the Feds! Well that and the fact they don't treat humans like cattle.

Also, SOL = Feds, everyone else is a splitter. The Ant Hill Mob need to just accept the situation, denounce any Imperial ties and embrace the Glorious Federation (and make sure it pays its taxes).

They do treat humans like cattle. The whole imagery around them is that of being impersonal and people being numbers to sell things to and pay taxes - things like the serial number on Federal stations rather than the station names on Independent, Imperial and Alliance stations.

With the Imperials, they care enough to make you a slave, and make you as a human humiliated by working to someone's whim - the importance being the emphasis on being human, which is a big thing in the Empire. The Federation couldn't care less.

 

[CMDR StackOfCups]

There is no coalition. FD have engineered something that has damaged the reputation of an Independent state and brought about the guaranteed occupation of Federal forces. The Ant Hill Mob are not aligned with the Empire and neither have they asked for their help at any stage, because it is listed as Imperial Pilots, a lot of Independent pilots won't come to their aid.

Ya I hope that FD worked with Ant Hill Mob (becuse I'm pretty sure it's Obsidian Ant's right?) on how the mob wanted to handle this.

 

[Vasious]

Is that one of the player factions frontier just magicked into control of whatever system they asked for, instead of dropping them in at 0% influence and letting them work for it like large clans are supposed to be able to do? Always thought that was an absolute plonker move.

Ant Hill Mob was not a player group magiced into control fo Maia

 

[Alric]

When you're talking about technology that could have a profound strategic influence on the whole of humanity, you don't leave anything to chance.
We already have escalating tensions between human powers and strong evidence that aliens are close. Someone is going to take that technology and if making sure it's the Federation not a gang of pirates takes some "bullying", then deal with it.

 

[Cosmos]

Yes, I understand fully the decadent empire has its problems with inequality and caste status that require these rather drastic solutions to begin with, but no system of governance is perfect, and they seem to be doing a better job than the Federation, as our main point of comparison. Their alternative to indentured servitude is imprisonment or execution by the state, or a life in exile in the criminal underworld as a real true-to-the-name slave. I'd ask again which sounds like a better option for the down and out individual who can't catch a break. I can't speak for the Alliance, I haven't spent much time in their space myself, but they don't have as much influence as the big two so I don't really bother trying to size them up.
I admit my position is one of frank pragmatism but such is the way of the galaxy today. It ain't perfect but it's the one we've got.

Its an interesting concept.

The difference of course is that the Imperials have a responsibility to look after their slaves, house, cloth and feed them etc. I also believe a slave can work themselves out of it after a certain period. Yet in the scheme of things those in low paid, lousy jobs with no security are also slaves in that they are forced to sell themselves (their labour) rather than what they produce. Just like the present world there is little difference between that and chattle slavery only with the illusion of freedom.

The difference is the Feds will let people starve to death where the Imperials won't. Not saying either ideal but I like the prestigue of the Empire and generally speaking its honest in a sense no one is being fooled. That can't be said for the filthy feds hehe.

But yeah I don't quite understand why people don't support the Empire more, they certainly like their ships.. All made with Imperial slave labour no doubt. I wonder if folks who object to slavery would boycott Imp ships? Perhaps a little hypocritical to cruise around in a Cutter and dump on the Empire for having slaves.

 

[Ziljan]

OP do you believe every propaganda that you read?

I went to Palin this week after reading that (apparently bogus) article claiming that ships weren't being allowed to reach Palin's research center.

Pure propaganda. I landed there just fine with no interference from anyone except one human player in an imperial ship who interdicted me and then fled the moment they realized my ship was fully armed and quite deadly.

 

[Poy]

More likely stab them in the back, such is the Imperial way.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha !
Yeah, the "Imperial" way, as everyone knows, like that time the "Empire" stabbed their ally Mahon in the back so hard that he ended up with -5899 CC ?

Yeah, the "Empire" is a very well known backstabber !

You guys are pathetic with your constant lying. And the worse part is everyone's buying it ! Like the Federal fact that Imperial slaves are just as badly treated as slaves in Federal space while in fact they're (supposed to be, by law) treated just like any worker, under contract, and remunerated...

You guys are the master of propaganda, I'll give you that...

 

[Adryn Bliss]

Current administrations and their decisions don't always reflect the underlying ideals of the federation but it's those ideals I stand by.

 

[subhouse07]

When you're talking about technology that could have a profound strategic influence on the whole of humanity, you don't leave anything to chance.
We already have escalating tensions between human powers and strong evidence that aliens are close. Someone is going to take that technology and if making sure it's the Federation not a gang of pirates takes some "bullying", then deal with it.

I really don't think The Ant Hill Mob has any interest in technology or the whole of humanity. Pirates tend to be a little more short sighted than that.

OP do you believe every propaganda that you read?

I went to Palin this week after reading that (apparently bogus) article claiming that ships weren't being allowed to reach Palin's research center.

Pure propaganda. I landed there just fine with no interference from anyone except one human player in an imperial ship who interdicted me and then fled the moment they realized my ship was fully armed and quite deadly.

I'm parked there right now as well. I dont believe much of what I read which is why I dont think there's any noble reason to support the Federation or Imperial occupation of the Pleiades. But the question is do YOU believe every piece of propaganda you read. It comes from many sources!

 

[Vasious]

OP do you believe every propaganda that you read?

I went to Palin this week after reading that (apparently bogus) article claiming that ships weren't being allowed to reach Palin's research center.

Pure propaganda. I landed there just fine with no interference from anyone except one human player in an imperial ship who interdicted me and then fled the moment they realized my ship was fully armed and quite deadly.

The Feds did have a Cap ship Parked over Palin's Research base, but that was a month ago well before this conflict.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/294258-Farragut-parked-over-Palin

I am wondering about Gal Net

The Federation isn't blockading Palin, there was a ship there but it was the usual Capital Ship No Fly Zone enforcement whilst it was there but it was more likely being outfitted with something from Palin than blockading him.

Then We have this conflict spun as a Federation vs Empire conflict, when the Ant Hill Mod are an Independent Anarchy that took over Obsidian orbital .

The Merope Expeditionary Force is in Maia but not involved in the conflict with the Federation....

This is clearly anti-Federal Propaganda, and I say that as a pro-Imperial, who called for the conflict with the Federation in the Pleiades to prevent them from gaining a monopoly over the Barnacle sites.

 

[subhouse07]

The Feds did have a Cap ship Parked over Palin's Research base, but that was a month ago well before this conflict.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/294258-Farragut-parked-over-Palin

I am wondering about Gal Net

The Federation isn't blockading Palin, there was a ship there but it was the usual Capital Ship No Fly Zone enforcement whilst it was there but it was more likely being outfitted with something from Palin than blockading him.

Then We have this conflict spun as a Federation vs Empire conflict, when the Ant Hill Mod are an Independent Anarchy that took over Obsidian orbital .

The Merope Expeditionary Force is in Maia but not involved in the conflict with the Federation....

This is clearly anti-Federal Propaganda, and I say that as a pro-Imperial, who called for the conflict with the Federation in the Pleiades to prevent them from gaining a monopoly over the Barnacle sites.

Every day my suspicions that there's a conspiracy within the pilots federation grow bigger and bigger....or the editors of galnet are just making stuff up as they go...[where is it]